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In this episode, we delve into the controversial topic of the English Defence League (EDL) and its portrayal in the media. The Sammy Woodhouse interviews Guramit Singh, a former leader of the EDL, to discuss the organization's history, its disbandment in 2011, and the misconceptions surrounding it. Singh clarifies that the EDL was never a far-right racist organization and that it actively expelled far-right racists from its ranks. He also addresses the recent riots in the UK, emphasizing that they were not organized by the EDL but were a result of broader societal issues.

Singh criticizes the media and politicians for labeling peaceful demonstrators as far-right extremists and discusses the two-tier policing and justice system in the UK. He argues that the media and politicians are stoking tensions between communities for their own agendas. The conversation also touches on the role of religion in British society, the perceived favoritism towards the Muslim community, and the challenges faced by the Christian community.

The episode concludes with a discussion on the future of British politics, the need for a pro-British political party, and the importance of free speech. The host and Singh agree that while the road ahead is challenging, there is hope for change if people remain united and vocal about their concerns.

[00:00:00] Guramit Singh:

The media have been telling everyone it's EDL. It's far right racist thugs. But, you know, you've got elderly pensioners on the streets right now with Union Jacks just wanting to be in support of the country. They're labeled as far right racist thugs. It's absolutely disgusting. Labels being put on decent everyday innocent people.  

[00:00:20] Sammy Woodhouse:

Hi, guys. I'm here today in my hometown of Rotherham.   Now Rotherham has been known all over the world for the child protection scandal, and just last week, we hit the headlines yet again. Now this time for when a hotel came under attack.   Now the the protest was meant to be a peaceful protest, but after an hour broke into rioting   and the police were present, mainstream media also run the story, but blamed the EDL   and said that people in attendance   were far right racist thugs.   Now I'm here today   to interview one of the leaders of EDL.  

[00:01:00] Guramit Singh:

So, Guramit Singh, thank you for joining me today. How are you? I'm alright. How are you? Thank you very much for having me. It's a lovely day just to shame we're in this part of the world.   How many do you think? I'm only joking. I love Rotherham and me.  

[00:01:13] Sammy Woodhouse:

Yeah. Fantastic.   But yeah. Well, listen. Rotherham is known,   of course, of many bad things, but as well, what you've got to remember is exploitation happens as we know Yeah. Yeah. All across the country.   But if we look at Rotherham Yeah. You know, you add people such as myself and other survivors   that have helped change this country in regards to exploitation.  

[00:01:33] Guramit Singh:

So we're not all bad. We're all bad. God bless you for that. The work that you've done and other survivors have done has been absolutely imperative for the future survival of girls of this country. So, yeah, god bless you. High five on that one. God bless you. So listen. I'll be honest. I don't know much about EDL. Yeah.   Let's start from beginning. Well, I think the main thing to point on right now is there is no English Defence League. There hasn't been an English Defence League since 2011.   I was there when it just about first started. I was running it alongside with Tommy and Kevin, a few other individuals a few months after my involvement and up to the point of 2011.   I left in the 2011, but when I left, me, Tommy, and Kevin were having discussions about disbanding it completely anyway. Okay. So why I'd left and then I had a court case like not not long after and then Tommy and Kevin had disbanded it, so there was no English offence he can solve. So why did you disband it then? Well, because it sometimes organizations run their course. You set out to do a job. You do the job. What's the point of it from there? Other people's lives go in different ways. You know, some people saw their careers in different areas moving forward in other in other ways rather than just having a street movement, a street social movement such as what the English Defence League was. So yeah. So I had left, and then soon after Tommy and, Kevin disbanded in, it was no more. Now joining the English Defense League, there was a lot of far right racists, which is what a word that's being thrown around on anybody nowadays that's patriotic to their country. Yeah. But in them days, there was a lot of far right racists that we had to throw out the English Defense League ourselves. Now what you found is once Tommy and Kev had disbanded the English Defense League soon after I had left, what had happened, a lot of these racists that we threw out in the first place had come back around to pick up of some of the crumbs as you could say. Okay. And they started calling themselves EDL and going out and doing little demonstrations of 15 people, but we were completely against that. They never had any of the founding leaders or founding   organizers support in any way. And they carried on for a few years, but then I think that just dwindled into nothing anyway. But the official English fencing was ended in 2011.  

Now what you've had recently is you've had the press, politicians,   especially the mainstream media is just another example of the blind to everybody telling everyone that these demonstrations,   with some of them which have turned quite violent in the country, have been organized all part of the English fencing, which is a complete fallacy. It's complete falsehood. It's nothing to do with the English fencing. There is no English fencing. These are concerned citizens in their own   in their own areas going out and using their freedom to demonstrate freedom to protest. And unfortunately, you've had a minority in there that have turned quite violent.  

[00:03:59] Sammy Woodhouse:

That's something that none of us condone. Okay. So let's go back to the beginning. Yeah. Because I was always told that EDL is a far right racist organization.   Do you think it's fair to say that the entire organisation   were far right and racist, or do you think this were just a couple of people that kinda gave you all a bad name? The English Defence League, our manifesto, our morals, our ethics, everything about us is completely against anything to do with racism,  

[00:04:25] Guramit Singh:

segregation, anything like that. There was a few individuals that we collared and we sometimes got a bit physical with them and we had to throw out of the English Defence League, which were far right races. And they were the people we we were against. We were against them just as much as we were against extremist Muslims.   People think that most of my deference during the interfacing time would come from Muslims, but actually it wasn't. Most of the deference that I received came from far right far right races as well. And and Tommy would say the same thing as well. I'm glad you mentioned that actually because I've only been with Airbnb for about a month, so I'm learning a lot.  

[00:04:58] Sammy Woodhouse:

But what I've seen is that people that I would actually say were far out in races. Not, you know, the because I know we've thrown lots of labels about, but people that I would say are far out in races  

[00:05:08] Guramit Singh:

actually don't like, Tommy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. No. Because we're against everything that they believe in. Yeah. We're against racism and that's why, like I said, you can ask Tommy the same question. I know it's true. Most of our deference in the past came from that sector of society more than what extremist Muslims used to fright us. So that's the fact of it. I don't know if there was any far right racists at any of these demonstrations because I don't know every single individual that was at these demonstrations. To tell you the truth, I don't know any of the people that were at any of these demonstrations.   A few of my friends went to the Nottingham one. I think you reported from there. Yeah. They told me it went all down all down quite peacefully. It was. Yeah. Yeah. They told me a group of Muslims came all masked up and everything and started threatening people at some point, but but I wasn't there myself, so I can't really comment comment right down to the In Nottingham, to my knowledge and when I was there, everything seemed to go peaceful. There was one incident.  



