SILENCED with Tommy Robinson

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In this episode, we dive deep into a conversation with Tommy Robinson, who shares his current situation and the challenges he faces. Tommy discusses his recent experiences, including being tracked down by the media while on holiday with his children, and the subsequent threats and legal battles he is enduring. He reflects on the impact of these events on his family and his ongoing fight against what he perceives as the politicization and weaponization of the judiciary in the UK.

Tommy recounts his interactions with various individuals and organizations, including his views on immigration and the legal system. He also touches on his experiences with the media and the legal repercussions he has faced for his activism. The discussion covers his stance on free speech, the influence of social media platforms, and his thoughts on other public figures like Andrew Tate and Russell Brand.

The episode also explores broader themes of censorship, the role of independent journalism, and the importance of free speech in the face of governmental and institutional pressures. Tommy shares his plans for the future, including his determination to continue his fight despite the risks and challenges.

Listeners are encouraged to watch Tommy's documentaries and support independent journalism to stay informed about these critical issues.

[00:00:02] Unknown:

Tommy.  

[00:00:04] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Yes. How are you?  

[00:00:06] Unknown:

Good. Good. Can I even ask where you're at at the moment?  

[00:00:11] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I'm changing regularly where I'm at. I mean, to be honest, I'll tell you, my children, there is some goodness that comes of this. Obviously,   you saw they tracked me down to where I was on holiday with my children. I obviously was fully aware that I was gonna have these proceedings coming up, the attempt to put me in prison or probably the when they do put me in prison, but I had all this coming up. So I booked 2 weeks away with my children. After 2 days, the Daily Mail tracked us down and doxed where my kids were, which   then Sky News, BBC News, many other news agencies turned up at the hotel. They ruined it. They would obviously put my children in danger,   and I was faced with the option of leaving, which I did do after 2 days. So, unfortunately, I had to leave. I but I left my kids because we I was with multiple families who had children, so I didn't want my children to ruin their time, so I left them. And then a gentleman contacted me who I've never met, and he offered me,   time away with my family. So my children had a great 2 weeks with my friends and their children, and then they left there and then they come to meet me where I am now. And my children have just left tonight. So I've had my kids with me for another 8 or 9 days. We've had a fabulous time, but put on by a gentleman I've never even met who's given me a home to live in, took me out on boats, took me out on jet skis. So some some goodness come of it. My children had a great 3 or 4 weeks. So regardless of what they tried to do,   my children have gone home tonight, which was sad. I've just let they've just left. And,   yeah, I haven't really been on my phone because I promised them that some time with them because my phone doesn't stop.  

But I've obviously   I'm facing more charges. You've seen that. What the what the whole country has seen, what the world has watched over the last 2 weeks.   Do I take some satisfaction   from the fact now that everyone can see the politicization   and the weaponization of our courts and judiciary?   I face this you can go on my Wikipedia page and read it. I've never been tried by a jury. I faced the same judges with the same decisions to imprison people for nonsense,   which is what we're all witnessing play out now across the UK.  

[00:02:08] Unknown:

Tommy, I had Alex Jones, Andrew Tae, Kim dotcom on my stage a few days ago. I've had him a few times, but they were they're talking about what's happening to Pavel, the CEO and founder of Telegram. And I asked him a question,   and I wanna ask you the same question is,   we're gonna dig into what you've been through because it was difficult for me to digest what you've been through considering that, you know, I've always looked up to the UK. I'm originally from Australia.   Is it has it all been worth it? Would you say would you genuinely say with everything you've gone through, with your divorce, with not being able to see with your kid, going to jail,   the the the the court the court,   prosecuting you further today with the announcement today that came out as well, And you being on the run, was it all is it all worth it?  



