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In this compelling episode of London Real, host Brian Rose sits down with Tommy Robinson, a controversial figure known for his outspoken views on Islamic extremism and immigration in the UK. Robinson shares his journey from growing up in Luton, a town he describes as a microcosm of Britain's broader issues, to founding the English Defence League (EDL) in response to what he perceived as unchecked extremism and grooming gangs. He discusses his transition from activism to journalism, highlighting his investigative work on grooming gangs and the systemic failures he believes have allowed these issues to persist. Robinson also reflects on the personal costs of his activism, including legal battles, imprisonment, and the impact on his family.

Throughout the conversation, Robinson addresses the challenges of free speech, media bias, and political correctness, arguing that these factors have contributed to a culture of silence around sensitive issues. He shares his experiences with state persecution and media manipulation, including a high-profile confrontation with the BBC's Panorama. Despite the controversies surrounding him, Robinson remains steadfast in his mission to expose what he sees as the truth, calling for a cultural and political awakening in Britain. The episode concludes with Robinson's plans for a large-scale free speech event in London, aimed at uniting people across the UK in a stand against what he perceives as the erosion of British values.

[00:00:00] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Some of the best people I've met in my life are Muslim. Some of the people I love are Muslim. That doesn't change the problems that come from the Islamic culture and community.   We acted as a safe haven for terrorist groups, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizbak Tahir, all the groups that are prescribed and banned by The UAE and Islamic countries are given a place in Britain.   Drug dealing, the heroin dealing, the pimping of young girls, the grooming, they were confined to towns like Luton. They're not now. They're widespread across the country, and people can see them in their own towns. I'd grown up in that environment. So 02/2004,   I organized 200 lads, and I've done it barefaced.  

We've got a deal with Eisel. They're outside our bakery in our town center recruiting for terrorists. That was the start of the English defense league. And you ended up leaving the EDLY.  

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By 02/2014,  

[00:00:48] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I was put in jail, and there was these groups, Northwest Infidels, absolute scumbag chair, proper Nazis, proper racist little mugs, and I'd had had clashes with them for years. By the time I come out of jail, I watch the demonstrations I've I've missed, and I see them all there. I realized that what I need the public to see   is what I've seen. Rape after rape, extremism after extremism, terrorism after terrorism. That's when you became a journalist. And I've become the most watched journalist in Europe. I was covering stories   that no one else would. I produced panorama.  

It had 2,000,000 views in twenty four hours. I was deleted from everything. What I wasn't ready for was the state persecution. They've wanted to set an example, to send a message to everyone else, but it's backfired   because I'm a stubborn little shit. And my last prison sentence was for making a film. I got all the proof that the whole court system is corrupt. The whole judiciary is corrupt. You showed it in Chicago Square, and they put you in jail. I said to the kids, I wanna play the film. Dad's gonna go jail. I want their permission to do it. I explained that I have to I feel I have to do it. I've gone through this life for fifteen years. Everything we've all seen. My my kids lived in eight houses.   House is being smashed up, cars being smashed up. My kids were there when people come up, suddenly stick holes in you. My son after that, when we walked down the street, we had panic attacks on top. And he was about nine. So, yeah.  

So then I played the film.   My son come on a visit and said, dad, it's on a 140,000,000 views, dad. We've we've done it. I was like, yes. And when Elon Musk shared it, I'm this January,   I've rung home. So I was like, dad.   And I'm ringing. I'm like, what? What? He goes, Elon Musk just pinned free Tommy Robinson. He shared the film. In that first week in January, I sort of relaxed because I knew it was worth it. You have an event coming up September 13 in London. This is gonna be the biggest thing around the scene. And you said bring your family, bring your kids. I'll get shown love everywhere I go now, so change is coming. To people who are upset, to people who feel alienated alone, you're not alone, man. You're the majority. Change is coming. They can't stop it.  

[00:02:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

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This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Tommy Robinson, the citizen journalist, political activist, and vocal critic of Islamic extremism in The UK.   Over the past decade, you've become one of the most recognizable and polarizing figures in Britain, known for your uncompromising views on immigration, radicalization,   and the institutional cover ups involving grooming gangs across the country.   You're the creator of the rape of Britain, an investigative documentary series that accuses local councils, police forces, and media outlets of ignoring or enabling the systematic exploitation of vulnerable children.   The project has reignited national debate around free speech, press freedom, and the accountability of public institutions.  

Your activism has led to arrests, legal challenges, and bans from major platforms, something we've also experienced here at London Real. While some see you as a whistleblower confronting uncomfortable truths, others accuse you of fueling division and spreading extremist rhetoric. You said in the past that Islam itself is the root cause of much of this extremism,   but when I spend time in places like The UAE and cities like Dubai, I see something very different. An Islamic based culture and government that promotes safety, traditional values, and an anti woke ethos   without the problems you highlight in Britain.  

Today, I wanna discover   who is Tommy Robinson   and ask what your story exposes about the growing crisis in Britain,   Europe, and now The United States, the spread of extremism, the collapse of institutional trust, and the systematic erosion of free speech in so called democratic societies.   Tommy,  

[00:06:12] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

welcome to London Real. It's good to be here.  

[00:06:15] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

We're gonna have a lot to talk about. I feel like this was always gonna happen, and I'm really glad it's happening. So thank you.   I think we should start from the beginning. I want to hear about what it was like to grow up in Luton in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties and February   Because I think that without understanding that,   no one understands   who you are or your political views or even your activism today.  

[00:06:38] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

And I also think that where the public have shifted,   the problems that I spoke about growing up as a child and when I started talking about the problems in Luton,   they were confined to towns like Luton. Right. They're not now. They're widespread across the country Right. And people can see them in their own towns. So then they're realizing, damn,   many of the things we spoke about which we were called lies for, fear mongering, or exaggerations   like the rape gang scandal, We were talking about that for twenty years and no one wants to believe us. Now they realize we were telling the truth. But just so that any of your viewers understand, I I was born in 1982.   Lew Lewton Lewton.  

We don't pronounce our t's in Lewton. But Lewton is 30 miles north of London. Okay? It's a working class town. It's labeled as probably the one of the roughest towns in Britain. It's a lot of poverty. But when I was born in 1982, we had one mosque. We now are 45.   Yeah? So and Luton   Luton? Sound posh, ain't that? Luton is a blueprint for every town and sea. Okay? The demographic will change to Luton, the problems that come in Luton, they're gonna go on in every town and sea. And that's what we've been trying to warn about. So Luton today is your town tomorrow. You can ignore it if you want, but it's coming. You can move out of looting if you want, just come in there in ten years. Yeah? The demographic   change in this nation,   which has been accelerated   through mass immigration, open border immigration, weak cowards as government, no one willing to address this issue, Even now, Nigel Farage won't address it. He doesn't care about the demographic or change to the country. So he doesn't care if white English become a minority or white English are a minority in Lewin. And as I said, it's a blueprint. But so you understand growing up and I wanna make something clear.  

You spoke you spoke about The United Arab Emirates.   Just so people   understand, some of the best people I've met in my life are Muslim. Some of the people I love are Muslim. Yeah. Luton,   growing up at school, some of those wonderful and best people I've ever met, yeah, are Muslim.   That doesn't change the some of the problems that come from the Islamic culture and community. Doesn't change it. So some people try and argue, oh, yeah. But my kebab shop worker or the tax drive ad was a lovely bloke. That doesn't prove Islam's gonna be good. Okay? That so the changes you see when you when I grew up, when I went to my junior school, it was different. But when I went to high school in our area of Luton, we had buses full of Pakistani Muslims being brought up to the high school. Yeah? Now Luton my mom was an Irish immigrant to Luton. When my mom come, it was no blacks, no dogs, no Irish. That was what was on the that's that's what that was the shops. Yeah. The Irish community were in one area of the town and then there was the Muslim community   and there was but the Muslim community compared to all the other communities,   there was no integration or assimilation. And I only realized this when I went to high school. Because when I went to high school,   we had   solutions, Jamaicans, Bulgarians, Italians,   Indians,   so Sikhs, Chinese. We had everyone, every son of every immigration.  

But straight away at school,   the Muslims were just all together.   For example, you had the Muslim playground and the non Muslim playground. It Lewton's division was never through race because white and black was like this. Yeah? Lewton has a   as a youngster, I was   elevated towards the football hooligan scene in Lewton. As a young working class kid, I went to football and lads would meet up on a Saturday and have a boisterous day out of the football. But Luton's football hooligan hooligan element was very diverse. It's all whites and blacks.   Always has been. So the older generation from me that I aspired and looked up to as a kid, it was white and black men standing together fighting on the terraces. Yeah? That's why so Luton's never had and I never experienced it in any racism. I never saw racism. It was if there was ever trouble, the whites and blacks would be together and they'd be fighting the Pakistanis.  

And that happened at school time and time again. Yeah. And I I explained it to people that if you just walk into the school dinner   hall, go into any school in Luton. Yeah. I guarantee you, when you walk in, you'll have all everyone sitting together and in the corner, there'd be 10 tables of Pakistani Muslims.   They won't even sit here.   We didn't create that as children. That wasn't us. And I never really understood it if I'm honest growing up. I didn't get it. I just knew the Pakistanis were different. There was something very different about the Pakistanis. If you have a fight with one, you might as well declared war with the whole community. Yeah? If you have a fight of a 13 year old Pakistani boy at school, when you get outside, there's 20 men waiting. And any any lads listening to us around the country who grew up where Muslim communities are know the school. Yeah? They just stick together. They come from everywhere. Makes them stronger. Yeah. They they and it's a strong culture. It's a strong ideology. It's a strong brotherhood. In fact, it's filling the void of something that we've lost, which is why many people are converting to Islam. We can get onto that. There's some benefits of Islam. There's some things you should respect about Islam, about about the way as a community it it it it brings itself together. But there's a lot of problems that come from it that we must talk about. So Is there any parallel with, like, Italian immigrants in America and the mafia that they would move together to have some strength for an immigrant group? Maybe the same here? Maybe maybe maybe when the Muslim community first come to The UK, this is what I understand. Yeah? In Luton and towns like Luton, maybe they were targeted, maybe there was racism, maybe they were victims, and maybe they clubbed together and stuck together. Maybe. Yeah? But when you understand,   02/1011,   I was on solitary confinement. I spent twenty two weeks on solitary confinement. And a Muslim outreach group sent me a Quran to try and convert me to Islam when I was in prison. And I opened up the Quran. I thought, alright. Let's I've never looked at the book.  

Let's try and understand this book. And I challenge anyone watching this to do it.   Take the Quran   and make a reference every time it sends   says, do not be friends with Christians or Jews.   Just reference the the the the the verse and the chapter.   And and I started going through and I'm making notes, and I had pages.   And everything I've seen my whole life just fell into place. I just looked and found my god.   So all of these children are being brought up in their households from this big   reading this book, which tells them not to be friends with Christians or Jews, which teaches supremacy   over Christians and Jews, which teaches total non assimilation and integration. This it's from this book. That's when I realized this is the problem.  

This is what's created even if it wasn't violent. This is what's created the total Islamic ghettos.   And I and I challenge journalists. Again, I challenge anyone to do this. Whenever a journalist used to come to Lewton and and and interview me, when I set up the English Defense League, I'll go on to explain why we've done that. But I would say to journalists, okay,   you go and find Muslims with non Muslims. Go on. We're in the town center. Go find me any Muslim with a non Muslim. You're not gonna.   You might find them working together, but soon as work finishes, just like when school finishes. Yeah? It's the Muslims and it's the non Muslims. You'll find whites with blacks. Every group of white boys will be with blacks. Every group of black boys will be with whites when integrated, well assimilated. Yeah? You won't find it. You just won't find it. Unless they're selling them heroin, or selling drugs, or raping them, you will not find it. And that's just that and again, this that's the truth. It's also giving them the power. It gives them the That maybe other groups are jealous of.   I'd say at times, I'm we've been jealous as a community looking at the Islamic community, the togetherness, the brotherhood,   the,   the staunch identity.  

And   it's filled a void of what the weakness in what the West has become.   When our families have come under attack, which is all orchestrated and organized, yeah, weaken the family, attack the men, feminize the men, we're witnessing all this. It's happening to the western Christian nations. Yeah. And as that's happening to us, you have Islam,   which says,   we're not weakening it. We're not flying rainbow flags. You have to hold your hands up. I I remember when I watched the the World Cup in Qatar. It's like,   it's their country governed by their laws. Yeah. And I'm actually thinking, yeah. I was about time someone told them to take those rainbow flags down. Down. Stop pushing that shit. But   at the same time, there's lots of flaws of it. But yeah. But I think it's filled a void. Do you respect it to a certain extent, but it's also   terrorizing your country? It's terrorizing our country. It's changing our country. It's dominant in our country. And I respect it in certain sense, and I can give so many examples, Brian.  

Of say for example,   we set up the English Defense League. Yeah? I'll get onto well, I'll rewind and explain why because there's lots of justification why. But I set up in the English Defense League. We're a street protest movement. We come out of Luton, spread across the whole country. When did it start roughly? It started 02/2009. 02/2009. Now, so my first just so you understand my upbringing. I went to school.   I was from a working class background. I done well at school. I didn't try. I've got 11 grades 11 I got 11 a c's. I've got an a in maths.   I didn't look at one book. Yeah? I could sit in class and mess around the whole class and prease it. Okay? I was quite natural. It was easy for me. I didn't study a bit. I passed all the GCSEs. When I left school, I applied to be an aeronautical engineer.  

At Luton. Right? At Luton. And and and I qualified. I went to work and I qualified. And I knew very quickly I shouldn't be there if I'm honest. Yeah. When I started talking to the other people that worked there, who I didn't have much in common with,   I asked them where they lived and they all lived in villages and they're all from wealthy areas, All the people who worked as aircraft engineers.   And I just felt out of place. And I think I felt out of place because of my background and where I'd come from.   And I'd go out and I'd come in with a black eye after a night out and everyone would look at me like an alien.  

I think what's going on? Like and and and the way you brought up in Luton, what you think is normal in Luton, I only realize isn't normal as I grew up. Like what? Like fighting and violence and way to deal with things. Our school would fight the other schools every Friday, lads would be going out 30 handed looking for other lads. And that was just part of growing up. And if someone says something to you negative, you'd beat them up.   But that's not normal. But it took me a long time to realize that's not normal. It took me till I had till I started looking at other towns. And when I when I experienced going to other communities or other areas near Luton, I went to Hitchin.   Wow, this place is lovely. There's no attitude. When you walk through people are looking at you. It's there's aggression.  

It's a and that's not I'm not talking about the Muslim community here. I'm just talking there's an aggression. Right. There's a host there's a   so so I grew up in in in a in that town of Luton, but I always kept I had a very my mom was Irish. She was one of eight children.   They come from real poor background,   but I had a loving family, a really loving family.   I had a great upbringing.   And I and I guess I was always in the group of lads that were causing lots of trouble,   but I never got involved in the criminality.   And I managed to keep myself in the in in in I've done my career. I've done my job. I qualified as an as an aircraft engineer.  

I went on after that. I set up two two businesses between me and my ex wife.   We purchased seven properties.   We're doing well.   And but 02/2004, when I was doing my apprenticeship,   the Beslan School massacre happened. I don't know if you remember it. Oh, yeah. In Cheshire. In Cheshire. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. School. Well, this would you know, everyone has a light bulb moment. Yeah. That some something changes your mind and wakes you up. And do you know what? Sometimes, would it have been better not to wake up? You know, all these people who have opened their eyes when maybe it was caught during COVID vaccines.   Once your eyes are open, you can't close them. You know it changes you. It takes over your life. I guess you've experienced it. Yeah. A little bit.  

And then it takes over everything. So the English like the English defense, they took over my life. What did you see from that Beslan massacre? Saw the Beslan massacre, and I saw This is when a bunch of terrorists took over a school. Terrorists took over a school. And the Russians went in and they blew it up or something. Yeah. They took over the school, but the parents come outside the school. So imagine this, your children are inside school. Lots of terrorists have got the children, the parents are outside school gates, the military are not letting them go in because they've they've got the situation they're trying to deal with, and then you hear them start butchering the kids and killing the kids. And I can see the parents now, I can see it now, dropping on their knees. And I remember watching it just going, what the fuck is this? Like, this isn't one madman. This is an entire group. That's what woke me up to it. It wasn't one absolute lunatic going on a killing spree. This was a whole group of men that have come together. They've prepared this and they've decided to go attack children and butcher them.   And so for me, it was looking at it   going, well, what's   what's behind this? Yeah. And then two weeks after so this was my wake up call. I was doing my apprenticeship. And a couple of weeks after this, there's an interview in a chicken shop in Lewin. Yeah. And in this chicken shop in Lewin, there's Pakistani Muslims being interviewed and one of their names is safe in Islam, sword of Islam. That's what it translates as. And at the time, he was number two in an organization called Al Mujaddim.  

Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza with a hook, all the all the country's worst terrorists, this was the group. Now at the time, this group weren't prescribed as terrorist organization.   There was no one prescribed terrorist organization because we hadn't had a terrorist attack in The UK. In fact, what The UK acted as so people understand the history of it, we acted as a safe haven for terrorist groups. We gave safe haven because we wanted a Musa Hadeen   Islamic jihadists to be fighting against Russia in Afghanistan.   So we let them base themselves. The Muslim Brotherhood, Hizbak Tahir, all the groups that are prescribed and banned by The UAE and Islamic countries   are allowed to grow and were supported   and given a place in Britain. Yeah? So as these groups are growing, when none of us even know what they are or who they are, we don't know what Islam is or Jihad is at the time. Yeah. So I look at this interview in a chicken shop and I and I'm young   and I'm pretty full of testosterone anyway as a young man. I didn't mind a punch up as a youngster.  

I've grown I've grown up in that environment   and and I saw these Muslims being interviewed, Pakistani boys and they're talking about Chechnya in the attack and he said if this happened in a school in UK it'd be justified.   And then I'm looking for who the who the fuck is he?   Who did I've already started looking at that group, the group that done it. Soon enough, I and then I was just zoomed in on him and thought, safe for Islam. Let me see who he is. It's funny because I end up having clashed with him years later on the documentary, punched me through the car window. It's it's it's it was a viral video, but I can get on to that. So I look at him and I go, right, Uzi. So I look at their head off listing this on Biscuit Road in Luton, and I start looking at the group. And that's  

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[00:21:28] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

See that every Saturday, they're outside Don Miller's Bakery in Luton Town, Sentinel.   So next Saturday, I went down to watch. And there's a whole massive group of them. And they're all and they're openly at this time. This is before they were stopped. Do you remember Abu Hamz with a hook in Finsbury Park Mosque? People might remember this. He used to stand and preach to hundreds of balaclava wearing Muslims, and there'd be fight promoting jihad and planning jihad, and and no one's stopping them. Free speech, it was.   Free speech. If you talk against it, you get nicked, but it was free speech. So that's all going on. And then I looked. So as I was standing there watching, they were recruiting people to go fight against British armed forces.  

Yeah? Sending them out and and and helping them and had all these PACE tables set up and there was a copper there. And I said to her, I said, what the fuck is this? And how are these doing this? She says, free speech. I said, alright. See if it's free speech in two weeks then. She said, well, I said, we'll see if this is free speech in two weeks. So two weeks later, I organized   about 200 lads. This is our football lads and and got the lads together and said, we've got a deal with these lot. Yeah. As in, they're outside our bakery in our town center recruiting for terrorists. What's going on? Right. And I guess I've always been a bit tribal anyway. Tribal about school, tribal about Luton, tribal about my country.   And I just felt   Luton's our town. And then every time anyone hears Luton mentioned in the media, it's about Jihad terrorism and it's always beaten down. But inside Lewton is a population of working class men and women who love the town, who love the country, love our armed forces. So this is 02/2004,   so I called it Ban the Lewton Taliban.  

And I made leaflets and I thought, do you know what? Everything I've seen growing up in this town,   my cousin was a victim of what we now call grooming gangs. She was 14. She was raped, gang raped. She woke up naked,   getting raped by loads of men with beards and she run through the streets and the prostitutes   on the streets stopped her. They rang her dad. The family ring the police. Nothing. Yeah. In the end, she'd be climbing back out the window to get back to the Muslim gangs for the heroin fixes and the police would just say she's a drug addict. The reality, she was a child who they'd enticed, groomed   and then raped. Yeah? And nothing was done. And do you know how many girls I went to school with and watched these things happen to? Yeah? So we're watching all this growing up. We're seeing all the hostility. Yeah. The seven seven launch pad there in Luton, fertilizer bomb pot Luton.  

Q was the main al Qaeda bomb maker, drove a taxi in Luton.   Oh, Luton Luton Luton. Stockholm bomber Luton.   CIA named Luton as the epicenter for terrorist activity. Why? Because this group, that's the way it was. This group. Sixty percent of Muslims in prison now for terrorism are ex members of this group.   This group was out of control and no one even knew about them. So 02/2004,   I organized 200 lads and I've done it barefaced. I went down to fuck them. Alright. And in the leaflet and this leaflet made on the front page of my newspaper.   So when I've done that presentation in 2015   at Oxford University,   I wanted people to understand the history. The English Defense League was born in 02/2009.  

It didn't come from nowhere. Yeah? There's been a lot going on in this town Right. And a lot has been allowed to happen. So the opposite I I had the opportunity in 2015 to explain it to an audience at Oxford University and say, let me tell you who I am and let me tell you where I come from and see if you still have the same opinion. Because you've got an opinion on me based on media, but you don't know what the you haven't seen what I've walked. You haven't lived my life. Yeah? So I'll talk about certain things like there was a gentleman called Mark Sharp in Luton. His son was my age.   He drove past,   and he had a road rage with some Muslim lads. He called them wankers, and then they followed him. And as they followed him, they rang rang for reinforcements.  

And they get him, as he pulls up with his son to get a takeaway, they get out and they're beating him with baseball bats. And he doesn't go down. He was a tough bloke. He doesn't go down and they jump up and snap a knife off in his head and they kill him. He he survived for about a week in hospital but then he died.   And I remember this. So and there's not this is just one instance. I remember loads of instances. When they went to court, read this case it will shock you. Yeah? When they went to court, the judge said to the jury, you could decide if what what Mark done by cool and wankers was enough to provoke a young Asian male.   They got two years and four years. They butchered him, killed him in front of his son. His family left looking at the time. They all moved out. Yeah. So I'd watch instant after instant, rape after rape, extremism after extremism, terrorism after terrorism, 02/2004,   in the leaflet, which I dug up for Oxford University. And the reason I dug it up was for say where we are now.  

I want people to know I've never changed.   I've never what I said in 2004 is what I'm saying now. Now in the leaflet in 02/2004,   I said whites and blacks because it's not a white issue in Lewton. Remember, I'm not from a white town. Yeah? The people I love are not all white. So when people tried to wear a white supremacist, like, what are you talking about? Yeah. I said whites and blacks are being religiously and racially targeted. They're being the police are doing nothing about it. And the reason being, you see what's now become a phrase in British politics, two tier policing?   I watched it my   whole life. I watched it my whole life. If you're outside a nightclub and the whites and blacks are having rouse all the Pakistani Muslims, the police turn up and smash the whites and blacks. Why is that? Because they're scared of them. They're scared of the power they have. The power they have or is it also the the wokeness? It's the The mind virus that came the last twenty, thirty years? Well, I'd say the after Stephen Lawrence, which was there was institutional racism, it went three sixty. It's gone so far the other way. And that was the fear of being called racist, the fear of the perception of racism, and that flips it the other way. Your whole career is gone. Your job's gone. And what would happen if the Muslims say say say say when one went went wrong with a couple of Muslims, there'd be 200 at the police station. You saw what happened in the Manchester attack. I think the verdict's come you know, Manchester   Airport. Yeah. So when the police officer kicked him in the head Yeah.  

There were demonstrations everywhere. We find out that they were beating innocent people up in the airport, breaking police officers noses, but the Muslim community will take to the streets. In Luton,   the Muslim community will riot. They will threaten violence. After the Bradford riots in 02/2001,   where Muslims rioted in Bradford,   Oldham,   across the North,   costing tens of millions of pounds to the economy.   After that, they got concessions in everything. And what their leaders always say is we won't be able to control the youth. And their leaders act as negotiators,   so they sit down and negotiate with the government and police forces and then the police pander, basically let them get away with everything. And that's what we'd seen   growing up in Luton. And the other thing is that that they're politically   so Luton at the time, I remember when I looked into this, we had 19 mosques and the leader of the council of the mosques   sits down with the Labour Council and they do a deal. This this is how it works. Yeah? Yeah. You want 40,000 votes? This is what you need to do. Yeah. And they'll get land for a mosque for 50 p. They'll get this concession, that concession, and then they get voted in by Labour. And then we as working class, we become irrelevant white working class. We're gone. Yeah. Because we don't vote in a military fashion. Right. We don't organize ourselves. We don't have the community spirit, the community togetherness of 19 mosques telling them who to vote for and organizing. So to for labor to stay in power in Luton,   we don't matter. They do. So the funding, everything goes that way. Yeah? We and and when we started so   when I started the Defense League so this was 02/2004. Yeah? Before this is five years before the EDL. I organized a protest   and I make these leaflets. And I named the Pakistani gang that's doing the drug dealing, the heroin dealing, the pimping of young girls, the grooming. They're called the Gambino Gang. Not very original for Pakistanis, right, copying the name, but that's what they were called. And three years later, the national newspapers run a story on the same gang saying that that gang are funding terrorism and there's a link between the street level gangs and the terrorism and they fund each other. But when I made this so when I come out against them, I was obviously target number one. I was young. We were the football group. And then we had all the Pakistani gangs wanting blood because I've named them, bought 200 lads out. The for that first day, the the terrorists weren't there. They bottled it. They always do bottle it, if I'm honest. When it's been on, they bottled it. Yeah? When the English fencing started, they bottled it. They weren't there. Yeah? It's guerilla it's guerilla tactics. Right? That's what they do. They make them out in numbers. Then they come out in numbers and they get you. So in o four, you had printed all this up. Including the gang, including the heroin and the grooming and all that. You had called it all out. I called it all out. And if you watch on my Oxford Union presentation, I read the leaflet out and I show the front page of the paper. When I've done my presentation, I went to the library and went back through the papers to get the leaflet to just show everyone. This is what I was saying then. Yeah? And it was ignored, and I've seen it. And this is where we are now. And this was '2 so so by the time 2009 comes,   by that time, I've had clashes with the bank with all the drug gangs because they've all wanted to get me. They've smashed my mom's house up. I can't go out in Luton unless I go out at 30 lads.  

But that just become normal. Yeah? And then and then by the end of a few years of battling,   when they see you, so alright, right, you know, you grow up from being 20 and you're all fighting each other. As you get older, so then I'm by this time, I'm 24, 25,   and there's a soldier's homecoming parade in Luton. And as the soldiers are marching through, I went down on a Tuesday morning, and I stood there. And as I got down to the town center, it was a homecoming parade for the Royal Anglian Regiment.   And as I come down, I saw police everywhere. And I thought it was kinda like, yeah, we got a soldier homecoming, but there was   quite a high presence of police. And then I saw about 30 women wearing niqabs. Yeah. And then I started spotting the jihadists, safe for Islam. Remember,   so lots of these are now dead. Freedom got died fighting for ISIS,   safe for Islam, spent on jail for ISIS.  

Roger Ibrahim, he he I used to hang around with him as a kid. He was a convert in jail. He he's now done jail for ISIS. So this group, they've all been dismantled now, but at the time, they weren't. And I saw the police take them, and then I saw the my town hall my town hall, the doors opened, and they walked them all through.   And I was watching them walking through thinking,   what's going on? And then as the soldiers and their families have come marching down here at the back of the town hall, they took the Muslims right to the front, and then they spat them. They spat the soldiers' mum's face. Now in this regiment, Scott Martin Luther was from our state, 26.   He died.  

Michael Swain, 19, lost his legs. So you can imagine the feeling of a community.   They're there to pay respects   and then watch   this. So when we saw this, people got angry, the police turned their batons on us.   And I remember watching it that day and watching it all develop and being so angry   because it's Lew and then it went world news and all the people they were they were shouting butchers of Basra, all the Muslims were. And then we found out, because it's probably about 60 or 80 of them. But then we found out because they nicked my cousin. They nicked a couple of our lads that day.   And then when they nicked them, we got the intel reports that the police detained 330   Muslims coming off the motorway.  

So they knew they were coming from everywhere to attack the troops. So they stopped the ones that were coming from outside Luton, but the Luton ones, they couldn't stop.   So this happened, and then we found out that all the mosques were leafy the week before, and that the police knew it was gonna happen. The council knew it was happen. And here's the problem. The council knew and the police knew what they were gonna do, but they're so scared of them, they couldn't tell them no. Now if we said we're gonna we wanna protest outside a mosque or on an Islamic event, they wouldn't let us. No? They wouldn't let you. So when we watched it, I thought, right,   if if they get away with this, if they're allowed to do this, what's next? Soldier's funeral?  

What's next? They're gonna be going to graveyards?   What are they gonna do next? There has to be a reaction to this.   They the country has to know there's a reaction to this. The police need to know there's a reaction to this. So   we set up then, or I set   up a group called the United People of Luton, the UPL.   And   the first event was the community, my aunties, family, women.   And we tried to get to the war memorial that they got to. And when we turned up on the day, hundreds of us, we had banners. We made it very clear, National Front, the Nazis go to hell. Safe and Islam go to hell. Islamic extremists go to hell.   We want our town back. In fact, on that first March, the second March, you can find it on YouTube. It was the first singing of you you hear now demonstrations, we want our country back. Well, that's what we're all singing. We want our country back. It's going out back to 02/2009. Yeah? There's hundreds of us. But when we turned up, the police I paid a cameraman,   a a wedding photographer, contacted a wedding and I've done this because I know because I I know what happens because I've seen it my whole life. But I wanted everyone else to know. I wanted the public to see the difference between how we're treated and how they're treated. So I paid this cameraman £450   and he's a wedding cameraman. He must think we'll see. And then when he turns up, there's like hundreds of us and he's so you just need to video with us. Follow us and video everything.  

So we walked down. The police come from everywhere. And then they they stop us, take your shoes off, search in our socks, putting their hands in my in our pockets,   cameras in our faces, what's your name, where do you live. So I just said, you didn't do this to them. On that Tuesday, when they went through our town hall, you didn't stop and search them. I watched her. There was no search in them. There was no cameras in their faces, and then they kettled us. So when we tried to get to the town hall, they kettled and they didn't let people pass. The police come past on the horse, they knocked one little black lad, they knocked his teeth out, Isaac, my mate, they knocked his teeth out and they kettled us for three or four hours. Women were having to urinate in the street   And this was we were ready a blow. I was like, no.  

You let them get to the war memorial. Now we've turned up as a community to get to the war memorial. We're getting attacked by you, kettled by you, and treated like second class citizens again by a police force which didn't do anything to the terrorists.   So this was more   I said, at that moment,   which this was the first bank holiday in May. And three weeks later so we have this demonstration, and then two, three days later, boom, 14 dawn raids.   One of them was my mom's. So the police come through all the doors,   and this is them trying to crush any resistance straight away. So what they did is they took anyone who is influential,   young lads. We were young at the time, but we were so if you had a bit of a following or you're from an estate because lots of different estates come together, they dawn raided them, and this is to scare everyone else. And when they went to my mom's, I went there. And they gave everyone they arrested bail conditions   not to enter Luton Town Centre for three months, seven days a week, twenty four hours a day. So no one was they banned us.  

Now in the build up to this first ever demonstration,   I set up a petition.   And it was a petition with three and a half thousand signatures. Before any protests,   we set up a petition, and we asked the council to use ASBO orders, antisocial behavior orders. So in our state, if two kids are continually causing trouble together, they get given an ASBO when they're not allowed to hang around together. So what we asked the council was give this group an ASBO.   Get them out of our town center. So after what they've done to our soldiers, if my mom wants to walk past Don Miller's, these these are ain't there. And if vulnerable young men are walking past Don Miller's, these are ain't converting them. Yeah? Instead of doing that to them, the police come and done it to us.   So next comes a second demonstration, and this is what gave birth to the English Defencely. Because the next demonstration,   I rang the police anonymously   because the feeling was that strong, and you can watch the video. Unite people are loo and loo and protest.  

I'd say 500 lads turned up   and I bought balaclavas for everyone. So when we met at the pub, I gave everyone balaclavas   and and we all had no surrender we had Luton Town t shirts and it said no surrender to Al Qaeda. Yeah? And and I've gone to all the different estates and met lads from other states who we didn't even like. Yeah? I said, lads, like, they're taking the piss. Unless we come together as a town,   what we we need to stand up to this. Yeah? We need to stand up to the police, to the council, to all of them. They need to know that this can't carry on. So we all turned   up that day, get out the balaclava's.  

I rang the police beforehand anonymously   and said, if you stop us, I'm just warning you. If you try and stop these lads, get into the I'm I'm giving you the feeling of the town. Luton's gonna burn. I'm telling you, the whole town's gonna burn. It's ready to blow. You could have lit a match and, pow, the town's about to explode.   There was that much anger   at what had happened, but then how we'd been treated as community trying to have our say. Yeah. That's what it become about. Was it they've become not so much about what the Muslims have done. It become about the police response, the council response. And then we were sitting watching Hazel Simmons was leader of our council. And after the first protest and second protest, she's saying these outsiders come into Luton. I think these outsiders, we're all Luton. The whole there's 500 men chanting we are Luton Town. Now the imagery   didn't look good. Okay? Men in balaclavas   charged through the streets. The police tried to stop it and couldn't stop it. They got run everywhere,   and then everyone got to the warm rule, which is all people wanted. And then we held a minute silence   for our armed forces, But then the image was of hundreds of men wearing balaclavas   standing outside our town hall with their hands up. That image went worldwide.  