[00:05:52] Sammy Woodhouse:

Yeah. There was somebody that came from stand up to racism Yeah. Into what I'd say onto the side of the right. Yeah.   And he did attack someone. So to my knowledge that was the only incident. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. But when I was in South Park   and I was right in the centre, because when I got there the writing, you know, it already started.   There was,   a man that that was a far right racist. Yeah. He I wouldn't repeat, you know, the things he was saying so we discussed it.   But he made his feelings very, very clear Yeah. That he could not stand Tommy to the point where I thought if he recognises me because I work with him in school, I've also got mixed race children, I had to move myself out of the way. I phoned my boss and and said, you know, it was a real situation.  

[00:06:34] Guramit Singh:

But he wanted to be violent towards anybody that was in support, Atomic. Yeah. Precisely. Because we've always said it that Islamism and Nazism, we've always said it's two sides of the same coin. They share many different similarities even though they are even though they are different ideologies and different races, but that's something that we picked on on over the years. So that's the reason that man was there was completely against Tommy Robinson,   because they always have been, because we're against everything that they believe in, and that's always been the same. The media have been telling everyone it's EDL, it's far right racist folks. But, you know, you've got elderly pensioners on the streets right now with Union Jacks just wanting to be in support of the country. They're labeled as far right racist folks. It's absolutely disgusting.   Labels being put on decent everyday innocent people. Now you've had had now you have had this small minority up and down the country that have turned these demonstrations into riots, which, you know, nobody condones. You don't condone that. I don't condone that. It's disgusting. Nobody's gone out there to promote it. You've had the media telling everybody that this is all an after effect of our demonstration that we did on 27th July. That's a load of bollocks as well because all these demonstrations   all basically came after that demonstration even happened. Yeah. And so, you know, so but, you know, they're just trying to point blame and trying to,   the the the they're trying to mold the British public's opinion onto someone that it has got nothing to do with it, which is mainly Thomas Robinson. They're trying to pin the, put put pin the blame on them where really the blame of this, in my eyes, actually comes down to the politicians and, you know, their policies. Yeah. No. I agree.  



[00:07:56] Sammy Woodhouse:

So when I was also going to protests and riots Yeah. There was people coming along saying, where are you? Because, you know, we're gonna do something to the EDL. Yeah. Who do you think is to blame for that? Pardon?  

[00:08:08] Guramit Singh:

Well, the fact that the politicians have been out there and stoked this fire to say the the fascist so called fascist English Defense League are on the streets, and they've also   promoted this story where whereas the the so called English Defense League are out there attacking the local community and local mosque. Now I haven't heard I haven't seen any evidence of anybody attacking any mosque. I have seen evidence of church of a church being attacked the other day in Wembley. But this is politicians   stoking that fire, mainstream media running onto it, and then you're having the cyber Muslims coming out, and they're looking for a fight as well. So it it it is down to the politicians and the mainstream media that has brought everybody onto the street and now all sort of everyone's opposite against each other again. Yeah. I mean, when I was in South Park, I did see the mosque under attack. And when I was there and I said to have seen it. Yeah. I I know, obviously, you've you've not been there, but when I was there and I said,  

[00:08:51] Sammy Woodhouse:

when I was there and I said to people, you know, why has the riot started here?   Yeah. And they said, well, because the mosque is there. Yeah. Some people believe that the man that killed  

[00:09:03] Guramit Singh:

those 3 little girls were a Muslim. So this is in the South Port. Right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got you. Okay. Yeah. So why do you think the rioting started? Well,   I think there's a lot of anger in the streets of the British people of the British people regardless of their race and religion in this country.   There's issues with,   you know, with the unresolved,   illegal asylum immigration issue that you've got with people staying in hotels.   People the one one big thing that I'm always touching on with a lot of people is they have concerns. They have   real real real concerns regarding their family and their country, and they're not being listened to. No politicians or political party are taking their voice in. So, basically, I think, these grievances have started with the people in this community. You're down to   the illegal immigration with all these asylum so called asylum seekers, these legal migrants staying in the hotels. There's further grievances within their own communities. Funds are short. People are not being taken care of. Politicians are not listening to their grievances and their concerns.  

And and then you have what's basically what happened in Southport with the murder of these 2 3 innocent children. And then basically, that's it. It's all just brewed up, and it's just absolutely exploded. And now some people want to blame that on all the the the event that Tommy Robinson held on the 27th   of July. You know, this was after that, and he was already even out of the country. But they're using the politicians are using their failures as excuses   to they politicians are using these lies as excuses to put onto somebody else because they're trying to get the heat away from themselves. Yeah. And so so that's what I I basically see. Now when it comes to peace people that are going out being violent and rioting, I understand why that's happening. Because there's gonna be individuals out there that are so concerned and so pissed off with the state of the country that they're gonna pick their fists up and they're gonna throw bricks. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not what I do. I mean, sometimes I wake up and I wanna throw a brick at Aidan, but I don't do that. You know what I mean?   I'm really jokin' Aidan. I like it. I'm really jokin' Aidan. But but, you know, but but but you don't do that because you need to stay within the law. You You're not meaning   throwing bricks at buildings and stuff like that and setting stuff on fire. Never got anybody anywhere. Yeah. And especially   when they're trying to put this far right extremist label on you, which doesn't exist, you know, you're now actually playing into their hands and proving that you kind of are in a little way. Yeah. So, you know, but I believe, these riots have started from the tensions that are built up within the communities and the grievances the British people have which are not being addressed.  



[00:11:16] Sammy Woodhouse:

So when I've been doing a lot of interviews, so and this is for media all over the world,   People   wanna start with the riots in,   Southport Yeah. But the writing didn't start with Southport. No. It didn't. It started in Harhill with Leeds Harhill with Leeds. Yeah. And then, of course, with,   Manchester. Now With Manchester. Yeah. I remember watching that in Leeds, and I actually went to Leeds, and I interviewed people within the community. Yeah.   And what we saw was people rioting Yeah. Making demands. We saw police running,   and I I'll be honest, I felt that the police was this in Harrowls or Manchester? Yes. In Harrowls. Yes. I saw clips about it. So we see the police running away because they were totally outnights, that's fair for them, and then you see children returned.  

Yeah. So people have looked at that and saw, you know, naughty behavior has clearly won. Yeah. Yeah. Precisely. Then we went to Manchester   where Pakistani   Muslim men   started a protest and rioting because of what happened with the Manchester Airport incident. Yeah. We've not seen any charges yet within that. Yeah. So then we go to South Park with the white community rioting.  

[00:12:21] Guramit Singh:

Why is it people are forgetting the Roma community write in and the Pakistani Muslim community write in, but not the white community write in? Because in this country, we have number 1, we got a 2 tier police system. That's a 100% that's a 100% apparent to everybody that exists. The government and police officers can try and push it under the carpet and say that it's BS as much as they want. You know, you you if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, you gotta call it a duck. And so we have a 2 tier policing system. The remain, was it the Romanian community?   The Atlantic community. Romanian community in Hart Hills, they were dealt with in a certain way. The Pakistani community in Manchester were dealt with in a certain way. The British community, mostly predominantly English community   in, Southport, they were dealt with a completely opposite way. That that just shows you the 2 tier policing, which is in action. I mean, Tommy Robinson and a and a number of journalists spoke about this at the demonstration.  