[00:02:53] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

It's a that's a question, you know, today especially because   I knew 4 days ago that they had they were I was facing   other separate charges. Yeah. So I knew 4 days ago, but I hadn't had the conversation with my kids.   Because I'm I I told them I'm gonna be gone for 2 years. Yeah. That's what they're gonna do. So I always look at the worst case scenario   for contempt of court. See, for contempt of court, the current proceedings for playing the film, so because and and and what it's about is they didn't want you, the public, to see their corruption. Yeah. So I've showed you their corruption. Now for one case of that, the maximum they can sentence you to is 2 years. So will they sentence me maximum? Yes. More than likely. So I've got my head around 2 years.   When they hit these next court proceedings, they put them in the separate proceedings.  

So that means the judge can go, right. I'm giving you 2 years for this and I'm giving you another 2 years on top for this. That's me that's like what they can do. Yeah. So I had to sit and watch today as this broke all over the Internet. I didn't realize it was gonna break. I hadn't had that conversation yet, so I watched as my kids started reading it and understanding it. And then I had to have that conversation today. So when you say, has it been worth it?   Watching the effect it's had on my family and continues to have,   that's my regret   seeing that. But then also,   I don't at the same time at the same time, unfortunately and I've done an interview this week with Richard Grannon. So last week, he flew out to where I was. And I I spoke him through, and my message and I got emotional saying it. My message was to   the mothers,   the wives, and the children   of the men,   the British political prisoners who have been imprisoned over the last 2 weeks,   because they'll be asking all these same questions. Yeah? I know the terror and fear that each one of those men are going through. I don't know if you're aware what's happening to the British men who have been put in the prison system. They're being fed to to them. The criminal Muslim gangs have been beating them, attacking them. These men are normal British working men. They're not lifelong criminals like the prisons are full of. Yeah. Radicalized extremist jihadists, and they're not a match for them. They're just men that work every day, who have been betrayed, who have watched the decline of their country, who feel upset, who feel aggrieved with government failures and policies,   and then they've gone out and got angry about it. You have to look at what these men have been jailed for. Yes. Some of them have been for shouting, whose streets are streets. One gentleman   and I've we're we're currently now I always think, how can I fight back? Yeah. That's just in me. I just think when they're doing something and you know what I've done? I made a video saying I'm making a documentary about the riots, the truth about the riots, the truth about what happened this summer. Yeah. I'm gonna prove Keir Starmer a liar. You're doing you're doing another you're doing another documentary despite everything.  

I'm doing it now. And as soon as I announced that, it was 2 days later, they announced these charges. So and and that's it. So I am making another documentary. Before they put me in prison, it will be released.   I'm I'm grateful that I have Sammy Woodhouse on the team now with Urban Scoop. She has spent this week in and then and they're attacking her now. The mainstream are going after her, but she she's a survivor from Rotherham who joined the team I work for. And for the last this week, she's been out interviewing the families. We're gonna tell the stories   of the of the insane sentences   that these people are getting. Yeah. So what for example, one case we've sat down with today   is a family who and these these men have been blackmailed. Yeah. So one lad was arrested. They dawn raided him. This is what they're doing. They're like terrorism raids. They've come through and arrested him. He was at a demonstration.  

They've got no accusation of him doing anything violent. Yeah. He waves his England flag and shouts, whose streets are streets? When they sat him down, they said, who's that next to you? Yeah. When he's on the demonstration, it's the mother of his newborn child.   Right. If you don't hold your hands up, basically,   we're gonna go and arrest her. Yeah. They threatened each of these families with social services with their children. So he's held his hands up. They've given him 3   years. They've given him 3 years for saying whose streets are streets. Now the message I and I get this message, I would have liked to have done a video doing it, but I've done this in the interview I've done, and I got emotional about it because that mother and I've been speaking to that boy's mom who's in jail. They're scared. All of them are scared. Yeah.   But what they don't realize is their son   or their partner is playing a pivotal role.  