Yeah?   That was the start of the English Defense League. Okay. That's what really gave birth to it. And it and again,   what I've done after that was that group, Almas Redeem, the terrorists, who weren't prescribed at the time, we just followed them. So I looked at what they were doing, Islamic Roadshow.   They were in Birmingham. They were in Wood Green. We got about forty, fifty of us in the back of a van then we jumped out on them in Wood Green and just to to put up their pace tables. And it was sort of like, I guess, instead of going looking for other football teams on a Saturday, we figured get the terrace.   That's that's how it started. Okay.  



[00:38:40] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

And it was a successful start. Did you get what you wanted? We got what we wanted. They started they started well And recognition  

[00:38:47] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

and media coverage. Media coverage. And it went from me realizing that the problems I've seen in Luton, they're in every town of the city. Okay. As we took it national,   I had families coming to me about their daughters. I was hearing different stories thinking, Jesus,   it's the same.   Everywhere across the country, we're being betrayed. We our daughters are under attack. So this is going on, and then we're having and and and and it actually worked because at the start, Luton's hotting up. There was, like,   there's firebombings.  

It was there was trouble in Luton at this at the start. All the terrorists got done. So the ones that protest against the soldiers, that some of them lived up in our state.   Like, they they didn't live up there for long. It it went mad. Okay. It went mad. And then they were jumping out cars on people and then in the end, the imams called us for meetings. We had meetings with the imams. And they said, we've all got to live in Luton. I said, we know. But you you can't you what's happening to our daughters? This was the the sticking point. I said, oh, what what is it doing to the girls? What did they say? They said the Im Khadir Basque was the main Imam. They were radicals, proper radicals, but they were worried at the same time. When we went I said, lads, you're you're not jumping out of cars with us. We we're not going away. Yeah? The people are now ready. Now and I remember the Pakistani boys ringing me up at the time when it was all kicking off at the start, and they said, well, yeah, actually, this lad I grew up with. And they said, mate, you're not messing with the with the street levels here. You're messing with jihadists, man. These boys have been in training training camps.   I said, well, there's 500 of us. There's 500 of us, lads. But these at at at the start, we were that   annoyed and frustrated.  

But whereas in 02/2004,   I used my first name,   by the next time when the demonstrations come, that's why I used a fake name Tommy Robinson. I wore a mask. No one knew who I was at first. They knew we were all there as football lads, but no one knew who the leader was. Is there power in that? There is at the time. There was at the time because I could I could do it anonymously and not face the backlash. Okay. Took about a year before everyone knew who I was. And then I faced the threats, the terrorism,   the the violence.  

But for that first year, I could hide who I was. And you ended up leaving the EDL. Why?  

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Because  

[00:40:49] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

the EDL at that moment in time, you have to understand.   You see the grooming scandal, the rape scandal, no one knew about it. What very what happened in six months was I went from working on a building site and running a couple of little companies   to being the leader of the biggest street protest movement Europe has seen. And that street protest movement   was spiraling out of control at first.   No one was ready for it. The police didn't know how to deal with it.   We didn't know how to deal with it. We went from Luton. There was 50 of us in Luton.   The Islamic roadshow, this group, set up a pace table in Birmingham, and they had a banner that said Jesus was a Muslim. And they held a banner up, and they converted an 11 year old boy called Sean. I showed this video on my Oxford University so people understand what we done. And they converted this boy called Sean to Islam and they were chanting in AlarAkbar.  

Now you can't leave Islam, not as far as these jihadists   mindset is. They wanna kill you. So I thought you couldn't you're now converting our kids. You've gone from attacking our soldiers to shopping centers in Birmingham to converting English kids. I said, no. Like, so we went to Birmingham to try and highlight that. Now when we went to Birmingham as a group of 50   and, and we got there, well, Samuel Yacoub was a a Muslim politician, and they'd all told everyone the National Front, the BNP were coming.   And Muslims come from everywhere. We got attacked. We got battered. People were hospitalized.  

The buses the police couldn't get us out there. They locked us in a pub for about three hours, then the police brought buses in to put us in. And as they put us in the buses, all the windows come in, and every road we went down was littered with bricks. There were riots. The Muslim community come out to to end us on that first event. Yeah. But we had by this point, we had jumpers and hoodies made, say, in English defense league. There was only 50 Luton lads. That's all it was. Yeah? And a few Birmingham lads had turned up. Now from that first demonstration, the images in the national newspaper were English men on the floor and groups of Pakistanis jumping on them.   So we we'd watch what happened in Birmingham,   and after this,   there was a a church in Longsight in Manchester,   and they a mosque. Some Muslims have bought the church, and then they were just bulldozing over the Christian headstones.  

So then we watched that and thought, well, you can't do that. Right? So then we've said, right, we'll leave Birmingham. Let's go to Manchester. And when we turned up in Manchester from that first event where we were violently attacked, 2,000 young men turned up. So we went from 50,   but I took all the videos and was putting them on all the football messaging boards saying Luton have stood up and shown the video of Luton. It's showing 500 Luton lads. Saying Luton is standing up against terrorists. Luton is standing up against takeover. So and then by the time we got to Manchester, 2,000 young men were there. And I was like, wow.   Men have taken to this. And then men men had come together. And the problem is after the first incident in Birmingham with the violence against us,   it weren't gonna be 2,000   nurses Right. That come out on the street.  

It was 2,000 young men Who wanted some violence. Who ain't gonna back down. Right. We're not gonna back down to it. That's that's so that then   was the English Fence League.   Across our country. And it was set up, and it was so quick for me. I didn't  

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[00:44:46] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Weren't ready for it ourselves. I wasn't political. I didn't know the difference between left and right. I didn't care about politics. I cared about making money. At that time, my passion was making money. Then all of a sudden, I set up the English Defense League. And then we started highlighting issues, talking about issues. We'd go into towns and try and highlight and protest over things that happened in those towns. If you go back, people now know about Telford. They now know about Rotherham. There's videos of us there five years before any arrests chanting Muslim pedophiles off our streets. Our daughters are not halal meat. So we become the   everyone who had been silenced,   everyone who knew the problems in their towns just come together.  

And the police didn't know how to deal with it, and we didn't really either. Okay. And at that time, it was needed.   So we were explosive.   We were young. The world was watching. We become a household name   in a year. Yeah. People didn't know what to do. No one did, but we didn't either. There was no plan for it. So all of a sudden, I'm leading this group. Now as I said, being from Luton, I despise Nazis.   I don't like racism. Yeah? My problem is with Islam and and the ideology.   So when we joined the English Defence League, we started attracting,   thanks to the media as well.  

I'd say it was for the brave and the stupid   and racists   at the same time. And then we fought a battle within, which I I show in Mark's the junior presentation.   We burned swastikas   very early on saying to Nazis, this isn't a home for you. You're not welcome on the streets of us. But whilst we're doing that, the politicians, the media, and the government are telling the whole country it's a Nazi far right group. So you go to the next demonstration, and then other elements are coming. And in the end, there was clashes,   like street battles between normal lads who go football   and far right Nazi elements. And it took about two years for them to realize they couldn't come anymore. And they want to kill me. Alright? So I was targeted by all of them. They want to kill me as a race traitor. I'm still as a race traitor, Zionist, all these different things. But, but that was the birth of the English Defense League. And at the time, I it got to 02/1415.  

We'd highlighted lots of things. We've done a Luton demonstration twice, 10,000 people.   Then people wanted another Luton demo and I as a Luton lad didn't.   So then I felt I was being hypocritical at the same time marching into other towns. Because when we had our first march in Luton,   the council called me for a meeting.   And I went down to the meeting,   and they had cameras set up and said, Tommy, will you just sit down and talk to us? I said, yeah. Fine. They're the baroness, the labor baroness, and then about 10 representatives.   They said, just tell us what's wrong with you. Tell us why everyone's upset. I said, okay. You wanna know what's wrong? And I went through the all of them. I said, where do you live? Saint Albans. Where do you live? Hitchin. These are nice areas. Where do you live? And I went through all the people who meant to represent us. I said, none of you live in Lewin. You're not even from Lewin. And there's a Mohammed was there, the Muslim representative. I said, you live in Berry Park, the Muslim community. He said, yeah. I said, so he represents his community and you lot think you represent us. And then I took them up to Faleel. I took a representative up to Faleel. Faleel was one of the most deprived white council station prune, And the park was built in nineteen sixties. I said, see that park. That's park for our families, our kids. Let's just say let's take a drive down the road to the Muslim community. That's a £330,000   state of the art park. You've neglected us and you forgot us. Yeah. You've you've left   us behind. And this sort of my view there, it's not just my view. That's happened to the working class, the white English working class across this country. The biggest academic underachievers   in education, white working class. We're failing, we've been left behind. I think it's like eight eight percent of white working class kids on free school meals go to university, some of those, and 40% of black kids.  

That's so they're all going uni, they're accelerating, everyone else is, because everything's set up for the minority.   Yeah? We've just been abused. That's the real and that's how we feel. And that is wokeism?   That is what I'd say it's wokeism, but it's also just councils pandering to power. They know where the power lies within the within the town of an Islamic community. The future is Islam.   The future of vote bank is the Muslim community. Who do you appease for the vote? You appease them. We don't care about them anymore. So it's the votes. It's power. And the money in the commerce or the votes? A mixture of all of it. Because when you look at the grooming gangs, the scandal across every town and city,   it was covered up. It was hid successfully   by government, even by the royals. They knew. They all knew. Yeah.  

The leaders of our country knew. The police force leaders knew. In every town and city, they knew. And they actually conspired   to keep it hidden. Because it's not not a convenient truth for them. It's not convenient truth because what it does is it highlights their own policy flaws.   They've imported these men. They've brought them in. This is the reality   of multiculturalism which they've forced on us. This is the reality of open border mass immigration from Pakistan and countries like that. You've brought it in. It's your problem, but they know the future lays with that community, so they don't upset that community. They're also, since 2001 with the Bradford riots, are terrified of anyone saying anything negative that might provoke the Muslims into a violent riot. That's what's happened. So then they all panda,   just shit themselves basically,   and say, let the little English girls get raped. We'll we'll let that happen. That's   we'll accept that so long as we keep getting voted for. We don't upset anyone. And the police force, as long as no one calls us racist. So when you when you think,   what is the power of political correctness when you actually say this out loud? People think, is it powerful? How powerful is it? It paralyzed   from one end of the country to the other of the most successful nation in the world,   the most progressive,   democratic,   free loving people, and they all stood there and watched children get raped in case they were called rapist racist. Racist. That's the power of it.  

That infection of political correctness   has totally paralyzed through fear   an entire nation of people.   Well, it had until the English Defense League. Now no one gives us credit.   And no one gives us credit, but and   people can question our tactics   when we're on the street in that manner, and I learned a lot. Because it was violent and it had a bunch of other bad actors There was violence. Physicists and There was violence. We were rowdy. We were loud. We were   unapologetic   in what we were doing. And we were charging for strict seas.   Now if we didn't do that, if we didn't, would you have heard of the Infancy? Right. If we didn't,   would would anyone now be dealing with the rape epidemic of young British girls? Would they? Because in 02/2009,   if you look, you can draw a graph. And from 2004   to 02/2009,   the graph goes a straight line. This is arrests for Muslim great gangs.  

02/2009,   02/2010, 02/2013   it just goes through the roof. Yeah? Because they had to.   At that point, they couldn't hide it anymore. Now Andrew Norfolk is a journalist who won the awards for   exposing the grooming gangs.   His words, not mine.   He won all these awards. Now he says in an interview,   he knew it was happening as a journalist,   but it was a far right dream.   Pakistani men, white girls, and he was too scared to report it. So he, as a coward, like the rest of them, yeah, knew little girls were being raped, but was too scared to report it because of the demographics of the rapists and the victims. Yeah. And then he saw the emergence of the English fluency. This is his words.   And then he decided, like he's some I've got some moral   high ground. He decided we had to take it back from the far right. Now what he means is, when he says far right, is English men that weren't willing to allow this anymore. He had to take it back from the fathers, the brothers, the uncles, and the relatives of the kids who were being raped who decided we've had enough of this and we're on the street now. Yeah. And no. We're not gonna back down. Arm our ethos what was it? We had deaf personal   deaf, personal glory, we will not submit.  

Now Islam translates as some submission. So our main thing is we're not submitting, we're not backing down. Yeah. And that was needed   at that time. But get to 02/2014,   I no longer felt what was needed,   in the sense of the arrests were happening,   not to the scale they should be,   but we've done pretty well.   No one had been killed. Six Muslims got caught on the way to kill us. They got caught with suicide vests,   guns, bombs, everything. They got thirty years in jail.   But if they would have been successful in blowing up that English Defence League event,   that could have started sectarian conflict.  

Now we had a lot of contact with Northern Ireland and people in Northern Ireland, and there was the troubles in Northern Ireland with the public. And I remember all the people there saying, you need to you do not wanna go down that path. Yeah? You don't want your country, and we didn't want that. So it gets 02/2014.   And remember, this is before the rise of these. Yeah?   If you wanted to speak to people, you got 5,000 on the street and you told them what's happening.   By 02/2014,   I've decided I'm leaving the English Defense League anyway.   And I decided I made that decision because I was put in jail,   02/2014.  

And all the groups I'd fought there was these groups, Northwest Infidels, absolute scumbags. Yeah. Proper Nazis, proper racist little mugs, and I've had cashes with them for years.   I go to jail. By the time I come out of jail, I watch the demonstrations I've missed when I'm in jail, and I see them all there.   I'm like,   when you think of English Fence League, what do you think of? It's me. I'm the face of this shit. Yeah? I've got a walk around Luton with my head held high, which I can do because I've stood up for what I believe in and and what's right, morally right, and it has never been a racist group. And everyone knows me and all the blacks know me. Everyone knows me. I've got a good friendship basis like that. So I I could always do that. But when I saw that, I thought, am I the only person holding these con these excuse me, that these lot back? Am I I'm not being the face of that. So I made the decision to leave, but then I also made decision to leave, but not   not to try and find a solution to the problem, but not give up what we were doing.  

And I realized that what I need the public to see   is what I've   seen. I need them to understand what Lewton's like. And how can I do that? And it was journalism. That's when you became a journalist. That's when I become a journalist. What was that transition like? Because   now you're a proper journalist. Like I've seen your documentaries, like, it's hard work, isn't it? Well, Ezra Levant. Do you know Ezra Levant? So Ezra run a group. Ezra run a media company. It's the first alternative media network, and it's in Canada, called Rebel Media. So I come out of jail   in 02/2015.  

I've left the English Fence League, and I got back to work. Yeah? And I haven't got time. Do you know what it was? I I was a great leader to the English Fence League. Because in the first six months,   my door went off. I was raided three times. I was put on conditions. They limited my money, froze my assets for four years. Yeah? Done all these investigations trying to shut us down. They targeted us because the grooming scandal we were talking about,   they've all got dirty hands. And when I say that, Rotherham, say for example, the Rotherham scandal. The police officer in charge of Rotherham at the time of the the height of the rape scandal,   where is he now? He's the head of counterterrorism.  

Yeah. I'm on terrorist charge right now. Yeah. The same people that are worried about what's gonna come out, yeah,   they've not they've not been demoted.   They've all been promoted. Okay. Through the Labour Party in the police forces, they're all sitting in the highest ranking positions of power right now. That's why Labour can't allow this big investigation. They cannot allow it. Why not? Because all their politicians are part of it. Yeah. That all the people in councils are in positions of power. They've just gone up and up and up. None of them lost their jobs. They're all rewarded for covering up. Yeah. Police force for example, in Manchester, there's a girl called Victoria. Was it Victoria? Girl called Victoria died a heroin overdose.   Police launched this is before the grooming scandal was public. Police launched an investigation, identified 100 rapists, arrested them all, prosecuted them. Yeah. Just as the trial is about to start, CPS collapsed the whole case, just deleted it. Yeah. The police officer who was in charge of that and collapsed it, then won an award by our royal family, highest awards,   six months later. He was rewarded. They've all been rewarded. Where are they sitting now? They've rose up. Yeah. But as they tried to crush me at the start of the English Fence League with the dawn raids, with the police raids, all these different things,   I said, I I become   that doesn't work with me. Like, trying to shut me up just made me want to do want to and it made me the most dedicated, as I said about things taking over, it took over my life. I become a great leader to the English defense league, but probably not a great dad. Yeah? Certainly not a great husband. K?  

I I certainly so it took found your purpose. Yeah. I found my purp and John, it found my purpose, and   it become more than that.   I I'm a very deep thinker,   and I'm trying to trying to have this conversation with my ex wife   and her family   when   she was getting threats to be killed and police warnings that her life was in danger. And I've got her dad sat there saying, what the hell are you doing? Yeah. And I'm just like, am I wrong? I'm not wrong. I know I'm not wrong. This needs to be confronted.   But trying to say that and explain that   I look deeply and think there's a thousand years of Christian English history here.  