There's a documentary out there which is which has been banned called silence. That tells you a lot about it about it as well. But there is a 100% 2 tier policing system, and it's not just that. There's a 2 tier media system as well. They'll they'll report on something and make that look as extreme as violent as what it is, but the other thing, they'll dumb it down like the BLM riots. They were out there calling them peaceful and this, that, the other way. They were outright riot, but it didn't say anything. When you had the English lads do that in Southport, then all of a sudden the far right racist, their thugs, this, that, and the other. So there's a 2 tier media system. There's a 2 tier justice system. In Manchester, you saw these people in the these individuals at the airport that assaulted, think they fractured their nose or their or the police officer's face. Yeah. And then, you know, they were kicked in the head, which I don't really agree with you about the other police officer. They haven't been arrested. But in Southport, our government, Keir Starmer and the government have been, have been intent on locking these people up as quickly as possible. Now they say it's to   stop the riots and stop it in its tracks. You know what I mean? Get them locked up, get them processed, get them in jail. But on the other hand, you know, why don't you lock these rioters up as well? You know what I mean? So there's 2 to injustice system as well and that's what we're dealing in this country. And that's another one of the main reasons why these lads are out there in the first place demonstrating. I mean yesterday I shared a post on X of a woman that's been remanded into custody because she bought flour and eggs  

[00:14:26] Sammy Woodhouse:

which were later allegedly used to throw at police officers.   Now Throwing eggs is hilarious. This this kinda, like, hit a nerve for me because Mhmm. When I come forward It's that pathetic. It's hilarious. Yeah. It is. I mean I literally Obviously, it's not for her because I know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. God, god bless her. You know what I mean? I mean yeah.   When when I saw it, I was like at first I laughed and then I thought, well, actually, no. This is a woman's life. But when I came forward and testified against my rapist now bear in mind I was a child. Yeah. He was an adult.  

[00:14:57] Guramit Singh:

There was DNA evidence because I had a child through that. Yeah. In fact, there was that much evidence police told me they didn't even need to question him. Yeah. Because it weren't just me coming forward, you know, there was lots of others. Yeah. He didn't get remanded. No. That investigation was ongoing for 3 years. One of the men in that trial got to Pakistan. Yeah. So for people like me, that's a real kinda kick in the stomach. 100%. Yeah. 100%. I get what you're saying. I mean, I saw a post recently, and I did some digging into it. 1 of the riot was so called rioters. I'm not too sure if it was Southport or another area. He got convicted within a week and got sentenced got remandidance and sentenced within a week or so. We got 24 months. At the same time, you've got this asylum seeker who repeatedly raped a 13 year old who can't speak English. He got a 180   hours commuting service. Yeah. I was like, what the fuck? And and that's your 2 tier justice system. Yeah. You know, it's happening over and over and over again. You know what I mean? A lot of these so called rioters that have been arrested, you know, they've been remanded in prison. Yeah. You know, it's just for some people, just for being there. There was a young girl the other day. She was quite young as well and she got well, she went guilty of, violent disorder. Mhmm. She's only a young person as well. You think, you know, give them a chance sometimes young people are quite impressionable and stuff like that. Yeah. But, you know, they've dealt they've dealt with them so harshly. And then on the other side of it, it it seems like I'm filming it as well. They're filming the judge   the judges out there laying down. It's crazy. Yeah. I personally think they're targeting the wrong people. Yeah. They're they're trying to put an example out there, right, basically. If you are British and you do have concerns for this country, you can't say anything at all. You don't say anything. Do not   do not say a word or be critical of the people that are hostile against us, especially Muslims. You know what I mean? Don't say anything against them. We're on their side. You've seen Keir Starmer say, I will I will spend some money. I'm out here to protect the Muslim community. Yeah. What do you think about him only wanting to kind of focus on the Muslim community? I know. Yeah. It's Nickerson. This is a 2 tier here for you. You know what I mean? For some reason, the community that is most hostile to all of the communities is the one that needs protecting. I think it's completely the opposite. I think it's a non Islamic communities that need protecting. That's my personal opinion. I think we should focus on all communities. I don't think I don't think any community should be treated different. And I think I really. Yeah. Yeah. I think the way he come out and the way he favoritized   Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Just poured fuel. And finally, I think it was done illegally. Know what? One of the most hilarious things. I think it was a West West Midland's   superior police officer and he turned around and he gave a Muslim greeting. He was like, salaam alaikum.  

Muslim.   I find it hilarious. And then he said, I just wanna say there is no 2 tier police system.   We police without favor and fear. And then he spoke in Urdu, like, Shukriya to say goodbye. And I was like, are you taking the absolute piss? This is like comedy. Are you literally taking us for fools or something? You know? Yeah. I I don't think Kiran and the Labour Party are ever gonna live No. I understand. I don't think they are. I mean, that party got into votes and got the majority from pure lies. We've seen him do interviews where he said that it was women's that were freezing cold, and he went round their houses, and they couldn't wear coats until 12 o'clock. Now he takes away the pensions. He's talking that he's gonna help British. His party is for the people. You know, all of a sudden, these 90,000   legal refugees are being given citizenship, and then Angela Rayner's has now torn up the paperwork to say that refugees can't be put on the list on the housing ladder as quickly or something. So, basically, they're on the housing market now as well. So there's gonna be less houses for Britain, less money for British for less houses for British people, less money for British people, you know, and and and and these are the lies that they've just absolutely got themselves into power with. And now now the true colors are showing, and I think everybody else is doing so. Politicians if I'm honest. A 100% yeah. I was actually asked by a Labour politician  

[00:18:22] Sammy Woodhouse:

to endorse them, and I considered it. And the reason why I considered it because I didn't I didn't vote for Labour. I voted reform. But I considered it because   I   thought,   well, I was told that he would support my work around family courts, about around child protection. And from all the parties that I've ever worked with in 11 years, the couple of politicians that have really supported me are Labour. Yeah. Now I decided not to endorse   Labour. Thank god because of how everything's   panned out. But  