You might think it's a waste of time. He's gone to jail. No. He had go to jail. These draconian measures, the public need to see this.   Yeah. They are Mars. They're current Mars. They'll make me a Mars. But these peep each one of these men, whether it be for shouting, we've seen it we've seen a granddad who shouted, Allah, Allah, who the fuck is Allah? That's all he said. And do you know what? We're looking through that case. He tried to leave the demonstration. The police didn't let him. These men have gone out on lawful legal protests, and what they what this is about, these are the weapons and tools of a totalitarian   state. A politicized   judiciary, a weaponized judiciary, a 2 tier police force, and when they want to turn the weapon on, they do. And where they can put a target on whoever they want, and we've seen that over the last 2 weeks. And I'm gonna make a film that's gonna show and prove all that to you. Yeah. This isn't about law. It isn't about justice.  

It's about using that as a weapon, and I faced that for 10 to 15 years. People wouldn't believe what I've seen and gone through when I haven't even broken a law. Yeah. I've watched judges completely change rules and everything and context of what's been said and take away meaning, and that's what they're doing on this. And again, there's an example, one lad who got 2 year 8 months,   he went online. He copied and pasted   what a Tory counselor's wife had put online. Yeah. And in the context, it it was it was it was dreadful what she said. Yeah. So what she said was criminal. She's been arrested. She's on remarks. Yeah. But what he said, he quoted it, and then he said, I'm not advocating for this. Yeah. I don't I don't believe this. I'm merely You're talking about you're talking about Tyler. Yeah? Yeah. He's merely pointing it out. He's he's in he's in jail for 2 years, 8 months. There's mothers. Yeah. Mothers of 5 there's so many. There's an 81 year old man who's now facing trial. That's enough to kill him. You've arrested an 81 year old man for words, for shouting on the street. Why is he angry? And the other point, which needs proving, yeah, they which they don't wanna talk about, Kias Sharma successfully   managed to get around the government having to mention about why why people are angry just by blanketing on on the far right. In to Hanworth, where there was trouble at the hotel, what they don't wanna tell you is that Mohammed from the hotel, yeah, a migrant that we're paying for to house, came out of that hotel and raped an English woman as you all don't. But we'll be interviewing the families of some of the British women who have been raped. Yeah. And then you cannot so then don't blame it on the far right. You're gonna call that father far right when you've ruined his daughter's life because the man that you put in a hotel at the end of his family's road, who the home office have placed there, who you haven't checked, who you put in a hotel has gone on to rape an English woman in that town, and everyone in that town knows what's happened and that's why they're angry. So that's why they've come out to the hotel. We've had another gentleman who just put another gentleman who just put the name of a hotel. So when the rat riots are going on in Southport, he just put the name of his local hotel town   and said Knaresborough next or whatever like that. They've they've put him in jail for 3 years.  

It's insane. Yeah. But what this is what this is an attempt to do   and it's only successful if we let them be successful. So no matter how scared people are, obviously, I'm worried. Yeah. I'm very worried. I don't I don't think they wanna lock me up for 2 years, 4 years. I want I think they wanna lock me up and send me away for a very long time. Yeah. But I also also am fully aware   I'm fully aware that each one of these roles that's happened this week, so the families, the men that are in jail now who are going through the worst times, whose parents and wives are petrified and crying properly every night,   They're playing a pivotal role in awakening our nation. Yeah. These sorts of things have to happen   in order for the public to be awake. So many people are asleep.  

What's happened? Ask yourself this. Are more people awake to the 2 tier policing system now than more than ever? Yeah. What has it done? It's exposed and highlighted the way they do this to have cameras waiting. So one gentleman gets nicked on a Saturday live with cameras outside his house with the media, because the media is the other weapon of the totalitarian state. So they have the media come as they raid and dawn raid the house. They throw his 7 year old daughter out of the way as they burst into the house because he said something on Facebook. That's on a Saturday. By Monday, he's in magistrate's court. They're threatening him with social services, threatening his family by Tuesday's in jail.   That that's on and and then all of it's played out on the media as a weapon, and that is done to install fear. How many people now don't even know what they're allowed to say? How many people now are worried about going on legal, lawful protest? If we allow them to install that fear, this what's happened this week, in the last 2 weeks, is our January 6th. January 6th was instigated by the government in order to then make Americans and you see it all the time now. All Americans say, oh, that it's a setup if we go and protest. They're making people not want to protest, too fearful to protest, thinking everything's a setup. It's a democratic right to protest.  