It's gone in sixty years.   In sixty years, we've let this country be taken over   by a medieval   barbaric mindset in towns and cities, and we've done it because we're too scared to be called a racist also. Fuck off. Really?   When you think about previous generations who were 14 and 15,   who pretended they were old enough, they lied about their age to run into a beach with a life expectancy of a minute, and they done that to make sure they could safeguard a safe and prosperous Britain for the next generation. And we're worried about losing our job?   So I I sat there and thought about it. I thought, no. Not a chance, like, at that time. And I think that we've bred a generation of cowards who care about ourselves   rather than care about the wider community. And I try to say that to my ex missus. It's just like, yeah. I've got three kids, but this ain't about our kids, Jen. This is about a generation of kids. This is what's happening, and it's real. But the difference is now the public know it's real, but we knew it's real. People in Toulton and towns like that, we've known it's real for so long. So as I said, I left I decided to leave the expense league and Ezra Ezra sent me Ezra said, we'd I've done a couple of interviews with Ezra. And he said, will you make a video? And he sent me a camera, and he sent me all the stuff.  

I'm useless. I don't do computers.   I as I've never had. So he sent me all this stuff, and I never used it. And he kept ringing me and ringing me and ringing me. I said, and he kept hassling me that much. I said, I'm working, Ezra. Yeah? And I made one video. And it was about Sweden, I think. And it was me talking about what's happening in Sweden. And I have managed to when I pick when I read things, they stay in my head so I could just talk about them. And I made a video and it blew. It it went really well. And then he rang me, he said, what are you earning during your building?   I said, why? He said, I want you to make videos full time.  

And I said,   okay. I said, so then but my wife, I'd come out of prison and promised her. I'd come out of prison. How'd you been in prison, Tommy?   About six. Six. All for work. All for journalism.   Like, that people talk about my current record. I've never been tried by jury. I've never had I've never been convicted by jury. It's always the judges. Never get jury.   So but then so then I made the videos, and then Ezra, I've become a journalist, started making videos,   found my niche, and then I found not just found my niche, but   I get a buzz.  

If you go watch Marksford Union speech,   yeah, read I I walked into Oxford University and it was the first opportunity. I'd led the English fencing for five years and every time I'd been on TV, I just got shouted down. And they'd always pick the behavior of the English Fence League, you know,   which was pretty indefendable at times.   They'd always pick that, but I'd be thinking, no. We've got a great argument here. Like, you need to listen. Yeah. But no one would listen. So it was having an adverse. It wasn't getting what we needed really to win the hearts and minds of the public. I walked into Oxford University and they hated me.   You know, if you ever go speak there, anyone who goes to debating chamber at Oxford University, you get taken for a free course meal. I didn't.  

So I got invited, but not invited, really. And when I walked in, everyone was no one would shake my hand, and everyone was pretty rude, and they're booing me. And I got up to talk, and he gave me I had they said I could have forty five minutes, but my presentation   was an hour and fourteen minutes.   So I said to him, he goes, no. You've got forty five minutes.   And I stood up and started talking. It was my first chance in five years   to tell people   my story of Lewin.   And I kept asking the crowd,   this isn't where you grew up,   but think about what you would have done if it was. That's what I kept asking them. What would you have done if this so for example, when September 11 happened, at my local shops, they had posters celebrating it everywhere. Magnificent morning. And I showed them on my presentation. Really? I said, these are my shops. They weren't your shops. But when I went to the shop, here's what I saw.  

When the at at our local college, they all celebrate. They're all jumping around party when the plane's hit. The Muslims try. Run. I said, not your college, but my college.   This is what I saw. When this happened, I I showed Stacey Dooley when she walked through Luton. Show Stacey Dooley. Yeah. She run, like, danced all nice. She said she's come pretty famous. She's I grew up with her. But she's, I showed videos of her when Muslims were attacking her. So I show all these different there were 68 attacks against non Muslim homes. So I'm trying to show the people to say, like, you may not like me, yeah, from what you've hear heard of me, but I was created in London because of the problems in London.   And I'm just want I just want you to understand.  

And I remember the blokes, they let me do the presentation and I went from being hated at the start to getting a stand innovation for Oxford University,   and then all of them come up saying, I never knew this. I said, no. Because they don't. And then I had Edinburgh University, York University, they canceled everyone after that. Everyone was canceled because they must have fought shit. People are gonna listen to them. What year was this? Oxford? 02/2015.   '15. Okay. And And then the sent and but then at that point, I've become a journalist. And I've become the most watched journalist in Europe.   And I exploded on the scene. And I exploded because   I was covering stories   that no one else would. I was going into mosques and looking at the history of the mosques and the groups and the terrorists, finding them, tracking them down, talking about the rape gangs, which no one wanted to. Why? Why wasn't channel four doing this? Why wasn't the BBC doing this?  

Why would they all control media?   Let me tell you how they control media because this is insane. Yeah?   Stephen Byrd, Google him. Stephen, if you're watching this, when   when they unmasked me as leader of the English Fence League,   02/2010,   probably, '11, a a journalist called Stephen Bird knocked to my mom's door.   And my mom rang me and said, journalists here.   They're looking for Tommy Robinson. So I was like, right. Game's up.   Up until this up until this point,   no one knew who I was. So I could I was still living a bit of a normal life. The police knew who I was, but   it weren't out there mainstream.  

Now I'll shoot myself, if I'm honest, because I thought now it's on top. Now if you search my name, it brings you back to my mom's address online. Mom's gonna be target, houses gonna be target, so I was worried. So I met this journalist   up a pub in Farleya in Luton,   and, and he was fair. And when he run and he said you'll when he sat down, he said, Steven, your life changes tomorrow. I said, why? He said, well, you're front page of the Times newspaper.   Everyone's gonna know who you are tomorrow.   But I kept in contact with him, and I kept speaking to him, and I trusted him. Yeah.   So   2017   comes. I'm doing my journalism.  

I'm outside of Leeds Court, and, there's 30 Muslim men on trial for raping young kids. And as they walk in, I ask them how you feel about your verdict. Now this went this story went worldwide. The police come and arrest me outside the court. I'm sentenced within two hours. I went to work. My car was outside. Like, see you later kids, see you later Jenna. I'm going to work. Yeah. Two hours later, I'm I've got thirteen months. I rang her from the my phone call from the plea from the prison. I rang my wife. I said, alright. I said, I'm in jail. She's like, what? I said, I've just got thirteen months in prison.   She's like, fuck off. I was like, have you had enough yet? Like, I'm thinking here we go. But and I was so I got thirteen months in jail. It blew up. World news.  

They tried to put report restrictions on it. I was sentenced. They said I'd breach the report and restriction. It took twelve weeks to get to the court of appeal where they realized everything they've done was unlawful and illegal, and I was released. Now when I was released from prison,   the government had funded on social media   questions about your view on Tommy Robinson.   Now when I was in jail, 565,000   people signed a petition to have me released.   30,000 people marched on parliament.   Now this would have put worried the establishment.   Yeah?  

So when I come out of jail, I'm told someone comes to me and says, Panorama,   are doing an investigation into you. It's called Tommy Takedown. Yeah? They're coming for you.   So I think Panorama are the best. Pan if anyone doesn't understand, Panorama are the flagship investigation   company for the BBC. They do documentaries, and when they make a documentary, people listen.   They they are experts in covert recording.   I don't know. Have you watched Panorama? Yeah. So   they come and they're doing Panorama. Panorama on Panorama on me.   So I get a girl to covertly   record   the head of Panorama   and get recordings of what they're planning on me. And I was shocked. I was shitting myself. Yeah? But I'd send her in. She wears a wire. She wears a camera. She goes out drinking. She's with the head of the BBC.  

And they're all sitting talking, and he's openly saying, we're gonna stitch him. And and and they're telling people what to say about me in interviews. Say this, say this. Then they make up they they say they're gonna make sexual allegations against me. Yeah. This is why I struggle with the Russell Brand story, the Andrew Tate. I've seen it. I would have been there. Got it. They were hammering me. I was gonna be the new Harvey Weinstein. Yeah? But when the girl gets it all recorded,   she covertly records it all,   then   I contact Steven Bird. I said, I need a meeting with you. I've got some gold.  

Yeah? He comes to see me. I'm playing all the recordings, and he's like, do you know how big this is? I said, yeah. This is the biggest flagship program making up fake news to destroy a political opponent on behalf of who? The government.   So this is massive. And he said, this is massive. Is it ultimately on behalf of the government? It's on behalf of the government. Because the BBC is owned by the government. BBC is owned by the government. They're ending me. Paid for by the people. They they were ending me. Yeah. This would have been the end of me. No one would ever listen to a word I said again because I'd have been a sexual deviant, a   all the all the things that they would have told people about me. So   I sit at Stephen Byrd, he listens to all the recordings   and then he says, right, this is massive. He goes away, arranged to meet me next day, comes back next day, I'm not allowed to run it.  

I said, and then by this time what was he telegraphed by this one? I said, you're not allowed to run it.   He goes, I can't publish it. I said free   press. Like what the fuck? And so then I said okay you're not allowed to run it. So he went and had to run it but Panorama then rang me for an interview. They've been looking for me. So I rang them up said right meet you tomorrow think of many time. I set up a screen behind me and I met them in a location that I chose. I said, I have to meet you tomorrow. It's got to be tomorrow. I didn't want them time to have think about it. So they've come to meet me. John Sweeney sat there. I'm sat here. All the produce Investment Club. Today, I consider it the best investment that I've ever made. We get four projects presented a week by their associated CEOs. Personally, I'm completely blown away by the quality of these projects, and I know of nowhere else where I would be given the same opportunity. Each week that passes, I feel more appreciative of the fact that I'm a member of this group. The vibe was just tremendous.  

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Everybody's on the same wavelength. We just clicked. Everybody   listened to each other, enjoyed their company. It was just magical. Magical.   Take action. Don't take my word for it. Do diligence. You need to do. And I really hope that someday down the road I see you in the club. It far exceeded expectations   without question.  

[01:08:34] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Just there. And now I just sat and asked him, would you ever tell anyone what to say about me in an interview?   He said, no. Press play. So on the screen behind me, it played him telling people what to say. Would you ever make up sexual allegations? No. Press play.   Are you a racist, John? Because that's what they call me, press play. I had him being racist. I had him being homophobic. I had him talking about shooting gay people. I had him bang to rights in covert recordings. Yeah. The producers are putting their heads in their hand like so I get this documentary   and then I hire the biggest screen there is in the country. Yeah?  

And I   put it outside BBC's head office in Manchester,   Salford.   And 10,000 people turned up for me to show this film. What was it called? Panodrama.   Panodrama. That was your film. That was my film. Okay. That was your first film? That was my first documentary. Okay. How long? That set me on my way and that was what? 2018 was it? In like thirty minute or a feature film? No. It was an hour. Hour. Over an hour. Hour and fifteen. Okay.   Hour and fifteen and what it showed was that Panorama,   the BBC that we pay for, were working with far left extremist organizations   who were blackmailing my old employees   in order to get them to say things on TV about me. And then they use that on the documentary,   and then they use multiple people who are being blackmailed, yeah, and   paid to say things. And then they tell people what to say, and they build a whole catalog of things. So when you watch this documentary, you just think he's a scumbag.  

You don't realize that all the people are being blackmailed and paid and that all the all these abusive tactics are being used. But the BBC keep their hands dirty because they're not paying anyone. They use the they use the extremist groups, hope not hate, far Left, Provocateurs.   They use these groups to act where the plea where the police and the BBC can't. Yeah? So it's a it's an operation. And do you know what? I went back through the history of Panama, and they've done this to conservative MPs thirty years ago with the same group. Hope Not Hate used to be called Searchlight. They got fined. They had to pay millions. So this is nothing new. It's nothing new. The difference is now social media. We've been lied to. We've been manipulated. We've been played. We've been deceived. We've been all of these things by the mainstream media. The media are a weapon of a totalitarian state. We don't live in a free state. Stop pretending we do. We don't have free speech. We don't live in a democracy. We live in a totalitarian state. The media, the judiciary, all these things are just weapons of that state. You've realized it when you've spoke up. You've realized it when you've been deplatformed. But my deplatforming, I produced panorama.   It had 2,000,000 views in twenty four hours. I was deleted from everything   at that point. That was two thousand nine eight. '19, they took you off Twitter. '19, they took you off Facebook. When they took me off Facebook was this because because of panorama. Do you know what they've done? They made it that if you mentioned Tommy Robinson, you get taken off Facebook. So overnight,   they made it impossible for anyone to see the film, talk about the film. They erased it and they erased me. And you know the diff you know the difficulty, at that time my my my journalism   was flying.  



[01:11:23] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Only because of social media, obviously. Yeah. As or you but you could at that point publish across platforms. I was published across platforms and I was buzzing  

[01:11:31] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

off of making people think and change their mind. And I got a real buzz when I read the comments saying, I didn't agree with this kid. I used to think he was this. And then they're watching films, and then I was deplatformed.   I wasn't just deplatformed.   They deleted me from social media, and then the attorney general re prosecuted me for the same offense I've been in jail for a year before. I got put back in   jail. And when then then I got worried because then I thought, well, now I've got no social media. So now they're gonna put me back in jail. They're gonna let them get me. That's what I started thinking. I'm dead here now. Yeah. And this was and I've been through multiple situations like this. But that this was that was the birth of my documentary making.   So when they put me in jail in 2000 for this, I was reporting outside a court case. I made panorama.  

They locked me up again.   Then I sat there and thought, right, all of this, I believe my entire target   has been because of the dirty hands they have on the grooming gangs. Okay. They've stopped me from the very early days with fake arrests, dawn raids, bail conditions,   limiting my speech, limiting my movements, giving me dates. I was due to talk as an event about grooming in 2009   in Bradford about Yorkshire rape gangs.   They dawn raided me. They they they went in machine guns to my mom's, to my kid's house. They nicked me. They bailed me to answer bail for a criminal damage, you know. You know, on the hotel room door, there's 30 pound damage like the metal bit at the door. That's what they arrested me for. Just made up. Yeah. And and I put a complaint in through the IPCC. They admitted it as well. Yeah. But what the purpose of it was, they bailed me to the same date as demonstration.   It was all to stop us talking about the grooming. It was Yorkshire police that traveled down to arrest me in Luton and Dawn raid both the houses. It was Yorkshire police because they're in cover up mode. Okay. No one knew about grooming. This was the lengths they were going to. You have to understand when when an entire police force and establishment and government have got dirty hands, they'll go to any lengths to shut this up. When you see the lengths they went to so this is what was happening. I was then put put back in prison as as a sat in prison. I thought, you know what I'm gonna do? This was 02/2019.  



[01:13:32] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

02/2019. And then you also you're raised off social media. Yeah. How does that feel? How does that stop you?  

[01:13:38] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

It it's pretty hard. It's pretty   maybe it's for your ego as well. Maybe   maybe   do you know what I was surrounded by? When I had the English defence league I was surrounded by people who told me my didn't stink. Yeah.   To everyone around me I was great but at the same time there were things I was doing and ways I was behaving   that weren't great. I was in some dark places. Do you know when the in those early years when I when the terrorists got arrested,   I sort of felt like I was living with a terminal illness. I knew my time was coming. K. I was just a young lad and you like like to pretend you're not scared but I was scared. But you were gonna get killed? I thought I was gonna get killed, which I was ready for the violence or ready for the threats of violence. What I wasn't ready for   was the state persecution.  

I had no idea of the lengths they would go to. Not just me.   They arrested me. They arrested my ex wife when she was six months pregnant. They put her on charges. They end end up getting her on charges for tax and then making me plead guilty to charges I hadn't even done for mortgage fraud in order to drop charge against her. Yeah. And what I was witnessing, I just thought, oh my god. They can do what they want. And I was never getting a jury. So each case I'm getting put before judges and I'm just getting banged back in jail, put in solitary confinement against all the laws of the prison. You're not allowed to be in solitary confinement for more than fourteen days. I've just come out now after doing seven months sat in the room on my And all these things I think   I I can take the punch.  

I can take the threat of violence, but they're going for the mind and they've continually done it. And having no peace of mind or having the state and all the fears of it is constant weight and I guess that that's where they were targeting and they were targeting everywhere. Tax investigations, money investigations,   froze my assets, froze my banks, closed my banks, impossible to live. They make it impossible.   I wasn't ready for that. I didn't realize I fought the country I live in,   I realized very quickly it's a different country.   I thought I lived in the birth of freedom and democracy. Rule of law. I thought English law is celebrated around the world. There is no English.  

There's a legal system, not a justice system. And when that legal system puts a target on you, it doesn't matter. They're coming. Okay. They're doing you. And they're doing you to set an example of you. And with me, they've wanted to set an example to send a message to everyone else, but it's backfired  

[01:15:48] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

because I'm a stubborn little shit and it hasn't worked. So walk me through the last five years. You were in jail in '19, deplatformed everywhere.  