[00:18:53] Guramit Singh:

yeah. Where where do you think it's gonna go to the I mean I mean I mean, it's great that I mean, even today, I was just reading an article how the Labour Party have decided that the reform MPs cannot sit on any parliament committees.   And they had they took, like, 4,000,000 votes. We got more more votes than the Liberal Democrats. But, yeah, for some reason, we only got 4 we've only got 4, 4, 5 MPs. You know what I mean? It was disgraceful. I mean, I think reform are making head waves. I think Labour's cock up over the next five years will show the British public Yeah. Precisely what the Labour Party are really about, how they do lie. We've already the the conservative party have already exposed themselves. I mean, I I my my family have been staunch conservative voters my whole life. You know what I mean? Yeah. When Boris Johnson came into power, I felt a real change that coming. I felt Brexit is happening. I felt I felt a pure pro British attitude in the country. All that's just been thrown away. So I'm hoping with reform, they'll start making some headways. And when it comes to 5 years down the line, then they'll, you know, really make a big impact and hopefully   be the majority. And because, see, mister Farage is the next prime minister. I mean, that's the only way the concerns of British people have regardless of color and religion. That's the only way their concerns will get fixed is by having a pro British party. I do think out of all the politicians, I do like Nigel for most of the things. I I have me rant about him from time to time. Yeah. But I think one thing that reformer lacks Yeah. Is their voice on child protection and violence against women. I've not seen him vocal on that. Well, maybe that's something that you could get focused on me because you That's what I'm trying to do. I mean, you've got a huge voice like that and God bless you for all the work you've done because the work that you have done has inevitably saved a lot of young girls' lives in the future as well. So maybe that's something that that's you should put your foot, put your hand to as well. I'm sure they'd be more than welcoming to take take your opinion and then take you on board and listen and discuss issues with you. Lee Anderson's a local politician to us. I mean, this is how bad it is for me. I live in an area that used to be conservative. It's now labor. It's a very working class area. I live there because of the demographic buildup. It's safe for me. When I came out of jail, I went for quite a lot of I had a lot of issues with violent Muslims within prison. I came out. It took a lot from me. I wanted to be somewhere comfortable. That's where I where I live. Yeah. Now it's under a labor and now that now it's a labor constituency.  

I'm actually now literally in the middle of looking,   moving myself and my family up to the Lee Anderson constituency   because I know in that constituency you've got an MP is there for the people. Okay. So that's how serious I'm taking it nowadays. Yeah. I mean, I think you have to protect yourselves on your own. I don't think my area will be protected by Labor MP. I must admit, I'm starting to kinda weigh up my options with teams. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I think in the area that he's in as well, it's like not what not in the news to be 25 years ago. You know what I mean? So I I think that's what I'm gonna be heading for now. I mean, me and my eldest son was actually talking the other day,   because some time ago I'd I was saying, you know, maybe to move abroad Yeah. And he was really against it. He's kinda now swaying to it. Maybe that's helpful for both of you. If you've got the opportunity and the freedom to do it, do it. At least try it out. There's nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with renting a place for 12 months while he keeps something going here and coming and going. I think a lot of people wanted to do that. A lot of people scared to the direction of the country. When I came back from a honeymoon the other day, we had a Romanian taxi driver pick us up from Manchester Airport to bring us back to Nottingham. And he was telling us about Romania and I was sat in the back. I was like, fucking hell, these guys have had it so good. Back in the day, we used to say like, we we used to think that play areas like you see, this is another thing about the media. I used to grow up thinking Romania, Poland, and areas like this were bad places to go. I've actually discovered that these places are absolutely wonderful, beautiful, safe, you know, and and and very patriotic, the Christian countries. And and, you know, and my people are over here because they're Christian countries, because under the Christian rule, we're safe and we can thrive. You know what I mean? We can't do that under an Islamic rule for safe. You know what I mean? And and so I was thinking, my god. These guys have got it so good out there, and we have it so bad here when all when all my life I've been told that this is a great place and that's the evil place. Yeah. It's actually we've been lied to our whole lives there once again by politicians and the media. A lot of people I've been speaking to and not just in person but online  

[00:22:44] Sammy Woodhouse:

feel that,   we are a Christian country, should remain a Christian country, and other faiths should be allowed to practice but always remain a Christian country. Percent. But they feel that this is soon gonna be an Islamic country. Do you think that's true? A 100%. Yeah. Because when you've had the well, I mean, what we've just been speaking about  

[00:23:03] Guramit Singh:

right now with the 2 tier policing, 2 tier justice system, 2 tier media, they seem to favor Muslims more than they do non Muslims. And so it's already moving that way. They've got them in the hands of the pocket. Now listen, I love Muslims. I have no issue with them, but I do have an issue with Islam. Yeah. Because Islam wants to put my religion to bed. It wants to put other religions to bed. And I don't believe in that. So I have an issue with it. So I've got to speak up again against it. I understand all Muslims aren't really thinking in that way. But when if it ever comes to a day and then there is a majority of Muslims in power and they want this to be an Islamic state, the so called peaceful Muslims will side with them. They won't side with us. They ain't gonna protect me. They're gonna go against me. I know that. We have 1600 years of history to learn by to know that that is true because it happens consistently over and over again. So the country is a 100% swaying that way. When you've got our own prime minister who really concentrates on protecting the Wilsen community, it's going that way. Okay. Yeah. So talk to me about religion then. I'm not a religious person. I have the I'm not religious. Yeah. I'm not. Should they only be one religion or should we allow all religions equally? No. Well, that's the whole point. I mean,   I mean, this is a Christian country. Yeah. The the main reason our people came here is because there's been always been a strong alliance with Sikhs and Christians. It goes back centuries.  

And so our people came here, you know, there was grievances back in the day, but everyone gets along. That's just how it is. The way I feel when it comes to the religious pond, I feel that you have every single religion, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Rasaffarians,   and they all get on, but you have this other religion called Islam which is hostile to everybody else. That's not my opinion. That's a fact. And that's a fact worldwide, you know. There there's there's no there's no brushing it under the carpet. It is the way it is. I'm not making these things up. I am I am I am speaking on evidence that I've seen from around the world, that's been happening for 1600 years. So all religions do get on and they're all sound. They live on this great Christian country because, it's not just a Christian it's not just a Christian country. You know, the rules and regulations and morals are built up around the Christian religion, and we share them morals and ethics and, you know, and so that's why we all get on so well. And then on the other part, you have this Islamic voice, and that doesn't really integrate at all because it's completely against it. They it's an awkward one because   they think we're all in the wrong and we all know that they're in the wrong. Okay. And then you've got this situation where they're in the country and, you know, then you do have the extremists that keep screaming and shouting and they want Sharia and this, that, and the other. But then you and then you're completely against that. But then you have this peaceful side which don't say anything at all.  