We we held massive celebrations and protests without any trouble, which is why they're unhappy. So, yeah, I'm worried. Is it all worth   it? In the role that we're playing, not worth it for me. No. Not worth it for my family, but for the cause, yeah, 100%.   They put me in jail. It's the worst thing that they will can do, but they are full of that much hate and that much bitterness about wanting to silence us that they probably will. Well, in fact, they won't probably will. They will. Yeah. They will. I currently await terrorism offenses on the 25th October.  

[00:12:30] Unknown:

Terrorism? What what what are the charges based on? Why terrorism?  

[00:12:34] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

So the charges so the day after we held, we held a 100000 people peacefully in a rally in Trafalgar Square. We had a celebration of British identity. All the things they don't want. K? They don't want unity. They don't want us. We united. We we called it uniting the kingdom. And then there's there's been a big hit piece on me yesterday saying Tommy Robinson wants to unite the Sikhs, the Jews,   the blacks, the gays. Yeah. I do. Yeah. I'm gonna unite everyone. Don't want to. I'm gonna. And we are gonna. Yeah. And all this does, you might delay it a little bit, but it doesn't stop it. Imprisoning us doesn't stop it. K. None of it stops it. The country's awake. The public, of course, awake. They're more awake than ever before. People aren't gonna be silenced. So you might, obviously, we have to regroup, rethink, but the terrorism thing, I I went to the doctors as I was leaving the country,   on 20th, the day after our 100,000th   celebration in Trafalgar Square. I was detained by counterterrorism.  

And when they detained me, they made it very clear. They they detained me because, under article 7, I think it is, article 7, which means that from the minute they stop you, that once they start questioning you in an interview room, they have 6 hours.   And in those 6 hours, you do not have a right to remain silent. So I sit you down. Right. You've got no right right to remain silent. Can I explain what that means? What does it mean? It means that we're gonna ask you questions now about everything and anything. If you don't answer us, then you are breaching terrorism legislation.   You will be prosecuted under the Terrorism Act. If you do not give us your PIN codes to your phone, you'll be prosecuted   under the Terrorism Act. So that and then they sit down and they went on to question me about everything that they shouldn't be able to question me about, my legal, lawful activities,   the the cultural movement that we're building, who's involved, what are our plans, what are we doing next, who are we working with, how how do you this is one of the questions from counter terrorism police. How do you think you're going to stop the great replacement? That was the question.  

It's like, really?   You're sitting here, and I don't have right to remain silent on any of these issues. So you can ask me all things about my lawful work as a journalist. And I read through because I had about 2 hours before they started questioning me from when they did when when they stopped me. And in fact, they stopped me in my car at 8 o'clock and then 8 AM. And then from when they questioned me, I read through. And the the quest as a journalist,   my sources of information are protected.   So when they got me into the questioning   and they mentioned my phone because they had my phone, they said, right. We want pink coat pink coat for your phone. Let me read you today what can you still hear me, Maric? Let me just read you We can. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Let me read you today what's come through from my lawyers.  

So they took my phone,   political terrorism. So do you know the definition of to under the under the act, the purpose of a termination system. Okay.   Where are we?   So I'm just reading because I will respond to the police at least to make sure we do that. So hi, Steve, and that is fine.  

[00:15:23] Unknown:

Could you please colleagues from Kent, kindly forward me on your last email. The the Metropolitan Police are now assisting with this matter. So this is where they took my phone, and then they want access to my phone, and they're asking me so, basically, in the court case that I currently face, justice Nicklin is the judge from the film that from the film you've watched at this unfortunate Which is pinned for anyone for anyone listening, that's you have to watch the documentary. Obviously, I watched it preparing for this. It's pinned on Tommy's profile. Highly recommend for anyone to watch it to understand what charges Tommy's facing. It's based on that documentary. And you just watch it. Everyone listening, watch it and tell me if there's anything wrong with it in the comments. It should be prosecuted for that documentary, but go ahead, Tommy. Oh, I'm gonna ask the judge. So as I said, I'm not gonna go quietly. I will ask the judge. But the judge but but but but but but for the judge to to dismiss you, I'm not I'm not a lawyer, but what I don't understand is you had all these witnesses come up on stage,   in the in the court case you referenced in the documentary that's been on your profile. And then the other the other party, I don't know who's who's who's guilty, who's not somewhat positioned to kinda, label anyone, but Jamal had nobody from school, no teachers, no students whatsoever. And then all the witnesses that you brought on on, on,   on on on on the court understand  