[01:15:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

You come out still deplatformed. Come out still deplatformed and done the most important work I've ever done. Which is why. Done a five part series called The Rape of Britain. Okay. And what I thought is, do you know, say for example in Telford.   So people who understand the scale of the rape scandal,   yeah, Telford has a 1.7%   Muslim population, which means there's not many there. Yeah? Lewton's 50%. Okay? 50. 50. Wow. Telford's 1.7. Seven. Okay. Now the police identified   200 men that have been raping in Telford.   They identified 1,000 victims, five of them are dead. Yep. This is how big the problem is. Alright? Now if you take Telford and you take the Muslim community, which is about three and a half thousand, and you get rid of the women and you get rid of the under sixteens   and the kids,   you've got about a thousand men. So the police I'm looking at it thinking, well, the police have identified 200.  

Now they put me in jail to stop the grooming scandal and to stop us talking about it. I'm going for it. Yeah. So I spent twelve to eighteen months when I come out of prison, I spent twelve to eighteen months in the town of Telford. And I sat down and got to know survivors and their families. And I'd interview them for three hours, four hours, three times, four times. Yeah. And I built a database and we'd done a police style investigation.   And I take the credit for it because people see me, but behind me there was a team of volunteers. Yeah.   And we got and I remember when I went to Telford and I had all the local lads say, you need to be careful up here, Tom. Yeah. They run this town. And I was saying, I think, 1.7%.  

How the hell ain't you lot smashing these lot, yeah, for what they're doing? And I think we were having a go in Lewin, and we're 50%. Yeah. We were having a proper go with them for years. We didn't take their share. They knew that there was a consequence.   But I'm looking in 1.7,   and they control the whole town. Everyone shit scared them. They're like a mafia.   For how have you not stood up to these men? What's happened to us? What's happened to the communities? Where's the English men? And that's all that's going on. So I sit down and interview all these girls,   and I built this database.  

When the men were named by three   girls that don't know each other, that was my I'm coming. Yeah? And what what the purpose of this was for?   In Telford, the police identified 200, but they only prosecuted 11. Yeah. As I started doing this investigation, I'd built a wall of the men.   And some were in the CPS, some were in the police, some were labor counselors.   This is the level of interaction within the Pakistani mafia. That's what it was like. No wonder they got it on lock. Yeah. Everywhere you turn, they're all interlinked. And the banally   gang was what this gang were called in Telford, the banally's.  

Now   I had my purpose was   I meet these girls and these survivors   and it might they might have been raped fifteen years ago. They're still suicidal.   They're still drinking. They're still struggling. They're still looking over their shoulder. They still haven't got a minute's peace. And I was looking at the gangs. Gangs. They were driving fucking Porsches.   They've all got successful businesses. They don't give a shit.  

[01:18:45] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

So the purpose of the film was to make them give a shit. Yeah? Yeah. I've seen your interviews. I mean, I've watched the pieces. People gonna see who you are, lads. They're in the car and you're interviewing through the window. And you're saying three different girls  

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all independently named you. What do you have to say for me? What do you gotta say for yourself? And the purpose for my purpose, just to be honest, was to expose it. I want the neighbors to know who he is. Right. When he walks down the street, yeah, people gonna look at you now, Charlie. His name was Charlie.   People are now gonna look at you. People know what you've done. Yeah. And I was sure of it because three girls that don't know each other have said it. And the frustrating thing was we we uncovered police corruption. Police were working with the gangs. In fact, the police the main police officer, inspector Jim Bayless, who I find in the documentary and questioned him.   The case is collapsed under his leadership. Yeah. Then we find out he's working with the gangs. He's spotted with the gangs. Yeah. We put trackers on their cars, including the police officers' cars. Yeah. We we You you go above and beyond. Yeah. We will go above and beyond. Yeah. We secretly record people. Yeah. You track them. But we knew it. I I knew you see that again? And I had some gangsters ring me up, so there's another gangster in that town. One of the main Pakistani gangsters. And he rang me up because you're Tommy, man. What the fuck? He goes, bruv, I ain't a groomer. I said, I know you're not. I said, I know everything about everyone here. Yeah. I said, I know they're your mates, mate, but I know there's not one single allegation against you. You go, oh, and he must have been so happy. He goes, you're not gonna I said, I'm not I'm not getting named then, Tommy. No one's naming me. I said, mate, I've spoke to everyone. I know who the rapists are, and I know who they're not. But what I wanted to do so I put all the faces of the rapists. Yeah? Because we can only cover a certain amount in the work we're doing, but I wanted them all to think,   shit. Yeah. And they all started selling their businesses. And, I mean, they must they must have charted their own flights to Pakistan. Yeah. Literally, they all left. They all left. But they knew they and for me, I thought, yeah. Well, good. But then I didn't think about the because they blew my car up. They went to my mom's. And then I started thinking, maybe this is why no journalist takes them on. Because literally, they come. And and and then I had them. So my mom I went my mom said the neighbor knocked and said a car was video   so the neighbor videoed a a car of Muslims outside my mom's house and they were videoing her house. So I took the registration plate, paid the private investigator,   got the address of the Muslim lad,   which was Dudley,   and then I looked him up on social media,   and we found the best private investigator. So we found everything. Yeah. We were on them. Like literally, we knew where they were. We knew how they're laundering their money. How how ain't the police doing them? Yeah. But we got so intact on this gang. And then they're ringing me up, threatening my kids, threatening the schools, saying they're gonna rape them. All these things. Police don't do anything. Then they're smashing up and blowing up the victims houses.  

Right? It went mad. And and I thought for years I've always talked about Islam, but I've never made it personal. With this gang, I made it personal.   But when they went to my mom's house, so again there's only one language I understand. So they went to my mom's house   and then within the two days, within forty eight hours, I was at his front door. And I just knocked at his front door and his nephew answered. I said, where's his man?   He goes, what are you doing here? I said, ring him now and tell him I'm here. What's he going to my mom's house for? And I looked him up on social media and he's friends with all the rapists. So we know I know what it's about. I said tell it and then and then he tried saying started trying saying that it solved the car. I said, hey, man. I said, listen, man. I know where your mama, I know where your family are. I said, it's like, I could have come here with a 100 men. I said, but you're not gonna be terrorizing my family. It's just not gonna happen. Not without repercussions.   But that's the only way you've had you have to live with them. And at the same time then, all the pressure that comes with it, and it does work.  

It it does work. So that would that took us on the grooming gang scandal. We made a five part series. If you wanna watch these films, you can watch them at trfilms.co.uk.   There do you know how frustrating it is when you're making the most important   stories, giving a voice to the most forgotten people,   and if you're censored.   And you're sent when I sat in Jarvis most recently about a film I made,   Elon Musk shared,   Nicole was the first story we told. A wonderful young girl, beautiful young girl who was impregnated at 13 when she was raped. A 100% DNA matched for the rapist. He didn't get prosecuted.   Her life was destroyed by these gangs.  

Elon Musk shared her film. It was the most I sat in jails, like, mate, the world's talking about this issue.   It's happening. It's worked.   All that hard work of not me, do you know how many survivors? So people get to hear my story. Do you know Sammy Woodhouse? I look at these survivors   that   that have told the stories,   stood in the fire's way.   Even Raj Meehaw, do you know him? No. Get him on. Yeah. Okay. Muslim lad in Oldham.   Mate, I know what it's like to talk out against these gangs. He's took them all on. He's still living in Oldham. I'll be dead if I was still living around them. Them. He's still in the middle of it. Taking them on, showing who they are, exposing them. So I think there's so many people who have not had any not just recognition,   but they've been attacked.  

Like the amount of people or whistleblowers that might have tried to be whistleblowers, they just got shut down by the police, persecuted by the authorities, all of them were part of the cover up. So where we are now, we're in a very different place now and and again, I'm a different man. I'm 42 years old, father of three, 25 when I started EDL. I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot, probably matured a lot. What have you learned? Well, I've I've learned that we live in a totally corrupt society.   We live in a total corrupt society.  

And but what I've learned   is that   they've tried to crush every voice that's come forward,   and our movement's voice is now louder than ever. And that if you can resist   resist it I'm meant to be the most hated man in Britain.   That's what they've tried to make me. All I get is love. Now. From the the moms now you said. From the moms. Yeah. I used to get punched in the even from Muslim ads. You give me love? Let me mate, I'll show you this. This is just this morning on the train.   They give me lots of them because remember, I'm not saying every Muslim is a rapist. That's all. Far from it. Yeah? Imagine how frustrated you'd be if you was a Muslim lad and all this is going on in your community's name. Right. So this is me. This is an eleven minute conversation. I record everything. Yeah? So you're gonna say with the friend then? He's a Pakistani lad on the train. And he starts talking to you? All of them do now. And he's like, Tommy, man. And then when we were talking to him, he's like, yeah. Fair. And they think you're not as bad as I said, no. I'm not. But what I explained to him is, do you love your sister? He said, yeah. So you've got lots of nieces you love? He said, yeah. I said, what if white men were taking them and raping them?   What would you do?  

He's like I said, well, that's what's happening to our kids, mate. Yeah? And then when we try and talk about it, what we're racist, are we? I said, I don't care what you call us. We don't care anymore. And then he was actually really understanding. He was a nice lad. Good job. I said, yeah. But you're not and then he said, yeah. But I'm a Pakistani. I said, yeah. I said, let me make the point to you, Buff. You're a Pakistani.   3%   of the country is Pakistani.   Thirty three percent of child defects at birth are Pakistani.   That's because you decide to marry your cousins because your prophet married his cousin. Now seventy six percent of Pakistani Muslims in Bradford marry their cousins. Yeah. That, when you make up 2%, 3% in the country, the country may be able to afford for these problems. Yeah. Your demographic is exploding.  

We can't continue with this. These problems need to be addressed.   48%   of 16 to 16 year old Muslims don't work. Now a small community, that might work. When you become 20%, it doesn't. The state's gonna collapse.   40,000 British Muslims are on a terror watch list. What do you wanna do about them? Tell you what I wanna do. I wanna get rid of them. Yeah. 3%   3,000 Muslims   are monitored twenty four hours a day, seven days a week at cost of £9,000,000,000   a year. And half of them have got dual nationality. They gotta go, mate. They've got to go. 22% of British Muslims want Sharia law in this country. That's a million Muslims that need to need to leave. I'm not gonna mix my words with you. You seem like a nice guy. Yeah. But I had this whole conversation with him. What do you want me as a non Muslim, as an Englishman?   What do you want me to think about this? I'll tell you what I'm gonna think. They've got to go, and I'm not gonna apologize for that. Yeah. This mindset and this barbaric   alien culture   does not belong here, mate. Yeah. You can come here, have a great life. I'm not saying every Muslim needs to leave. What I'm saying is at some point, this country is gonna have to look around and decide what future it wants. Do you wanna become an Islamic country, or do you want to become or stick to your Christian values? We need to refind who we are. We need to refind and rediscover ourselves. And as I'd say as British men, the problem is that the the the government and the establishment   now have   is they managed to weaken us, they managed to dumb us down, and they managed to make us in fear.  

But it's part of British spirit to fight.   There are and people are waking up. And I don't think they're ready for it. And I don't think they understand. And I've watched for years and said, you see all these people have been wronged and all these people who think like us, but they've been too scared to say it. When that bubble bursts,   they're not gonna be saying it. They're gonna be screaming it. Right. And the government should have listened twelve months ago after Southport riots. They should have listened. They should have said to the country, we get it. Your women are scared. Women are being raped across the country. We're gonna help you. Yeah. We're gonna address this problem. We're gonna stop and close the borders. We're gonna stop importing these rapists, but they didn't. They called everyone racist and told them to shut up or they send them to jail.   That's not gonna work.  

K? We're at the same position now. Did it work? Are we scared? You we're gonna lock you up in jail. We don't care.   That it doesn't matter because the risk to the country and the risk to our country our children, the risk to our women far outweighs the fear of us. You I'm worried about going to jail, not as worried as I am about what Britain looks like in twenty years' time.   I'll sit in jail. My kids need to grow up in a safe and prosperous country that has a Christian culture and identity   that's not dominated by Islam and that doesn't continue its open border policy to men with alien cultures.   Afghanis, we just bought a 100,000. 99%   of Afghanis in Afghanistan want Sharia law. They don't leave that view on the border.  

Oh, they don't come in but just become liberal and westernized.   It's a problem. So all these and people don't wanna hear this conversation, unfortunately, or they haven't.   Now they do because they can see the problem and it's time for strong leadership and at least strong words and and someone's got and I've always said, you see when people when when they look,   when the average British man realizes   the level they have fucked this country   to, when they realize they've took the safety of your women, your daughter is not safe anymore walking down the street in her hometown, even in villages like,   like in in Essex now, what's going on? They're not safe. When the British man realizes that   and looks at that government and realizes you absolutely destroyed our country,   you allowed this to happen, you actually purposely did this,   There's gonna be a level of rage that they they are not ready for. Are things changing? You got a national  

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inquiry   about the rape gangs, or do you? You said they're not gonna follow through that, but they've acknowledged it for the first time ever.  

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To to them first, so the national inquiry. Yeah?   Oldham, where this come out of, Rajmiya needs a you should sit down with Rajmiya. Get one. Okay.   Rajmiya   was fighting in Oldham. Parents were fighting in Oldham   to get an inquiry.   Oldham, 33% Muslim population, Labour Council.   Five times, they voted down in the council against   any inquiry.   So we've had an inquiry in Telford. It wasn't a national one with statutory power.   It was a solicitor led one. Now Telford has one  

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Point seven percent Muslim population. That's why we got an inquiry. Yeah?   Rotherham has 3.7%   Muslim population.   Now if we got 1,400 victims in Rotherham and a thousand in Telford, there's no Muslims in those towns.   You're never gonna get the figures in Oldham, where it's 33   Muslim population. You're never gonna get the figures in Bradford. They're gonna be covering up. Yeah?   So in Oldham, they're fighting   for this inquiry, and the Labour Council keep voting it down. And literally, there's videos. I'm gonna use this in my next documentary I'm making a documentary about. The families are being dragged out of the council   building screaming and crying because they want this inquiry. They want to to to, investigate what's happened, and they just shut it down. So then what happens is at the local elections,   independent stand and say, we will give an inquiry.  

So then they get in and they say, right. We're having an inquiry.   This is what happened when I was in jail. So then the local council go to the Labour government and say, we want an inquiry. What does Jess Phillips do? She fucking shuts it down again. Labour, again, shut it down. This is what blew the whole situation up with Elon Musk because they shut down the inquiry again. And then what they say is, we'll have these little inquiries. Now you see the little inquiries, which is what they've done in Telford. If they don't give statutory power,   it means that there's no power to summons under oath,   on oath,   for police officers and council officers and social services. So if they had statutory power, they get the police officer. What did you know? Yeah? If they lie, they get in two years. Right? So that's the only way to get the truth. Now in Telford,   what they did   was   they tried to get an inquiry, and the council,   including the Labour MP,   wrote to Amber Rudd, who was conservative home secretary, and blocked it. I've got the letter. I've got their signatures on the letter.  

They wrote and blocked it. So then they blocked it. So then they had a solicitor led inquiry, which has no power.   So even though we had an inquiry in Telford, which was devastating,   we didn't actually get the real information because the real people are protected because there's no statutory power. So what labor are cleverly trying to do is give four little inquiries that have no power. So we don't understand the dirt in the police force. We don't understand social services. We can't get the truth.   Right? That's what they're still trying to do. So they're still trying to make it look like there's an inquiry. But if they allow an inquiry, if they do,   say for example in Rochdale,   Rochdale when there was a rape gang scandal and there was 100 victims,   well, counselor Hussain for the Labour Party   went to court and gave a character reference for the rapists.  

He went to court as a local Labour representative and said, no, this rapist is a lovely bloke. I know. Yeah. So the girl that was raped in his community, he's her representative and he went to court to defend the rapist. The ex Labour mayor of Bolton went to court to defend the rapist. Now what happened to councillor Hussain after he gave a statement for rapists of kids? He didn't lose his job. He got accelerated through the Labour Party. In Oldham, what happened to the man whose job it was to protect kids for the Labour Party? He's in jail. He was one of the rapists.   In Rotherham,   councillor Jaglia, who was the main uncle of the main rapist for the Rotherham scandal, who got the biggest sentence out of any in the country, he was active with the gangs.  

So if we have a real inquiry   that has statutory power, what we're gonna find out is that it was a labor rate gangs. They weren't just Muslim rate gangs. They were labor's Muslim rate gangs in every town of the city. Labor are in the middle of it. They're in bed with it. When they weren't covering up, they were involved in it, and none of them   cared. So that's why there's been the mass cover up because of how dirty all their hands are. So and and for me So would a conservative government be No. They don't wanna do this either. That conservative government were in power for fourteen years. They didn't wanna do it either. None of them wanna do it. They were all part of it. All of them were part of it. Right. All of them were part of the cover up. Every police force, every every every single political party   were all part of it. Happened in London too, do you think? Well, this is the thing. We've we've got 55 cities where it's happened, they say. Yeah? Lewin's not in that city. Well, I don't know about 50 victims.  