So it makes it a complicated situation.   But in the future, what we have what we've learned from bar history is when them extremists do get their voice out there and become a majority of their community,   And especially what I've noticed is as the generations go on, the more younger the Muslims, the further the generations go on, they start becoming a lot more extreme. The Muslims, when I was a kid, like, the older fellows used to call them uncle and stuff, they were very nice peaceful guys. You know what I mean? I don't really see them people in our community no more. You know what I mean? I don't know where they've gone. But so you've got the situation where I understand where it when the extremists do get their foothold within their communities, the peaceful moderate ones always do kind of side with them. Well, they do side with them. They won't side with us. They'll side with them. So that's the way I see, you know, the religious build up that settle. Everybody shares the same sort of morals and ethics on this side and then you have that side which   don't share anything  

[00:26:05] Sammy Woodhouse:

share anything in common at all. I'm no expert in in religion. Samely. Samely. I'll I'll just focus on   Muslims and Christians for a second because I feel they're the kind of most things. Now if there's one thing you've got to  

[00:26:18] Guramit Singh:

say that they do really stick together, they won't back down Oh, yeah. To their religion. You've all almost got to respect that. Yeah. When I when I look at the church, I feel and I felt this for some time, I feel that I feel that the church is weak. Okay. What's happened here is precisely what our governments have done. They've let the church be watered down. They've let it be weak. The Christians in this country over and over again have been attacked by its own country, by its politicians, and that's why it has become wheat and watered down. Christianity has as a whole. The Muslims are very staunch in their beliefs and their values. There is no water in it down. That's why they are where they are, and they're heading on the trajectory that they are. Now what you have seen in this country is a big resurgence of Christianity.   There's more and more people going towards it. They're becoming stronger. It's not the soy boy of Christianity that you see now and then. It's the more hard nosed one that you see people like. I don't know if you know Bob the Builder from, Danny. He's I've I've never met him myself. What was a cartoon? No. You're selling a cartoon. Typical Yorkshire woman. Okay. No. You still watch cartoons, do you? Oh, that's your grandson. Bob the builder is one of these, Christian spokespersons who's at Speakers' Corner every Sunday. Oh, I've never I've never been there. I'll send you a link to his YouTube. It's called soccer films or something like that. And he's out there and he's debating with Muslims and all other religions on a weekly basis. He puts everybody to shame. His type of Christianity is the Christianity that I know which I grew up with. Because I grew up in an area of Beeston Nottingham. Shout out all the Beeston crew. And I grew up in an area, very Christian area. I went to a Sevin primary school. Okay. I went to a Sevin nursery. I was in the church every day. I went to a Sevin primary school. I was in the church once or so a week. I went to a Christian secondary school. So I grew up around Christians. And so, you know, Christianity is is deeply rooted within me, although I am a C. I'm a 100% C. The vicar that raised us at them churches, he still lives a few doors down from my mom and grandma. You know what I mean? I still see them. It's a lovely community. So Christianity, I I know how beautiful and incredible a religion it is and and and how accepting they were of me when I grew up in my community was absolutely incredible. Yeah. So that's why I trust Christianity. On the other hand, I can't trust Islam because of the problems that it's caused in our community and our people over the centuries. But Christianity has been watered down. The media has let it been taken the piss off. Here's another here's another,   example of 2 tier policing. I saw a few days ago an old lead gentleman, he must have been about 70, 75, 80 years old, and he was standing on a little pedestal in the city in England. He was just preaching the gospel. He was taught to get down now, arrest him, throw him away, fart disorder. But then you've got bosoms that are just lining up on the streets of whatever city you pray in, got words said, don't say anything to them. Say anything to them, you know, we'll lock you up. Why is it so much fear there? Because I mean, you know, let's look at my history. You've got rather than 1400 children abused, groomed, raped, tortured, trafficked, some even murdered. Yeah. Evidence showed that majority were Pakistani Muslim men that was doing it. 100%. Yeah.  

And people were scared to be called racist to me on the phone. Right? Because because they're fearful to be calling any saying anything to Muslims because of the label that you get of far right or racist and this, that, and the other because that's what we put into. We've seen and it's been proven, especially in your circumstance with the rather engraving scandal over and over again, since the since the Alexis Jay report to recent apologies given out by,   constabras, etcetera,   that they failed the community. They've admitted it. And they said it was for the basis of community cohesion and this, that, and the other, and they didn't want to upset it. They brushed a lot of these charges and crimes under the carpet.   Let me know if I'm wrong or anything. I'm going off what I've read. They brushed a lot of these crimes under the carpet and did not arrest people for quite a while because they didn't they didn't want to, you know, mess anything up within the community. And the only reason why anyone started getting charged is because I named  

[00:29:52] Sammy Woodhouse:

a politician, a Labour politician in The Times newspaper.  

[00:29:55] Guramit Singh:

So they were forced into it. Right. 100% you see. Yeah. You see there's this thing where when it comes to the Islamic community you can't say anything, you can't touch it. And I can go back to an example of the story Tommy Robinson told me one time. We organized a demonstration up north, and I couldn't be there at the time. I'm not can't remember what area it was because I used to organize the the demos for the EDL. But then Tommy went Tommy Tommy Tommy and Kev got sent to do one. And he spoke to a police officer in the north of England, and then they wanted to do a demonstration in a certain area. And the police officer said you can't do it in that area because we don't want another Bradford riots. So basically, Tommy says, so what you're basically saying, you're you're you're policing under mob rule because you don't want the Muslims kicking off of you. We can't go there. He basically said, yeah. So the the police are fearful of the Islamic community. They've got the police under their pocket, the Islamic community out, and they've also got politicians in their pocket now as well. They've got a large number that are very enforced,   and they're quite active, and that's the problem. So it's like we're being blackmailed by them. It's ridiculous. We can't have our voice, but you can have yours, say what you want, do what you want, rate what you want, kill what you want, but we can't even say we don't agree with that. Because if we do if we do say that, we get thrown in bloody jail. You know what I mean? It's ridiculous. I mean, what's your thoughts on it? What do you think is actually going what what what why do you think that Christians are having such a bad time and Muslims get such a bad good time with, peace officers, let's say, in general?  

Well, I've seen I've seen this since I was 14. And if I'm honest, I I don't think much has changed. I think people are still Why do you why do you think the Islamic community get an easier time with the police and our government and our press than what Britain's own Christian community do? What do you think?  

[00:31:27] Sammy Woodhouse:

I don't know why the reason is, but I do think,   that British values are being pushed out. Yeah. I do think and it it as well, if you look at families, so if you have your typical   white family, you've got, a married couple that have 2 or 3 kids. Yeah. If you look at a Muslim family, you know, they're they're much bigger. Now I remember actually talking to a guy years years years ago and he said and he he he wasn't born Muslim, he converted. He was imprisoned, converted. He was now Muslim.   And he said it was his job, another   Muslim men's job, to get as many women pregnant Yeah.  



[00:32:01] Guramit Singh:

So they could overrule the country. Yeah. It is. Yeah. It's called rape jihad, you know what I mean? Marriage jihad. They want to get as many women pregnant so they can increase their population. It's been going on forever. That's one of the reasons I put down to grooming scandals, you know what I mean? It's been happening in their religion for that for 1600 years, you know what I mean? It's a part of it. Yeah. I think as well that when we look at religion, like I said I'm not an expert.  