[00:16:31] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

they were all labeled liars. So when you say you're gonna tell the judge, do you have any trust, any faith in the British legal system? There is no trust or there is no faith. There's no jury. So there's an there's a judge. And that own that judge so I made a comment. Yeah. So I've I've I've had further evidence,   found out that the judge fell out with his own father, yeah, before my court case because his father joined a group that I'm associated with. So his father was a supporter of our politics,   and the judge fell out of his dad before my case. So the judge should have excused himself, which he didn't. We're looking at legal options now of this of attempting to dismiss that case because he shouldn't have even sat as a judge, but he did sit as a judge. So what he does is he listens to there's covert recordings   of 7 teachers,   including the head teacher. Yeah. All confirming   what I've said. Yeah. So I reported as a journalist, which is my job. I reported to the public   what I was being told was happening at the school with regards to this Syrian refugee. That's why I reported. I just said, look. You're not being told the full truth because the media weren't telling everyone the truth, and the teachers weren't telling anyone the truth. And I was sitting thinking, how come there's lies going around the world and no one's stopping it? So when I put a covert camera on and I approach the teachers, what we find out is they've all been paid. They've been paid by Kirklees Council. They're the head of Kirk it's all in the documentary. Yeah. It's a very good investigation   in the documentary. It's not my opinion. None of it's my opinion. You hear from the school staff, you hear from the teachers, you look at the school records. So the judge ruled that I defamed Jamal. That's what he ruled. He bankrupted me for £1,600,000,   but he he ruled I defamed Jamal   by saying that Jamal threatened to stab someone. Now on the documentary,   we look at the school records   where the teacher says he did stab someone. The teacher, not me again. I didn't say it. The teacher said it. Now what they've done is they paid all these teachers  

[00:18:19] Unknown:

with nondisclosure agreements so they couldn't tell the truth. And And that's using and they're paying but, Tommy, they're paying you're using tax pay taxpayer money to pay those teachers as well to silence them. Yep. But let me take a step back. With everything you're going through right now, now I'm going through a similar predicament on a much smaller scale. There's countries I don't go to. I've had Brazil launch an investigation into me and Elon. I don't go to Brazil. Obviously, Pakistan, because I've had Imran Khan, the prime minister on my stage. I don't go there. Brazil, we've had the president.   I was I was invited by a president, about a week ago,   and the person that you're talking to, Jess, she's the one that's brokering that deal, to go to that country.  

And well, after seeing what happened with,   Pavel in France,   on his way, allegedly, to meet Macron, the prime minister, and then getting arrested,   I'm not going to that country. I'm not going to France.   And now I'm contemplating   adding the UK to the list of countries I would not dare step foot into considering how vocal we've been about, free speech in the country. Would you, under any circumstances at the moment, go back to the UK?  

[00:19:19] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I I I currently plan to go back to the UK. Yes. I currently do. I don't expect I expect to be imprisoned. That's what I expect.   But only for the sense that so, essentially, I'm a view review. Every message I'm receiving from everyone is telling me exactly the same. Do not go back to the UK. Yeah. Do not go back in this current climax. Do not go back. But for me,   I see it as an opportunity to put them on trial to the world.   So I see it as a final nail in their coffin, not mine, maybe in mine as well. But I see it as an opportunity   to put myself there and say, go on then. Because 47,000,000 people have watched that film. 47,000,000   people know I reported the truth. If you're gonna let 47,000,000   people know there is no freedom of the press and no freedom of speech, yeah, which I know. So what has my job been, and what has my what has my mission been for the last 15 years? It's awakening the public. We live under communism. There is no freedom. Yeah. They they just pretend we live in a democracy. We don't. It's all nonsense. It's all all a facade. Yeah. The minute you try and challenge   any of the establishment's narratives, they come down, you look a ton of bricks. The difference is, currently, thanks to Elon Musk. Now if I didn't have an ex account,   no, I would not probably be wanting to go back to the UK. But currently,   you're all gonna follow what happens.  