My cousin was one of them. So there we've had 55 cities where there's been arrests.   In every single community where there's a Muslim community, these gangs are active. Now Muslims make up 5% of The UK population,   84%   of the convictions for this   gang level grooming. Yeah. 30% of the men convicted are called Mohammed.   Why? You're not allowed to ask that question or you're an Islamophobe or you get shut down, you get attacked.   And why? Why are the Sikhs not doing it? How come there's no Sikh gangs doing this? How come they're all Muslim? How come there's no Hindu gangs? How come the Sikhs are victims? The Hindus are victims. The Christians are victims. We're all victims. Of the we   literally got groups that have been imported into our nation   that are raping   their way for every town to see. And it's not like and the people are now seeing this. Where has they hid it? Now everyone can see it. It. You can see it in the hotels, the sexual assaults and the rapes coming out of the migrants in the hotels. They're being imported in. They're covering up. The one in Portsmouth recently. The one in Epping. Like, literally in fact, again, I just I challenge anyone to do this. You can do this now. Go put in refugee rape Lester. It'll bring up case after case. Refugee   rape refugee rape Manchester. It'll bring up refugees in Manchester who have been convicted of rape. Refugee rape leads. So what is the government's job? First and foremost, to protect the British people. I don't care about some Somali, if I'm honest, or some Afghani on a boat. I care about the British women and their safety, our women,   and our families who have sacrificed for this nation.  

And we've got politicians that give that care more about Gaza.   They talk more about Gaza.   Do you know it's four four times as many British MPs blocked wrote letters to block me getting entry to America than they've ever mentioned grooming.   So   but we are whilst I'll be so negative and everything is negative,   we are in a position now where the public are awake. There is a revolution brewing in Great Britain. You feel it. I can feel it and see it. In the last couple years since you went to prison this last time. The last twenty four months has really accelerated.  

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There's a Christian revival coming. Something is happening. And The United States as well. How much of this is driven by the Trump revival?   Trump just sat down with Starmer,  

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in Scotland, and he's saying your borders are a mess. Trump shut the borders down to zero. Zero people? Zero. But what that shows what does that show by? It shows that they can stop it. There's no will to stop it. They don't wanna stop it. With leadership and a vision. But there is a voice doesn't care. And courage. Yeah. Which none of them have. They'll they'll find courage because they're all cowards. Yeah? They'll they'll ride the wave when it comes because it's coming. And there ain't gonna be no stopping it. There is gonna be no stopping it. What's happening now, the swing from left to right, they can't stop. No one can stop it. I think you lock us up in jail, you think that's gonna stop it. All you've done is accelerate it. You've awoken more people than I could ever dream of by my last imprison sentence. Really? And my last prison sentence was for making a film. I'm a journalist. Yeah. I made the film. I'm unapologetic. You made the film silenced. You showed it in Trafalgar Square. You were told not to and they put you in jail.   I I'm still gagged now.  

I've done enough. I'm still gagged now where if I went into details about this,   I'll be straight back in jail for two years.   Freedom of speech. I'm a journalist.   I made a film. In my statement to the judge when I made the film, when I went to court, I said, look, if this puts me on the wrong side of the law, because people say, well, he broke the law. I'm a journalist. I believe in free speech. I believe the British public should have the truth. Now if they've used an NDAs, they which I proved in my documentary, they were paying people not to tell the truth. How many other instance are you being lied to about? How many other stories are you being lied to about? How many other stories the the media who all knew the truth in the situation I spoke about but none of them   reported it. Now I believe that citizen journalists are the answer to our problem. Shows like yours, Brian, are the answer, which is why you were censored, deplatformed,   and totally eradicated during the the height of their biggest lie and scandal of COVID. Yeah? There's reasons why people like us have come under attack. The problem for them was it used to be just David Icke, Alex Jones, you, me. Now there's an army.  

You can't stop it. The citizen journalists were out of control at you. Everyone's picking one of these up. It's the most encouraging site I've ever seen. I think   who goes to BBC for their news anymore? You go to x, you follow a citizen journalist, you follow a live stream. They can't stop it. Well, they're trying to stop it with the in the harms bill now. They just bought in trying to limit what you can see. Yeah. They wanna get What do you make of that? The online protecting bill and all this other nonsense? Year olds are old enough to vote, but that's what they're saying, and make decisions. But then they're hiding from 16 year olds any of the videos and content, which would allow them to make their mind up to actually make a a correct vote. So I think his total censorship is total control. Again,   if you look at when Trump got elected in 02/2016,   they lost control. Yeah? When I say they, the establishment,   it started with Modi in India before Trump. Modi was elected as nationalist leader. The media hated him. The establishment hated him. He won. Yeah? Trump gets elected, then they realize shit. Okay? We need to get that power. So they take over big tech. They take over Facebook. They take over mail. They take over all of them. They take over YouTube.  

They start picking people off who are influencing and showing the truth. They get rid of them all.   Fast forward now, Elon Musk buys x. I think Elon Musk will be remembered as   not for sending things up in space, but for saving freedom of speech.   There's a battle going on. Imagine now we didn't have Donald Trump in America. Imagine we didn't.   Imagine what the censorship levels would be right now. Now Britain can't and the European Union is struggling. They want to bring in total authoritarian rule and total censorship. But now they've got a White House who are telling them, you must give free speech. Yeah. And stop prosecuting our our companies. Stop prosecuting our companies. And he's leading by example,  

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breaking down all   the woke stuff and the DEI. By the way, Trump reversed that in sixty days. Pardon? And all the corporations dropped it, and the people dropped it. It's that turning point, like you said. Right when it's ready to go, you realize, wait a second. We've all we've all thought this was bullshit for so long, but nobody was brave enough to say it. And you think that's happening now in Britain? It's ice mac happening that You think the British man is finally waking up and is willing to take If you look some responsibility?   Yeah. There's an uprising coming that they have no idea is coming. And I just think you do you have no idea Because I worry about Europe Europe, Tommy, because there's I don't see a Trump in The UK, and I don't see a Trump in Europe, and I see these decaying   socialist economies going down the tubes. Now Britain's an exception,  

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because it's not grouped in with Europe. But but you don't think we need the leader, you think it's happening anyways. I believe that in Because without Trump, this wouldn't have happened. None of it's happening. There's gonna be a ripple effect coming out. No. It's already happening. I walked out of jail this time. Yeah. Recently, eight months ago, nine months ago ever, and my YouTube channel is back. That's wild.   I was banned. Do you know what? My interview with Jordan Peterson, my interview with lots of people was limited in being shared. All of a sudden when I come out, all the all the limitations are taken off. Now where does that come from? That's come from Trump. It's come from the White House. Yeah. It's come from free speech. Now it's not under total control because many of us are still censored. I'm still censored on Facebook and these social medias, but that shift, that ripples come in. Now if you look, who's the future leaders of Europe? Yeah? Who are who do we look to? You don't look to Angela Merkel and these sorts of people anymore or Macron or any of that. I'd look to Eastern Europe. I'll look to Viktor Orban. We're all gonna look to Poland. We're gonna look to these countries. Santiago,   the leader of Vox, Vox will end up winning the election in Spain.  

They all all the fastest growing political movements in Europe, Gert Wilders won the election in Holland. When we started our activism, when I started in 02/2009,   the Swedish Democrats were 1% of the vote. They're now on 23.   What's the Swedish Democrats policy? Islam's gotta stop. We'd stop Islamic immigration. We we we need mass migrate, mass we need remigration.   What's Germany? The AFD just got 21% of the vote. Remigration was their slogan. When we say remigration,   they let in a million Syrians. Well, what they're saying is, time to go.   You're not integrating, you're not assimilating, and to be honest, any of the refugees in The UK have come through 16 safe nations. Yeah. We're not willing to sacrifice our kids for free future anymore. This is our country, not yours. Okay. It's not if you're a Somalian, it's not your country. I'm sorry. Yeah. It's not. Your family have sacrificed nothing for this country.  

Ours have. It's our country. We got to a position where we were too scared to even say it's our country.   London's our capital. Right? It's not Pakistan. It's not Afghanistan.   It's Britain. It's England.   How have we even got to a point where we're scared to say that? We want what's right for us. And there's a Christian revival coming. I watched it.   I watched it. And and what I see now, I've come on a total shift as well. I had a experience in jail with a pastor there where I started searching myself.   But what I saw is that   Islam has filled a void,   and Christianity has been under attack. The family has been under attack.  

And when you have no belief,   it's easy for somebody to fill it. Whether it be communism, Marxism,   LGBTQ plus agendas, all these things, when you have no value. And I laughed and when I look at Russia and the West, I think, well, what is western values? What a rainbow flag. Yeah? You need a strong sense of identity, and Islam gives this. Yeah? So when I watched our demonstration   in June, the first one, United Kingdom. And when I say I've learned a lot with the English Defence League, our demonstrations now, there's no face coverings. There's no alcohol. Yeah. We're not we're coming you come for a celebration of identity. Okay. We come for a family day out and we can't and I know that you see what the government would love is people turn up with masks on. They instigated. You saw in Epping recently where they bust in the left. They bust in Antifa wearing masks to provoke reactions of violence, then the media can act as a weapon to portray the innocent families in Epping who are scared about the migrants to portray them as bad violent criminals, you know, violent thugs or far right. That's how they win. So in our last demonstrations to prevent January 6, look at January 6, They infiltrated. It was government led, FBI. It's all proven. Yeah. Well, that's what they do. We know that's what they do. In the riots after Southport last year, go go watch the riots in Sunderland   when they set fire to the police station. It's 10 people wearing all black. You can't even see their skin. It's the police. I'm telling you. It's government groups. Google special demonstration squad. There's a squad that our government had that infiltrate peaceful protests in order to provoke riots. And then they provoke the riots in order to demonize and slander and to make sure that no one listens to you. So special they've done it in the evenings, Fence League. I watched it for years. I watched it. I could see it. Yeah. So what we do now is if you You have an event coming up September 13 in London. It's gonna be the biggest event this country's in. And you said bring your family, bring your kids. Bring your bring your smiles. I was like, woah. Bring your smiles. Bring your smiles. Bring your smiles. It's a celebration. We've had three. Yeah? And the first one do you know what we've done? So if you wear a mask, we're gonna take that off you. Yeah? You are not turning up to our event covering your face. We're proud of what we're standing for. Yeah? This is changing times. We're not ashamed. And if you if you're worried about your job and you feel we need to cover your face, don't come. Because you're gonna do our cause a disservice. You're gonna do your country a disservice. So we have explained to people and and   and really appeal to people. Do you see the anger they're feeling?  

It's justified.   You see the men who charge through the streets, the young British men. I get it. I was one of them. Yeah.   Someone needs to channel the anger, harness it, and direct it in the right way. So I remember when the riots going on last summer, I made a video saying to lads,   take the palaklava's off the kids. They're gonna go to jail. But I was one of those kids. But, like, I understand why you're angry. Yeah. But you that's how they win.   If we wanna win the hearts and minds of this country, and we wanna put the fear of God into those traitors in parliament,   then come and be happy. Yeah? And show the biggest mobilization of people and send a message to them that we control who we are. We control how we behave. And John, what's happened in the last twelve months   or twenty eighteen months. We've built a fabulous relationship from having the worst relationship   eighteen months ago with the Metropolitan Police Force. I mean, like, patriots across this country hated the Metropolitan Police Force, and there was clashes every time. And what happened   was they'd play us against each other because the average police officer does not hate us, and they are on the front line. We're pro police. We support them. Yeah. Their hands are tied behind their back. And I and you know when I went recently, I was so when I was detained for making that film,   I was detained on October 25. We had a massive demonstration October 26. I'm sat in the police station in Phoenix though, where I'm being held till court. So they blocked me going to the demonstration.  

09:00, 10:00 in the morning, pictures started coming down to the police cell. And the police officers   were were printing off photos of our of people gathering for our event. At 11AM, the door opened and it was a police woman with a live stream of of,   TikTok saying, look how many are there, Tommy. Look how many are there. Yeah? And the police were like that. And then I've come out to make my phone call at 06:00. Two sergeants are there, said you smashed it. No trouble, Tommy. No trouble. Because that's what we we so we were appealing to our people. If you see someone causing trouble, pull them. We'll police ourselves. And in the meetings with the police, I said, stay away from us. That's just stay away. If anyone steps out of line, we'll do them. No one's come to this event and get aggressive because we're not gonna let them. Yeah. And that is that shows a little element control, but it lets the public see that the image that's been portrayed of us isn't what you see when you come. So so 30,000 people come to our first 100   to the next one, two hundred to the next one. This is gonna be the biggest thing London's seen. And you know what? We've now we've got Jordan Peterson speaking.  

We've got Katie Hopkins speaking. We've got Dominic Shweski, the Polish politician. We've got representatives coming from the AfD. Flams Belang, the leading leading Belgian party.   We've got Mort Messerschmitt, leader of Danish People's Party. This was unthinkable twelve to eighteen months ago. Something's happening and also with Christianity,   I think you're gonna have half a million people to a million people chanting Christus King. Something's happening. And what's happening is people are looking and trying to rediscover what what built this country. What have we lost. Tell you what we've lost, we lost our Christian identity.   And I think the only solution to getting us out of this, and even if you're an atheist, yeah, you need to look at what built this country. You need to look at the values that it was built on and what made it great. What made people from around the world want to come here. Yeah? It wasn't being an atheist nation. It was being a Christian nation with strong Christian values. And even if you don't believe in Jesus, look at the culture that it built, look at the communities it built, and understand that we need to refine that. All all all we're in danger or that you see, no one can sit here, if you speak to   people and say, anyone knows this, any British person. Are we in a better position now than we were ten years ago? No one could say this country is going in the right direction. No one. Nobody. Mass deportations was unthinkable. That phrase was unthinkable twenty four months ago. Look how far look how far the over and window shifted.  

Where we're gonna be in twenty four months? What where we need to be is strong, resilient.   We need to be talking, which is why we're having a free speech festival. Because you see, if we all just spoke openly, if every single person, I said I've said it for years,   if the public were aware of the danger and the future that's gonna happen to Britain with the mass Islamic immigration,   there'd be a revolution tomorrow. K? So we've gone through an education set periods where we're trying to awaken people. And I just saw the latest figures that says 48% of the public now realize Islam is incompatible with British values.   48%, that's good. We're getting somewhere. People are listening. People understand   the truth, the reality. Again, it's not saying that every Muslim is a problem. It's just saying that we need to the more Islam, the less freedom. What is what are my friends or some of my friends,   in The Emirates watching this right now who are Islamic and who have their country? And they're looking at Tommy, and they're thinking, what am I supposed to think about this guy? What are they supposed to think of the statements that you make? Well, you you you have your Islamic country and you're happy for it to be Islamic country, and you won't want anyone to come in there telling you how to live your life. Yeah? We have our Christian country. It's our country. And in fact, they have a very good handle on things in The United Arab Emirates. Understand that I think The UAE is a very poor example in an Islamic country because it's a country that's grounded in wealth. Let's look at Afghanistan and see what it's like there. Let's look at Iran and see what's like there. What's the freedom like? What's it like for non Muslims in those countries? What's it like for the non Muslims in Nigeria? Yeah. Where they're getting massacred by by groups every day in The Congo now where they're getting massacred. What's it like? So I think but The United Arab Arab Emirates ban   Muslim Brotherhood. They ban Hisbateer.  

They know how to deal with these groups. They are a very wealthy nation. They don't allow the immigration problems that we allow, and they actually try warning us. So I don't think that it's a very They have warned. There's a famous speech You see from the Yeah. Where he said And even even Saudi Arabia now. Now. The new king of Saudi Arabia is   trying to reform.   I think that a lot of those nations understand. And in fact, if you look at the alliance,   they stand with America, Israel on many issues now. Yeah? They understand the problems that come from literal   Islam. And I'll take Qatar. The United Arab Emirates aren't spreading the Wahhabi, Salafi's sex as much that as Qatar are. Qatar are a massive problem.  

Qatar and the funding that comes from Qatar is partly the problem why we face so many problems in in Europe. They've destroyed France, all the money coming out of Qatar. Is the ultimate enemy or one of the biggest enemies this political correctness, this wokeism  

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to where people   censor themselves and feel like I can't say the obvious of what these guys are doing in my community and what they're doing to the girls. I mean, and the way they've taken,   you know, demasculated  

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the men and taken the family out of the society and taken the religion out of the society. I mean, is that all a factor as well? I'd say the fear is real and I don't blame the people for having that fear. Remember, I wore a mask. Yeah. So I had that fear. Okay. I had properties and businesses that I didn't wanna lose. Yeah. So I didn't willingly put my face up. Yeah. I was the same as that person. Yeah. Now what they've done is they've managed to get the whole of society financed up to the neck. Yeah. And living on the need for the job and no one can lose the job. Right. So people have, first and foremost, they wanna protect their family, so I don't blame them. I understand it. Yeah. I understand why they're scared. And they're rightfully scared because they have all these NGO organizations that make sure you do lose your job, yeah, if you speak out. So they've managed to they don't need to bring in laws against free speech. They just scare the hell out of you, and people look people know.   Do we live do you do you hear anyone saying anymore? It's a free country.  