[00:32:21] Sammy Woodhouse:

Now I lived as a Muslim woman. It worked through choice. I'm in a domestic violence relationship. I don't even talk about it because it it went awful Don't talk about it. Experience, but   I think   for women in religion, it can be very different   to to men. And of course, you can't judge every experience on, you know, these are Muslim people that live as women very happily. But I think that religion very much contradicts our laws and I think what we need to   understand or figure out,  

[00:32:48] Guramit Singh:

do we live by law of the land or religion? Yeah. You see a lot are very different. You see a lot of the laws were brought were brought in by a Christian religion. They're Christian laws. You know what I mean? What we all live by. But what one of the main things is, you know, we're all supposed to be equal, you know. Yeah. It should be what's good is good is for the gander. We all should be the same. We should be treated equally. We should be allowed off freedom of speech. We should be Yeah. We should be protected equally by the police and stuff, by the establishment.  

[00:33:12] Sammy Woodhouse:

Our politicians are supposed to be our slaves, not our slave masters. Yeah. I don't see that happening. I see the opposite for us, but I do see that I do see that those actually being applied then for with the Islamic community, but not with the non Islamic community. I don't I don't think we're we're treated equally. I mean, in my household, I'm white. My oldest son is half Pakistani. My youngest son is half black. Yeah. I want us all to have the same rights, I really feel. And and to be honest, how how I feel with everything going off in the country at the minute, I don't feel safe for any of us. Yeah. Yeah. I've actually sit down with him and say, you know, you you kinda you can't go in that place, you can't be in that area. Yeah. It's true. I mean, it's my son's 18th birthday next week. He wants to go to a night call. Yeah. He wants to go out into town and so forth. You know? Yeah. And I I don't want him to go. I mean, I was in an area the other day, majority of Pakistani Muslim people live there, which I always have to be on my guard anyway because of, obviously, the investigation.   But I saw 3 men. I straight away put my phone on my card. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%.  

That's insane. Tensions are high, and I do think that politicians are media of cards there. Yeah. Tensions are high. It is down to the politicians. And the reason that the violence on this street, especially at the moment, is because our politicians are more interested at arresting people that make silly little comments on Facebook. I think they've done this deliberately because you don't care. I mean, listen. Politicians are intelligent people. Yeah. 100%. What are they supposed to be? Well, they're supposed to be. Why are you such intelligent people acting so sick? Yeah. You don't put information out there like that Yeah. Thinking there's not gonna be a backlash. So what they've done is Yeah. They've they've, you know, kinda caused this, you know, big tension and divide between all the communities, writing started and everything, and now what they're gonna do is lock everything down. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's all about control. I think they've always wanted it this way. I But to bring in control   and all these measures,   you have to make the people feel they want it and need it. I understand where you're coming from. And I think that's what this is about. I completely believe completely agree with your theories right there. I do believe it is about control and a lot of the the lot of the tensions that they're stoking up, they're not gonna see it in their own communities because they hardly live in the areas that are affected by these problems. I've sat and watched and as well people I I, you know, had a lot of respect for I've worked for and I've seen how they've spoke about everything and what's gone off And I have called them out on on some occasions of it, and I just think,   why are you why are you kind of, you know, being so vocal on something you clearly know nothing about? Precisely. Yeah. You're not in there. You know, you're not meeting people. You're not speaking to them. They'll turn up to lay a wreath or something like that, but but what happened previously and after that, they don't really come down the path. You know? I'll be honest, like, with all my work. Now for 11 years, I've worked in government. I've worked in media. Yeah. I've spoke to a lot of people, but when I speak to survivors and family members, it's usually over the phone, down the line, at a couple of conferences, etcetera.  

I've learnt so much over the last few weeks. I'm travelling around the country and actually meeting people, and I've met with all different people, different races, religions, both the left, the right, the far right, the far left. Because we never we never talk about the left. Yeah. We always talk about the right. Yeah. 100%. I've I've not seen hardly any coverage about what the left have been doing. Yeah. And I've seen them do some pretty brutal stuff. Too too. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. There's good and bad on all sides. Yeah. 100%. But that's opened my eyes to so much what's going on. I'll be honest, it's really pissed me off how a lot of people have been branded because even though as a reporter, you know, you have to go there balanced and and see both sides of it.   I am a person who's working class and I do consider myself a person on the right. Yeah. So when I see reporters that I've worked with for 11 years and politicians   branding me as a far right sort and all of   it, it pisses me off. And it also just shows you how much how much BS and lies that they are full of you on the other hand. Because the thing is, right, when when they say no, we don't know what we're talking about, so, you know, I'm now a far right sort. I've done more for this country in regards to child protection than most of those politicians put together.  

They've just labelled everybody and I know a lot of activists that have also done the same amount of work as me have been branded that and their pissed off as well. 100%. Yeah.  

[00:36:55] Guramit Singh:

The the what they're doing is proving that our theories are correct, that they are liars, they are filth like that. They are just pushing wrong narratives to make a divide in between us. And there's reporters like yourself that are out there, and people that are part, let's say, of Urban Scoop dot news are out there and exposing them for what they are. But we need more of that and more of that to try and gain some traction back onto our side and start letting our voices be heard. So all the work that you're doing is absolutely fantastic. I think, I've only been at Urban Scoop for about a month now. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Now I think that Urban Scoop, even though they've got a female following, I think they're very much male led.  

[00:37:29] Sammy Woodhouse:

Yeah. And one thing that I wanted to do when I got got on board was give, you know, give those females   a platform. Definitely. You know, they're survivors as well that mainstream media you don't want to work with. 100%. Yeah. So I did speak to her about, you know, kind of maybe a female   protest to focus on protection for children and women. 100%.   And a lot of people seem to riot and I'd print art then and people seem to really be on board with it to see it's a good idea. I mean you know what, just to just to talk about 2 tier policing back in the day, I remember when there was a Sarah Everhard,  

[00:38:00] Guramit Singh:

Sarah Everhard   vigil down in London for that lady that got murdered. And they were mostly   white middle class women that were down there. And did you see how the police dealt with them? You know, with battles and stuff like that. Yes. I remember. To women. To white women. Yeah. I mean, if there were Muslim women, that would never have happened. Do you think they'll do it to me? Pardon? Do you think they'll do it to me? I'll tell you what, we'll send a few lads anyway to make sure they don't. I'll be there for you. We'll send David there. You know what I mean? He'll be there with his camera to fight him off for you. Don't worry. You'll be alright. But yeah. But but but then and then literally a week or so later, you had BLM. They were that they were they were getting down on one knee for them. Yeah. This is what you're fighting again. And the work that you guys are doing is imperative towards it. So get our voices out there and get some rights back into our hands. We're losing our rights. That's why people are so bloody angry. And there is this control thing. And I I do actually believe I've been reading a lot about this replacement thing, Ham, and and it comes into it when you say that Christianity is being watered down and our values are being taken away and our morals are taken away. I I keep seeing this replacement the the great replacement   theory coming into place where it is a case of taking away the British culture and replacing it with something completely different, completely alien, and I think it was the Islamic one. You know what I mean? We don't want that for our country, so, you know, we've got to speak out as as loud as we can. Yeah. We've not got much time left. No. So Yeah.  