You're all gonna witness what happens. Okay? Now I I'm worried. Of course, I'm worried. My family are worried. My mom's my they're all terrified. No one because we're witnessing,   and everyone's witnessing,   people haven't broke the law and they've gone to jail. People are being stitched up and set up, which again,   I will would I go back to the UK before my film's ready? No. I will finish my film. Maybe listening to this, they're probably gonna come boot the doors off wherever I am. But we will produce a documentary, and we will prove to the world   that they have gaslit the world about these riots. They've lied. They've gone about misinformation.  

They're all about sentencing people for misinformation.   From the start of those riots I call for Peace Car, there is not one single, in fact, which I'll show on the documentary. Just go on AI.   Like, they said that I instigated the riots. I encouraged violence. Piers Morgan sat, but all of their mouthpieces from the media, police senior leaders blamed it on the English defense league. That organization hasn't been about for a decade.   They lied. They are the ones that continue to push misinformation.   They've done it about Brexit. They've done it about Muslim immigration.  

They've done it about COVID. They've done it about vaccines. They've done it about Ukraine. They've done it about the war in Iraq. They've done it about the war in Afghanistan. They've done it about Assad with chemical weapons. They are the ones who push the misinformation.  

[00:21:51] Unknown:

They're not happy because at the minute, we're in the way of them lying to the public. Would would you would you say Tommy, when you when you look at all these journalists, and I was thinking about this when watching your documentary,   you've got all these people that were either   unintentionally or willingly lying   to the public   and turning a blind eye to the truth.   First, do you think it was willful by every single journalist? And second,   why? When you speak to them, I'm sure some of them reached out to you, why are journalists doing this? Are they being threatened? Is it for financial reasons or are you just completely oblivious   to the truth?  



[00:22:23] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Handful of reasons. So on the documentary, again again, like, what what I've done on that entire film was tried not to give my opinion at all. I didn't want it to be my opinion because many people would have an ill judged opinion of me based on the media. So listen to the teachers. Now what the head teacher says in the covert recordings is that they told the media the truth. He says it. We told the media the truth about this. None of them would report it. Now what people need to understand, and I'll give an example, Mario,   When I formed the English Defense League, I used a fake name, Tommy Robinson, and I wore a mask because I wanted to maintain my businesses. I had 2 successful businesses, 7 properties, living a good life, and I wanted safety for my family. What happened? Well, how the other other businesses and property still there? No. They because you've been bankrupted, so I'm guessing everything's gone. No. No. No. As soon as my name come out, death threats started. Terrorism threats started.  

Police raided all the houses. Literally, I don't need to protect myself,   and I was you see all the people who you know, we have lots of people listening to this, who are thinking all the things I'm thinking, and they're scared to say them because they've got mortgages, their families rely on the bills, they have a lifestyle that they need to maintain, and they need to protect that for their kids.   I was the same as those people. I was exactly the same. I wanted to talk about it, but I didn't want the consequence of it. I wanted to I wanted to. So that's why I used a fake name. So people would say to some people who don't talk are cowards. I wouldn't say that because I or or I was a coward as well. I used a fake name to protect myself. I didn't wanna be the person doing this. Yeah. I wanted I had a good life. I was successful. I was doing alright. And I was in a position where I could have done what everyone else has done is move out of Luton, Luton is a town that's plagued with Islamic problems. I could have moved to one of the villages like all my friends did, and I could have pretended it's not happening, which is what everyone's doing. But at some point, you're gonna have to stop pretending. You gotta look at your country and think, well, do I want my kid to be a slave? Or do I do I want them to have freedom of speech? Do I want my daughter to safely walk down the street? Or am I just gonna pretend it's not happening? So I was the same as all those people. I used a fake name and I wore a mask. And as as everyone as many other many other people were scared into silence on this issue. I was exactly the same.  