No one says anymore. No. It's not. We've come to the we we now know it's not. We don't have free speech. You will lose your job. So I don't blame people. But the problem is, that is the mass problem. There's everyone just spoke openly,   but they they   are now. Do you know five years ago,   ten years ago, do you know how lonely it was   trying to talk about Islam? Do you know the consequences?   And people would wanna spit on you, punch her. Her. Even non Muslims would be attacking   you. That's shifted.   Now so many commentators, so many political commentators,   now politicians.  

Yeah. You see Rupert Lowe now leading the charge in parliament.   Do you know if I think if   if up towards a million people turn out on September 13, do you know how many conservative MPs that will give courage to?   That are probably in politics, that have fought the way we think, but they've all been too scared to say it. Well, that bubble's   bursting. It's it's definitely bursting.   And it's encouraging   to see how many people are starting to speak up, how many commentators and present presenters on radio and TV, and now how many citizen journalists there are that are openly speaking about and having these conversations. We need more speech, more free speech. We need to understand and educate on on what we face and people need to understand the real dangers of what we face. And   we have I've I think we're a pivotal moment in this country's history where where we're running out of time.  

We're running out of time. We either get a grip of this now, next twenty four months, thirty six months, or we may have lost our country forever. Because the demographic will change   through democracy,   we lose.   We're gonna   lose. And and we're a minority. I looked at them. The the figures for the Muslim community in Manchester   after the salmon salmon abode bombing went up to Manchester and started looking. And I stood in one place, in one location. And within a three mile radius of where I stood, 22 Muslims had gone to fight for ISIS. Like, what?   What is going on? That's in Manchester. I never thought Manchester are having real bit of bad problems. And then I started looking at the Didsbury Mosque where Sam Wahnebani went to. Yeah. And I went in there, and I've got a leaflet. And I went in there to see the Oman because they said come and ask questions. And they all they all got security. But I went in there, and they had the music made me do it. And I looked at all the extremist preachers they've had there. So they had a big banner on the side of the mosque saying, we love Manchester.  

I thought you cheeky bastards. Yeah. Preacher after preacher promoting hatred against non Muslims, execution of homosexuals, murder people who leave Islam. Yeah. This is what being promoted in this mosque whilst having a sign saying, we love Manchester. They're all bullshitting us. Yeah. In the same mosque. So when I went into the mosque, there was a leaflet that said the music made me do it. So I picked the leaflet up. Bear in mind, this terrorist just targeted,   Ariana Grande concert. So I read the leaflet and I looked at how many of these leaflets were sent from a place in Birmingham. They sent to mosques across the country. And they were talking about   music being satanic.  

This is in the mosques. So all these problems are going on in towns and cities. And when I looked at Manchester, the Muslim community went from 25,000   to 50,000.  

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Over ten years. Yep. The next ten years, it went from 50,000   to a 100,000,   ten years later.   Then another ten years, that's gonna be 200,000.   In another ten years, Manchester is gone.   That's how quickly it's gonna happen. So and and that's without the Excel. When I went through the figures, I've wrote a new book called Manifesto   where I look at everything because everything that's happening is meant to happen. They're planning. They're doing it. Yeah? They're replacing us. This is a mass population. Any way to reverse those kind of numbers? It's like a geo By 02/1941, we're a minority of Britain. By 02/1941.   And and there there could be a solution with direct democracy. So what they always spoke about direct democracy historically   until we had the technology to do it. Once we had the technology for it, because we can now. I'll tell you what, do you wanna fund Ukraine? Ask the public. No. We don't. Yeah. Do you wanna go to war? No. We don't. Do you wanna close your borders? Yes. We do. Tomorrow, the borders should be closed. If we're a democratic nation, ask the public what they want, yeah, on the major issues. But we're not a democratic nation. We don't wanna be funding Ukraine, the war. We don't want our people dying. We don't want all these things, but they don't ask us. We don't matter. It's all a facade. That that parliament's bullshit.  

650   traders in there. But is it too late?   And it's it's never too late.   We're but we are accelerating towards   a gun park that where it's gonna be there. There's no solution to our problems without chaos.   When the first elected European parliament group get in   that decide they need to mass deport   some of these people, which they did need Trump's doing it now. Yeah? But remember, Trump's only got America's only got one or 2% Muslim population.   Some of these countries got 15%   in Europe. There's gonna be war. They're not gonna allow it. They're not gonna allow it. So there's gonna there's no solution without chaos, but we either have chaos now where we can survive,  

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or you'll just give up and we've and we've been taken over. Couple more questions. Yep. Class bias. You're talking about working class girls as victims. You're the working class guy. Is this a harder fight when you don't have an accent like Douglas Murray? Do they put you down, the newspapers and mainstream media and all these people, because there's still class prejudice in this country? Oh, there's massive clots. See, some people don't understand this. Right. Americans don't really understand it. No. They don't get it. Until you live here for ten, twenty years, as I have, then you see it, and it's a it's a full on brainwash. I had a taxi driver to explain to me with the because all the politicians 90% of the labor politicians  

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went to private school. They're rich,  

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middle class, upper class. Yeah. But yet they're the politicians for the working class. It's it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah. There's no working class. I ran against the Labour mayor. I had this conversation with a voter, actually a Muslim lady, when she was going to vote in Stratford, and she said, well, my father was Labour and my grandfather voted Labour. I was like, these people give two shits about the worker. They hate you. They hate you. They they don't want anything to do with you. They're not here to help you. Tell me what the tax driver said. When the when the politicians get in the car, they talk about the children. Yeah.  

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They're talking about us. He said they're talking about the population. That's how they view us, the children. The children. They make decisions that are best for the children.   They view us as the children. And with the problem is we're working class because I look. I walk us a I walk us a certain way. I talk a certain way. Yeah?   But the problem is, I I sat with I think Kofi Hannan's Kofi won the European Union representatives. I I sat with his speech wire, and he was an expert on multiculturalism   apparently, and we're debating.  

So I said to him, where where do you live? Where are you he was in he was in Brussels, the European Union. I said, where were you born? He said, Exar.   So I said, Exar. Exar is 99.9%   white Christian.   You're the expert on multiculturalism.   I'm a minority in my hometown of Luton, and I I'm the expert. You can't   read a book   about building a house and think you can build a house. Yeah. None of   you experienced what we experienced. None of you have. And when we've tried to do a cry for help, I always say the English fencing was a cry for help. Yeah. It was a working class cry for help. Please listen. Please. We know our place. We know we're not governing the country, but we do expect you to listen with what the problems you've imported are affecting us. So, yeah, there's a massive class issue.   And I think many of them hate us for it. And I think all journalists are middle class. All of them. Yeah. And what they don't like is we're better than you. I'm I'm a better journalist than you. You don't like it. Anyone who actually takes time to watch our documentaries, we actually and you know what? When we find the truth, the truth's the truth. So I I done a documentary called the Phantom Rape Gang. I don't know if you watched it. It's about a Muslim who Muslims who are accused of rape by a girl in Barrow, and she was lying. She was lying. And it was me that clear and the Muslim lad, his name was Moe.  

When the when the account when the when the local politician said that I was going up there to stoke race fears, he come out publicly and said, he's the only one who cleared our names.   He's the only one that cleared our names.   So my journalism, I think the public   distrust in media is gone for Europe. It's gone for everywhere. Yeah? Once I've seen them lie and remember,   it was alright when they were a lot when they were we were being canceled and deplatformed for talking about immigration or Islam.   But when they started deplatforming   nurses and doctors, yeah,   then people started thinking, hold on a minute. Yeah. Ordinary good working people are being losing their jobs here. Something's not right here. Yeah. And then you saw the lies. We saw what they said about the vaccines. We saw what they said about the lockdowns. We saw the way the politicians lived one way and then told us to live the other. You weren't allowed to go to the family's funerals, but they were having parties and piss ups in parliament. So now everyone got to see these things, but they only saw them because of social media. Yeah? Not because of the mainstream media, because the newspapers weren't reporting it. Why weren't they reporting all the problems of big pharma? Because they're funded by big pharma. It's one big machine. Yeah? There is no free press.  

We are the free press. And the best thing is now we are the media. It's us that get the views. It's us that people want to see what to look for the truth after if there was a terrorist attack tomorrow, where do you think the British public are going forward to see what's going on? X. They're going to x. They're going to our profiles. Yeah. They know we're gonna tell the truth. They're not going to see what the BBC is saying or see what not to see what bloody Keir Starmer's got to say. I hope that's true. It's true. At least if you're under 50, that's true. Under the older people still.   Yeah. Well, no. No. No. They're losing things well. Surprisingly, Germany old people. Okay. As I said, we've aren't the demographic of our support now, the diversity of our support.  

The other point being that   I'm proud to be British, and I'm also   lived experience to see   how migration from Christian nations, even Sikh nations,   how patriotic they can be and how it can work in Britain. Yeah. So I've always got upset with the when when we speak about people speak about immigration. It's the Islamic immigration.   The problems if there was no Islamic immigration, we wouldn't even be sitting there on another debate. There would be no discussion.   No one would be moaning about the demographic replacement because no one would see it. The Sikh community in that increasing an accelerated   rate, neither the black community, one point birth rate in The UK in in Luton is 1.3 for blacks, 1.4 for for whites. Yeah? There's not gonna be an explosive change to our country. We're not gonna lose it. It's the Islamic birth rate. It's Islamic immigration. None of these debates would even be happening. There'd be no rape gangs. There'd be no terrorism. There'd be no jihad. There'd be nothing. So call it what it is. Identify the problem. Stop calling them Asian grim gangs and Muslim grim gangs. Stop calling them Pakistani, actually, because they're Muslim. Yes. Some are Pakistani, but they're they're they're Afghani. They're Somali. The majority are Pakistani because the majority of Muslims in The UK are Pakistani.  

When you go to it's Moroccans in in Holland.   We should be able to call a spade a spade. Call it the truth's the truth.   And Islamic immigration is a problem. Not Christian immigration.   I think now we need to limit all immigration because things are have got to a situation now where people are fed up. We need controlled immigration. Anyone that comes to this country has got benefit. When we looked at the recent figures of what $1.1200000000.0   pounds or whatever is on on on foreigners just sitting claiming benefits.   Why? What sort of moronic country are we? What sort of fools are we? And we're all working hard. Everyone's working hard. Everyone's struggling. And the hotels are full of bloody loads of Somalians eating three meals a day, having their heating up whilst the pensioners are freezing.  

The it's clown world.   It's total clown world. But the public are awake. So Even Trump called it out to to cure today. It's great.  

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They, they asked Musk recently,  

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what's it like to be in your head? And he said, you wouldn't wanna be in my head. I was worried for him. But, you know, when I was in jail Yeah. And I saw how because he stepped into the fight   and I saw the level of targeting of Tesla   and I just think one man,   well, I know the dark places I've been. So I can put up a we can all put on brave faces.   I know what it's like to sit feeling like you're getting attacked by the world and then worrying about the consequences of your life. There's no change in my life. I wouldn't matter if I wouldn't stop doing what I was doing ten years ago. I'm Tommy Robinson. That's never gonna change. So when Elon Musk and I was watching and I see an order attack, I know the incredible level of intelligence he has.   But everyone's human.  

Everyone's human. And I looked at him and I was worried at the time thinking,   I can only   imagine the the level of fear that anyone has when the level of corporations   and the level of power   that you're speaking against. When he's given us free speech in Britain, who is it that's trying to take our speech and how powerful are they? They're the massive corporations in the world. They control entire nations. And there's a massive battle going on now and Elon Musk has thrown himself straight in the middle of that fight. And it and that's why I admire and respect it and and think that   we wouldn't now have any speech in Britain. When the riots went on last year in Southport, the only way people got to see the Muslims writing and attacking all non Muslims was through x. If we didn't have x, we're totally under control already. It's already the game's over. Isn't that crazy? The game would have been over. Because censorship works. Censorship works. You know that. I know that. You know that because you you'd have gone for and do you know how hard is it? Because you know how hard it is. Do you know when you're making change and you've got such a belief in what you do?  

It's taken.   It's taken.   You gotta pick yourself up. Just gotta keep fighting. You gotta keep fighting. It's the only way but it doesn't mean it ain't hard. What what's it like being in your head sometimes? Being in my head?   Mental.   Absolutely  

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mental. You love but you also enjoy it. No.  

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I enjoy,   I believe it.   So I believe it.   I absolutely believe it. Wholeheartedly believe that what I'm doing is right. And I wholeheartedly believe that if we don't change this, the country's fucked. Do you ever get tired of fighting? Jesus, what's it been? Twenty years? Yeah. Twenty five years? No. I think when I see people, some people put up and they've stepped back from these fights.   Just take a break. I've I've been through this. Yeah?   I do it now. And that doesn't mean that even now, I've come out of jail. I was a wreck. So I'm coming out this time. I put on a strong face. I started trying to go   back. I was wrecked. And I lost my family, which is devastating.  

I look at what I've look at what my activism has caused for not just me, but my family. That's the regret I have. Is that kids and wife or mom and Kids, mom, ex wife. Everything. I've ruined stuff. Ruined   all all I wish I had was my family unit the way it was.  

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But here we are, But you can't make that choice. Right? You can't stop being Tommy.  

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But that's what you said. It's not I can't stop it. It's that   it's unfortunate enough now   with where we're at that my kids can see I was right as well. And they can see the love I get shown when we go places. It's not like remember   I remember the height of BLM.   My kids struggled because a lot of their friends turned on them. A lot of people turned on them. At school, it was very difficult for my daughter. Didn't you have a birthday party and none of their friends showed up? My son would no. My son would my son would there'd be 30 kids in the class and invite 29.   So my kids were isolated. My kids were separated. Because of their dad. Because their dad's never And then BL and then BLM When BLM hit off Public enemy number one. Public enemy number one. And the difference is that many of my children and my friends are black. Yeah. My kids' friends are black. But when BLM hit off, they didn't understand that. They just swore that he was the racist against BLM. Yeah. And then my daughter faced I remember at the time, my daughter faced big problems, man. And that she would had all the boys given her has hassles at school. But I just knew they're 12 year old boys. And it took two years and then all those boys were then around my house two years later. And now those boys keep saying that's great what you're doing and when I see the kids and they see me for who I am rather than what who they were told I am. I don't blame them. They're just kids. But I but when I think about what my kids had to go through,   school life's hard for kids anyway. It is. Being Tommy Robinson's daughter, being Tommy Robinson's son,   like, at the at the height of all those problems. And then I think I put my kids in that position.  

Like, they had all those. Yeah.  

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Maybe it'll make them,   stronger, Tommy.   You know?   How are they older now? They're in their teens or twenties now? Or Yeah. My daughter's 18, son's 16, other daughter's 14.  

[02:09:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Luckily, they've seen the change.   Okay. Luckily, they've seen the change. They don't see the hate because they saw a lot remember, my son was with me when lads attacked me. I'm fighting three men and he's in the car. It that my kids were there when people come up, say, when they stick holes in you, my son after that, when walked down the street, me had panic attacks all the time. And he was about nine.   So they've seen things that they should never have to see. But then at the same time,   I think that life ain't easy   and you learn everything. So I never wanted you know, I had problems at one point where I turned to drink and I turned to trying to medicate myself. You know, I was a mess.  

And I remember I went to a twenty eight day rehabilitation center and I went there for a break from life. I come out of a court case at the high court, the one I went to jail for, this story where I told the truth and they they bankrupt me. Yeah. They they ruined me. And I come out after that and it was a COVID.   There was you couldn't no hotels.   I finally need to get away, man. So I went to twenty eight day rehab. And I sat in that rehabilitation. I said to start, I'm here for a break. I need a break in my life, man. I just need to be away. But as I went around, you listen to other people's stories and I'm sitting thinking,   they're all there because of what they saw as children.  

And then I started panicking, thinking, are my kids gonna be sat in one of these rooms because of what they saw me do? So yeah.  

[02:11:09] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

So they yeah.   But they didn't. But they'll be okay.  

[02:11:14] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Yeah. They're good kids. And again, good kids. And I   I said to my son, you've got to know how to put your hands up off.   You've got to know how to put your hands up, mate. As a man, you're gonna have to learn to fight, unfortunately.   But he did. I took him boxing. He got fit,   and he's a great kid. And, and same as my daughter's, man. And now they get to see you vindicated. Imagine if they never had Do you know the first thing they went to? They come to the demonstration at Foul Square Isn't that Last year? Yeah. When I played the film as well. Yeah. So they knew I had to sit them down and say, listen,   I've got to do this, man. Because with that film that film was you see, law fair.  

Law fair is a weapon and it's been used against not just me, but if you look at what they've done to Donald Trump, if you look what they've done to gertrude builders, if you look what they've recently done to Le Pen, if you look what they've done to Alex Jones, billion pounds, it's used as a weapon to silence and destroy people. But people don't realize that. So when I made this film and I got all the proof that the whole court system is corrupt, the whole judiciary is corrupt, but I knew I was gonna go to jail and I was shitting myself. Because   solitary confinement   in those three months in 2018,   it ruined me. It really fucked me. It fucked me.  