[00:39:12] Sammy Woodhouse:

First of all, what do we need to do to fix things? I ain't got a clue.   I'm joking. I'm joking.  

[00:39:21] Guramit Singh:

Okay. So,   I mean I mean, the only way this is gonna get fixed now is, I personally believe, politically, I think we guys are in a position where Tommy's organizing these huge demonstrations, and they're getting a lot of traction, and he's getting the voice out there, and he's getting the sort of he's getting the ex he's getting the he's getting the expose that he exposure that he used to have back in the day, especially now he's had his Twitter back. I think they need to continue to start giving people a place to go to meet like minded individuals who they can talk to and, you know, and and people who can help them, you know, people who who share their concern are willing to put our arm around them and help them in any single way. I went to the July 27th one. I I did some reporting from there and I also got on stage and spoke about me born from rape campaign. Yeah. I wouldn't even describe that as a protest. It was like a festive No. A 100%. Yeah. It wasn't a protest. It was a gambling. 10,000 of people   Yeah. And it was peaceful. Yeah. A 100%. I thought it was great. Beautiful. Wasn't it? Beautiful. But the press obviously don't say that. The politicians don't say that. I think the couple journalists did start to swear that on TV news. Well well, here well, here's what we need then. We need to keep holding them events so we start swaying a few more people and it starts really getting out there. We can finally prove that what the 2 tier Kia and his party have been saying and what some Yeah. Journalists outputs have been saying are complete lies about us. But I think we need to get behind reform because I believe they are the only party that are gonna be for the British people regardless if you're white, black, or brown that will keep our values in check and give the rights back to the people. I think I think they need to be careful though because if they're not careful, and I've already seen this. What's that? They need to be careful,  

[00:40:50] Sammy Woodhouse:

that the people don't start to turn against them. Yeah. Because I think what what kinda Nigel did with it, he said he said everything right and then he kinda chucked Tommy under the bus. Now Yeah. I've had my views of Tommy. I think I remember you've been quite critical of Tommy on somebody here back in the day. Next Tuesday once or twice. I probably still would, to be fair. Yeah. Yeah.   But there's things I agree with him, and obviously, someone that, you know, that's gonna be the case. Not everybody agrees and disagrees on things. Exactly. We're human. But when I look at Tommy Nigel, they're saying the same things. I know a 100%. I know Tommy's more focused on his laugh, you know, and, of course, you you can't criticize his laugh because you get a lot more stick for that. But I do think that they're saying the same things, and I think Nigel Yeah. When he's going against Tommy, he's going against a a lot of them. Nigel was critical of Tommy Robertson back in the day. I saw that a few times.  

[00:41:37] Guramit Singh:

I think I I think it would be a dangerous game for Nigel to brush Tommy under the carpet. You know what I mean? Because Tommy does have a lot of support and he can bring a hell of a lot of support to reform, and he has been promoting it in some ways as well. So I think it would be a great alliance for them too, but I think people just do need to get but what my but just my opinion, because I can't tell people how to vote. I'm not a star. You know what I mean? So it's under the current labor party. But I think people do need to get behind the form, and then maybe 4 or 5 years down the line, we get a party and that actually cares for us and can take us back to them good times and worse than that. People have no leader and I think that's why people turn to Tommy. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Because if you look at every party, even Nigel Yeah. Yeah. He has called everybody pretty much, you know, Far Right, Tug and all of this. Yeah. There's no leader there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. When when I when I was asked by Tommy to speak because I did I did him a video for the June event Yeah. Just to tell a little bit about that and then I went in person in July. Yeah. Now did I kinda think, will this kinda tarnish things for me? Yeah. It did. And I know the risks  

[00:42:35] Sammy Woodhouse:

involved, but I still decided   to go along because I knew what platform was there. Yeah. And for me, when I'm raising awareness to try and educate people and change laws and all of this,   exploitation happens to all audiences. 100%. It don't just happen to the left, it happens to the right, you know, even the far left, the far right. I think it's important to educate everybody. Yeah. So what I didn't wanna do,  

[00:42:58] Guramit Singh:

is is, you know, not represent those people. Yeah. I think it's great that you've actually stood up. You know what I mean? Because a lot of people do get fearful to attend these events or to stand up and speak and say their opinion, and I think you're a shining example of people can do than people should do. You know what I mean? You need to stick with what you believe in even if we are gonna get labelled with this, that, and the other. We know it's ridiculous, and we know it's completely false. So we need to go with what's wrong. And the the thing is as well, and I'm not gonna sit and say Tommy's an angel. We know he's not. Yeah.  

[00:43:23] Sammy Woodhouse:

There is people in our industry I think he's an angel.   So sorry. We'll call him so much. Yeah.   But there's,  

[00:43:35] Guramit Singh:

there's people far worse in our industry. Oh, bloody hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I when I kinda hear some of the things and I wouldn't even put them on the level of bad, you know what I mean? Yeah. But then even with the politicians that we're dealing with nowadays and the media, I mean, they're really at the bottom of the bottom of the army. There's people in our industry  

[00:43:50] Sammy Woodhouse:

that have been in prison for murder,   for domestic violence,   for drug dealing, for stabbing people. They've now got their own charities, organizations, and they're funded by the government. So when I look at Tommy compared to all these people   Yeah. In some respects, he's a little bit of a pussycat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, definitely. If you got his app, I would have done more. Yeah. No worries. You think you're now, I'll get him.   And   and it's what I was asking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When, you know, people said, well, you've now aligned yourself with Tommy. Yeah. Yeah. And people saying he's radicalized you. He's really Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:44:23] Guramit Singh:

Tommy Groomer. You you you you'd have to be you'd have to you know what? If you knew Tommy Robinson like we knew Tommy Robinson, and I've learned him for a hell of a long time, you know the thought that he could radicalize someone is the most   ridiculous not just a person in the room in here. I know. Yeah. Precisely. Tommy. You know what I mean? I think sometimes you said that it's your fault. Don't fucking blame me. You know what I mean? If somebody ever goes I would've said, mate, everything I do now, Tommy gets blame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is They they they they're gonna wanna pin the pin the pin the blame somewhere because they don't wanna pin it on you because you're a survivor of such Yeah. You know, a critical court case that happened back in the day. But, you know, they're they're gonna try and put the they're gonna they're gonna try and shift the blame onto him somehow. I mean, even with these rights, try to shift the blame onto him somehow. Now I've been trying to bring him down and down because he's coming up so much. Because he's coming up so much and coming so successful, this is the time they're gonna try and nail him. So any blame they can put anywhere, they're gonna put him on his head. You know what I mean? But this is the time we've all really got to get behind him and hopefully, there's talks of another demonstration coming. So when something happens They're trying to pin the   everything to do with the riots on him. I know. Yeah. Hold on a second. So just a minute. What what do you think is gonna happen with that? Well, it's just ridiculous, isn't it? You can't pin it on him. There's no evidence of it. He went over he went abroad the minute that demonstration was over. These riots have got nothing to do with him, nothing that he said. He's never he's never condoned the riots. He's condemned them. You know what I mean? So it's just ridiculous. I I think I think to give it any airspace at all is just a waste of everybody's time. You know what I mean? But people will look. The media look. The the the peep because the people of this country will look and see what the media have said and see the falsehoods that the politicians have been pushing once again. And it's just another example to the people that your media are lying, your politicians are lying to you, and the police are still too tearing as normal. And so, you know, it's it's playing into our hands at the end of the day, I think. Now I could sit and say a lot of things that need to change. Yeah. But the question is, is it going to change?  

I think if we have stick to our beliefs and we stick to our path, which is the right path, and we go down it in a humble,   you know, working way in a humble, loving   way where all our ethics and our morals are on the same track, I think that we do have a strong chance. But I don't think it's gonna happen overnight. I mean, we started the EDL back in 2008   and thought we could make head moves, you know what I mean? By 2011,   we did a bit, we lit a fire that got the whole world speaking about militant Islam and extremist Muslims.   But, you know, I but it didn't change obviously. Now, I've actually I think things have got worse in this country. I think if we all stick together and all our people who share the same concerns,   if we stick together and keep family and keep ourselves first, I think there is a way of getting there at the end, but it's gonna take a while. But I think what we do need is we need politicians that are actually gonna back us and give the voice back to the British people because that's one thing that we've lost. We need protected. We need taken care of. We need we need we need we need a we need a government that are gonna put countrymen first instead of themselves first. They need to be our slaves, not our slave masters, like I'm like Margaret Thatcher one said. So yeah. So I think there is a way, but, you know, I'm I'm I'm ready for the ride, and I'm sure you're gonna be there as well. And we'll have a few laughs and jokes on the way. Let's see where we get. Yeah. I think we should buy this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you'll be alright, Chelsea. I've seen a lot worse. You know what I mean? But yeah. Great. So,  

[00:47:24] Sammy Woodhouse:

just before we could, though Yeah.   Just before we'd done that. Just before we could, and I've totally forgot what the question there. And I've it's what I've been wanting to ask right away.   What do you think Urban Scoop could do for the people?  

[00:47:36] Guramit Singh:

I think what Urban Scoop is doing for the people is is, you know, is is very important. It's imperative.   It's giving the people the good news, the right news, the correct news   by,   like minded individuals, and I think they just need to keep doing that. They're giving the people a voice. The the they're giving,   reporters a voice, journalists a voice,   to put their work out there, and I think it's absolutely fantastic. And the work that all you guys are doing are brilliant. Yeah. I think it's perfect.  

[00:48:02] Sammy Woodhouse:

So last question. Go on then.   This whole situation with the writing has pretty much been blamed on EDL. And with you as being one of the leaders Yeah. Do you feel   that you're safe?  

[00:48:14] Guramit Singh:

Yes. I don't know. Because once again, it's pure bullshit. And so There's lots of people that don't believe it's bullshit. I mean, look, everything that the media is saying, everything that the the mainstream media is saying is completely lies. Yes. The China pin it on I mean, if this was something if there was an English defense league and these riots were organized by English defense league, I'd be locked up in phoning jail with the rest of them right now. Yeah. Because it'd probably be me organizing them. But there is no English defense league. They've not been organized by EDO. So it's all just fallacies put over put put put put on the table again by false journalists and false media. And and false journalists and false politicians. You know what I mean? I I have no worries or concerns about it because at the end of the day, the truth always comes out. These lies aren't gonna bring us down. So I don't have any concerns about it. You know what I mean? My name started getting buzzed in there a little bit. It's working into my hands a little bit because I've only just started my social media back up. I've still started getting on x and YouTube and all that. So my numbers have started increasing from it. So maybe in one way it's helped me. But So Elon Musk Yeah. He's getting hammered a little bit, ain't he? Well, I don't think he's getting hammered. I think he's the doing the hammering.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a big difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So,  

[00:49:20] Sammy Woodhouse:

I mean, I personally think a lot has changed since Elon's,  

[00:49:24] Guramit Singh:

you know, kinda. Yeah. 100%. Because he's he's bought Twitter to create a platform for free speech, which is precisely what it is. You know? Mean? There's nothing illegal. It's free speech. Sometimes free speech offends people. That does not mean that it's not allowed to be published out there. The things that he said about 2 tier care and the justice system, what's going on in this country, we've got his support and he's highlighted it. He's bringing it to the masses. It's that sort of exposure that's gonna help us is gonna help us guys. So, yeah, God bless you. God bless Elon. I mean, what what I would say about X is because, I'm the big believer in everything in life happens for a reason, a timing and everything. So when Tommy was allowed back on X Yeah. I was actually and that week, I'd actually sat down with my kids and I said I'm not gonna be doing  

[00:50:04] Sammy Woodhouse:

my activism and stuff anymore. I were gonna just try because I know it'd be a Labour government. I'm gonna try and just push my last few campaigns, but I was kinda walking away from this whole situation because   I just felt   I didn't   fit anywhere   Yeah. In the work that I was doing. I kind of felt like my views Yeah. Even though I know other people who've got them, they can't speak on them Yeah. Because, you know, they get threatened,   you know, they'll lose their jobs, etcetera.   So when Tommy came back on Yeah. I was like, oh,  

[00:50:33] Guramit Singh:

this kinda got a little bit interesting. Let's see how things work out. Yeah. So how did it work out for you then? How are you finding it? Well, I'm sat here with you. So Well, there you go. That's you going in the right direction, aren't you? There you go. Good movie played there. So we'll see how things work. Yeah. Yeah. With I think it goes fantastic. And your voice and what you've been through, you know, like I said, you can help a lot of, future victims or, you know, future survivors,   you know, in this country and stop and prevent this sort of thing. Sort of atrocities from happening to all the users as well. I think people like you are imperative. It's very important. So I'm glad you didn't stop your activism. So good on you. Yeah. Yeah. So,   yeah. Let's see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. I'll be here along the journey full with you as well. So we'll see what happens. I'm sure we'll have a good laugh. High five.  



[00:51:15] Sammy Woodhouse:

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