It seems so mad because I didn't realize it coming out, but it took me years. I was fucked. Fucked. I was a different person. I was like ready to blow.   Temper, aggression,   all these different problems. When I looked at it, it was all from there. And then so then I was worried, but I wanted to play the film. So then I sat the kids down and I had to I wanted their permission. I said, because it ate me up for two years, three years. I didn't play the film and I knew I had the film. I thought I've got to play this film. So my kids come to watch me play the film.  

[02:12:50] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

And you told them beforehand that the potential repercussions. I said I'm going to jail. I know I'm going to jail. What'd they say?  

[02:12:56] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I played them a song, didn't I, at the film, which was, if you got to stand for if you don't stand for saint, you stand for nothing at all. And explained to them that   there's a right thing to do, which unfortunately in 2024   by the government establishment is seen as the wrong thing to do. Yeah. But sometimes you still gotta do it. And if and I always said as a in my years of VDL, which is why I was so good and we why we got so much done, I said if you worry about consequence, you're never gonna bring about change. So I never worried. I just went   right. I worry when I'm sat in the cell. I worry when I got a noise in my neck. Yeah. Then I worry. But I never worried. And then   I make I get the film. I go to court. I lose the court case. The judge gives me an injunction telling me I can't show anyone anything.  

And that's the first time I worried about consequence. And I guess it was because I was getting older and my kids are getting older. And I saw what prison had done to them. I saw what me being away from my son had done and my kids had done. So then I worried   and I didn't do it. I didn't do what I should have done. And then that ate me up for two years. Right. And then I I got divorced, I moved abroad.   I was living a turbulent life.   I was I was struggling with life and then I just knew so then Elon Musk give me back things happen for a reason.   Elon Musk gives me back my ex account.  

All this happens in the same situation.   And then   we've got a demonstration. I know it's gonna be big.   We had 800,000 people watching live. I'm never gonna have an opportunity like this to expose them. This is the best chance I've got.   So then I said to the kids, I wanna play the film. Dad's gonna go jail. I know I'm gonna go jail. I want their permission to do it. I explained that I have to I feel I have to do it. I've gone through this life for fifteen years. Everything we've all seen. Remember my kids are living in eight houses.   Houses being smashed up, cars being smashed up. So I said, but now we're at a point where the public are awake and they're listening.  

There's never gonna be a chance, guys. I just need to do it. So then I played the film, which put me in jail, but bought a 167,000,000   views to the film, which then at the same time Joe and my son come on a visit. And when when I had this conversation with my kids, I said I could get 10,000,000 views here. That's gonna awaken 10,000,000 people. And I'm so dead in this fight. I'm so in it.   My son come on a visit and said, dad, 10,000,000 views. It's on a 140,000,000   views, dad. We've we've done it. I was like, yes. And when Elon Musk shared it, it's January,   I've rung home.  

I rung home. My dad my son's like, dad.   And I'm ringing up, like, what? What? He goes Elon Musk just pinned free Tommy Robinson.   He said the he's he's he shared the film. I was like, I knew in that first week in January,   all the risk, because it was a risk to play the film. I could've got killed in jail. I weren't sure what was gonna happen. If not, I knew I'm gonna struggle for seven months. In the first week of prison, I sat down with the psychologist and said, when they're holding me on solitary, I said, what's what's nine months of solitary gonna do to me? Because three months for she said, this is gonna be devastating for you, Steven. I said, to how how are you doing it? How the fucking hell are you doing it? Maxwell with the commander's not on solitary. None of the terrorists on solitary. How well, for your own safety. I said, but I don't wanna be on soldier. And I I put I wrote I said, I'd rather fight every day. Physically fight than have you break my head. But then in that first week in January, I sort of relaxed because I knew it was worth it. Wow. Mission accomplished. Wow.   Mission accomplished, Keir Starmer.  

Mission accomplished. The whole world now knows, not just the British audience know that there's a corrupt judiciary that's a weapon of the state, the world knows. Yeah. It's a great film. That's silenced.   Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's silenced and I can never talk about it. What's in it? Because I'll go straight back to jail. So just go watch it.  

[02:16:21] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Tommy,   I know a lot of people out there who believe in their values, and I know what we went through just to keep our stuff out there. But I don't know many people that are willing to go to jail or willing to sacrifice everything  

[02:16:32] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

for for what they believe in. Would you know how many people went to jail after those riots? This is where so when when they went after the riots in Southport,   look at Peter Lynch. He didn't commit any violent offense. He's dead. Yeah?   Look at Lucy Connolly. Okay. Said a few her words, thirty one months. Tell me people there were that we end up speaking to their families. And I tried to speak to them at the time. I tried to explain. There was a woman whose husband had been sent to jail for naming a hotel. Yeah. Another man who went to jail for shouting at her dog. Another man went to jail for saying, Allah, Allah, who the fuck is Allah? So but I explained to their families that   there's gonna be no consolation to you. Yep.  

Lucy Connolly had to go to jail.   She had to. Yeah? To awaken the nation.   Peter Lynch, unfortunately, who's now dead.   These things had to be seen by the public.   We need the public awake. They the so I said, oh, you may not take it now, but your dad's a ma. I remember speaking to some young lad. I said, your dad's a ma. Your dad's a ma for free speech. Okay?   No one knows his name, but he had to go to jail. When we started the English defense league in Luton, eight lads went to jail for the first demo. I remember saying that's they had to. Yeah. That had to happen. All these things had to happen. I had to go to jail. I had to sit there on that solitary confinement. The world had to see that. All of these things have had to happen. Unfortunately, we needed Kiyosama.   When he got in, we needed him. Yeah. We needed you to see what Labour will do. We needed the British public to see that they are not gonna stop this.  

Joe Biden had to be in power. So all these   things have to happen. So that have to happen and have got us to the situation we're in. And again, I have regret. Do I have regrets? I have regrets around family. I've not done anything everything right. But I don't regret those things because   they've chiseled the character I am. They've made me who I am. And I'm still struggling now after solitary confinement. I still don't feel myself now. Yeah. Yeah. You put on a great brave face. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. You're two months out. Right? Oh, two months out.   I went to see a lady when I come out who who who was dying.  

She passed away now.   And I've never felt so I remember going in the car and I must I I messaged the gentleman because the lad picked me up and I messaged him the next day saying, I'm so sorry. Because I was ready to rip her head off. Just ready to explode. And that it's hard to explain. And I think this ain't normal and I'm ready to pop.   And then I have to limit where I go because I think I can't be ready to pop because I I have to be let someone say something negative to me without taking their head off. But I don't feel myself and I didn't feel myself. I felt that in jail. I thought I don't feel myself. I know I'm not myself. So coming out of jail then I think I know I'm not myself and then I get upset thinking look what they've done to me. I feel like a mess.   But that took a few weeks when I had the kids again. So   I'm in a I'm in a position where I can as well and I've got so much support now from people. Let's do it. Yeah. What go ahead. Go ahead. I I get shown love everywhere I go now. So it's hard to feel sorry for yourself. You know when I was in jail, I got 20,000 birthday cards. 20,000 birthday cards. So it's hard to feel sorry for yourself when you know there's other there's other lads in these cells along amongst this prison who have had nothing, had no love in their life. So it was pretty I had some I had some beautiful moments. Yeah. But 20,000 birthday cards   can't make you feel good when you feel lousy about yourself. Right? No. That's it. And I feel lousy moments. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's Tony Robinson doing in twenty years? Are you I'll be glad happy if I'm here in twenty years. Right? I didn't think I'd ever make 40. Really? I swear to God. That's what all twenty year olds think. I'll never before make 40. When I start the Infiniti, if I make 40, I might as well just fucking go mad. Right. I ain't getting there, but now I've got here and now. I can see the change coming, man. Change   is coming. To to to people who are upset, to people who feel alienated alone, you're not alone, man. You're the majority. Change is coming. They can't stop it. Will you ever be part of a political party?  

I'd rather not.   I'd rather not. I would have hoped and I wished that reform would be the political party for the people. In fact, I tried to make a truce multiple times. With Nigel? With Nigel. And on stage, I tried to just say, listen. Nigel has continually lied about me to the public. In fact, when I was in jail on solitary confinement, he put he he went on TV and said, I've got convictions for violence against women. He just made it up. So I don't understand it. Why? Well, I look at so what happened with Nigel   so Marie Le Pen just been banned from standing. You saw this? Yeah. Yeah. And they used the fact that she   made money when she was had a member's European Parliament in Europe and used it for domestic   things. That's why they went for a criminally. From what I understand, Nigel done the same. Yeah. And he was investigating 02/2019.  

That investigation was crushed and went away. And according to people close to Nigel, because I spoke to all of them now. Yeah. There was so he was under investigation and it was when, which seems a bit sus anyway. Yeah. And since then, Nigel now, you've got Fraser Nelson. You've got all the left are now propping him up as the next prime minister. It's like he's been chosen by the establishment,   and he's took the establishment   establishment line on everything. On Islam, you won't talk about Islam. Never ask. In fact, he's given his chairman position to see a Yousef, a Muslim. And then what's he done since then? He said, Shamina Begum wants to come back. Then what's he said that we need to prepare for the Islamic demographic majority. This is his words. By 02/1950, we can't alienate Islam because they're gonna become so dominant. Well, Nigel, we need to stop that shit. Yeah. Let's not hold up the white flag. I want a leader that's gonna stop it. And then people make the excuse, oh, he's just trying to get into power. He's trying to get in power by filling his labor his party with the same establishment figures that betrayed us for the last twenty years. Right. So I get frustrated, and I wish Nigel was the solution. And I tried to make peace. And I wish when Nigel come out and said that he's not bothered about the demographic replacement in this country, which means he's not bothered that white English people will become a minority in England. Well, I am. So are the vast majority of this country. And what we saw in the polling this week is that majority of people who also understand Islam needs stopping. Yeah. And someone needs to challenge it. Right now, reform will kick you out of their party if you speak about Islam. It's bad for their brand at this point, or they think it is. But it's not bad for the brand because the public want it. It's not bad for the brand. It's bad for the establishment. Right. Because the establishment don't wanna deal with this. They wanna hide from it. They're not gonna deal with it. The same establishment that covered up the grooming gangs. Why did Rupert Lo get kicked out of reform? According to him, because he was talking about the rape gangs, Pakistan rape gangs. So Nigel is crushing down on the establishment   thing. So people won't like hearing it because people think reform is the solution. Unfortunately, no. It's not. Nigel's gonna be no different. He's gonna sell you out. Is Nigel working class? He went to some posh private school. He holds a he holds a point of beer, so you think he is. You think he's one of you. Yeah? How do you ever think Nigel Farage been in working class to stay after 7PM in his life other than for a photo shoot? He don't give a shit about you. That's how I see it now. And, unfortunately, telling that truth upsets people, and I wish it wasn't that case. I wish Nigel would have been the populist voice that Britain needs   because it's all prime thing. The country's ready for it. As the country's ready for it, it established steps the establishment, and they take control of it. They know now. No one's gonna vote for Labour. No one's gonna vote for the Conservative. Along come reform in Nigel Farage.  

What's he gonna do? Oh, he's gonna stop the boats. Well, the boats ain't the only problem, are they? No. In fact, reformer's policy   reformer's policy at start of the election   was one in one out. Well, half a million Brits left last year. Half a million. So they're gonna get half million rid of Brits and what? Half million Africans are coming in only. That was their policy.   That's reform.   They they they they changed. They were like the wind.   What does Nigel even believe? At least you know what we believe.   So I think that Rupert Lowe,   I saw what happened with Rupert Lowe.  

I think that he's become a strong voice. I've looked at Ben Habib,   advance. Lots of the people who were kicked out for their free speech. There is no free speech. How can you have a political party that wanna govern this country like reform when they have no they don't believe in free speech? They don't believe in free speech. Nigel doesn't. In fact, he's got NDAs and agreements that anyone who steps in is not allowed to mention my name. They can't have reform counselors that say anything negative about me.   What? That's a you're a dictatorship, bruv. That's not free speech.  

So yeah. Enough about Nigel Farage anyway. Nigel, I want an apology for making up your bullshit about violence against women. Or at some point, I will be fine you with a camera.   So no politics for Tommy. You're gonna keep doing what you're doing. I want to lead a cultural movement. This country I think you are. If you shift the culture, you shift the politics. Yeah? Yeah. Now what we had combined together, we got myself, Katie Hopkins, Carl Benjamin, Lawrence Fox. We brought together lots of people, and we had lots of young TikTokers,   lots of boxers, comedians,   and and we wanted to work on a five point plan that all of us can agree with. And there's we want to make it cool to be British because they've made it embarrassing to be British.  

We need it to be cool, and we need people to agree on these policies of protecting free speech, protecting British culture. That was our idea. And I think that's why they come for us so hard. Because what we managed to put together was enough people with enough media profiles that overnight, we could click a button and release a video and we would reach the entire country. And they don't want that. Okay. They don't want uni   and on the September 3, we're we're gonna unite Britain   like no one was ever seen. Yeah. And when I say unite Britain, that's people coming from Northern Ireland, they come from Wales, they come from Scotland, they're coming from seek background, black background, West Indian background, Britain. People who are British, who love Britain and have had enough. Can I come as well? You're welcome, mate. Come along. It's gonna be a beautiful day. I'm telling them. Okay. So it's gonna be the thirteenth. It's gonna be wonderful. I went earlier. I just met the police. Let me read you this. This here's the problem here. This is just gonna totally show you the problem. We're holding a free speech festival. This is our third, fourth that we've done. The last ones, there's been zero problems.   No problems at all.  

And   let me just get you this up. Sorry. I know we're live.   Here's   what so we wanted to Falga Square and we wanted Parliament Square.   I must also draw to your attention that the GLA, the Greater London Authority, which is Sadiq Khan, is a public authority subject to public sector equality   duty contained in section one four four nine of the Equality Act 02/2010.   This means that when considering applications for for authorization,   the GLA is required to have regard to any potential impacts of its decision on people with protected characteristics   within the meaning of the act, including religion.  

So, basically,   your free speech festival might upset someone's feelings of their religion or their protected characteristic.   Well, yes, free speech. Yeah. That's the purpose of it. Yeah. That we're not gonna let you. So they've they've refused us. Okay. Parliament Square. But the police the difference is now the police are totally supportive, and the police are furious because Parliament Square, they said, would have been easier for the police. Okay. But what we've now done, which is a problem for us because we now need more screens and more sound systems. But I've walked the route today. This is gonna be unbelievable. We've got a 46 meter screen going up towards Trafalgar Square but facing down towards Parliament Square. We're gonna fill from Trafalgar Square to Parliament Square in the biggest sea of patriots. Not people see when they see protests in London. They see Gaza flags or they see BLM. They see people who hate Britain marching against Britain. They see war memorials being desecrated. What you're gonna see on September 13 is the biggest mobilization of British patriots this country has ever seen together, and it's gonna be taxpayers. And there's no subsidized coaches traveling or funding people or ferrying them in. It's organic. The signs not being made by everyone else. They're gonna be made by the people coming. It's gonna be a celebration   and a sea and a tidal wave of patriotism and nationalism that no one's gonna stop. It's gonna be we've got a 46 meter screen. 70 meters later, we've got another 46 meter screen. 70 meters later, we've got another one. 70 meters later, we're gonna have it's gonna look beautiful. It's gonna be iconic. We've got Jordan Peterson. We've got,   a gospel band singing. We've got   four different bands coming to sing. It's gonna be entertaining.  

And it's gonna be, you know, that sense of I went to Poland in 2015   for their independence day. And I stood there, or you can watch the video, and the hairs on the back of me next next stood up. There was 250,000.   And they've got their kids on their shoulders. And I stood there and thought, we haven't got this. There's something missing.   We couldn't do this. And I remember when I stood in Foulga Square,   I felt it. I felt that togetherness. I felt the hairs on the back of my neck stood up, and I felt Britain's awake. We've got it. We're here. Patriotism's back. Pride's   back. It's coming. And and and the best thing is why when I walked out of jail   this year, two two months ago, I sat there thinking about what should I say? What should I say? And I wanted to send a message to Kia Stama and his pathetic coward government   that we're starting where we left off. And that's why I gave the date straight away. Because I know it gets 6,000,000 views, which it did. September 13. And has it worked? Everywhere I walk, people are talking about September 13.  

How do you like them apples, Kia? Your mug.  

[02:29:06] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Tommy, I said at the beginning, we're gonna try to find out who is the real Tommy Robinson. I think we just did. So thanks for the candor. Thank you for telling us about your journey. I think it's very hard for anybody in this world not to at least understand why you're the man you are, and I think we now understand  

[02:29:20] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

why you do this. And I think September 13 is gonna be a pretty cool day. I might show up with my kids. Come along, bring the kids, man. I'm telling you, it's gonna be beautiful, man. It's gonna be beautiful. And do you know what? They've tried to break that community   and you're gonna see us the strongest shark community that people have ever seen in this in our capital city. It's gonna be it's gonna be great. I'm excited. We've got a lot of work to do. We've got a lot of work to do to get there. But as I said, the speakers now which are coming, the priests which are asking to talk, something huge is happening. Okay. Nice to see that, man. I've I've enjoyed it, bro. Thank you so much. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Cheers, man. Alright. Thank you.  

[02:29:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

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