[00:24:28] Unknown:

Let me let me go to Peter. Peter, I know you've got an incident you wanted to to mention as well and asked Tommy about it. Go ahead.  

[00:24:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Hello, Tommy. Can everybody hear me? Yes. Can you hear me? Awesome.   Yeah. So,   it was just in the news today that the Swedish,   prosecutors,   you probably have heard of Salivan Momica,   the guy who's been doing the activism in Sweden, burning the Qurans and so on. And he was charged   with the hate speech today in Sweden   and is risking prison   for   burning the Quran on the streets of Sweden.   And I know that the guy in the UK he was, he, he got sent us to prison after shouting   mocking Allah on the streets of of of Britain. Do you think you're beginning to see the de facto blasphemy laws coming into Europe now, Tommy?  

[00:25:20] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I've seen the situation with Sarwan. I actually went out there and interviewed him,   months ago, probably 6 months ago, because Sarwan's risking his life. And I asked him why he's risking his life. He's risking his life because he's seen what when it when Islam becomes the majority,   what happens in Iraq, where he's come from. Yeah. So I went and interviewed Sarwan, and you know what I did? I've done it the same again. I went up to Swedes on the street and asked because the Swedish government, which is surprising because the Swedish Democrats are in there now, so I wonder why they're being cowards on this issue. Yeah. And we've also seen, I don't know if you are aware, but a British,   ex Muslim was arrested last week, the week before in Manchester.  

He faces the same crimes because he burned the Quran online. But are we facing blasphemy laws? A gentleman in in Belfast, in Northern Ireland,   which we we've got all these cases we're looking at for this documentary. We can only fit a certain amount in, but there's so many. He shared a post that said Islam is evil. He's on remand right now in prison as we speak. He's in prison for saying Islam is evil. Islam is evil.   It is evil. Yeah. That's not that's that's a fact.   Islam is evil. It's oppressive. It's violent. He's in prison. And if I can so yeah. Yeah. Yes. I do, Peter. If I can, you know, on the media point of the Mario, I lost where I was on that last point. Why why are no journalists talking about this? Why? If you listen to Andrew Bridgen, Andrew Bridgen is an MP. He's been in he was one of the longest serving, I think, 14 years he was a member of parliament for the Conservative Party. There was never any accusations against him or any negative opinion of him. He was a great MP, one of the best. Yeah? We spoke out against the vaccine. We spoke up. They then went on a full on attack against him, destroying him, discrediting him. Now he says that he would speak to his journalists who he'd become friends with over the years, and they would just tell him we're not allowed to report. Now I can give my own example of that. When I was talking about getting when I was leading the industry,   when my mask come off, it's because The Times newspaper   contacted me. Stephen Byrd is a journalist name. Look him up. He can't deny this shit. He contacted me. He cut he he went he went to my mom's house. My mom rang me. Journalists have been here. They know who you are. I was I was worried, and then I went and met him. I met him in a pub in Luton. And he said he said, Stephen, your life changes tomorrow. Yeah. We're putting you're on the front page of The Times newspaper. Your mask is off. Steven Steven Lennon, Steven Jackson Lennon, we're we're letting everyone know you are Tommy Robinson. Yeah. Because I successfully hid my identity for 6 to 9 or even 12 months. So I said, okay.  

And he was fair with his article, and I kept in contact with him over all those years. So I thought he was an alright journalist. So when I got footage of Panorama, Panorama were doing a hit piece on me. I sent a girl undercover into them. Panorama are BBC's impressive   flagship program. They're the most respected program for the BBC. They do covert recordings. Whatever they say, the public listens to. They've done a statue, chemical weapons nonsense. So they've done all this. So I I then contacted him. I got covert recordings of John Sweeney, the head of Panorama,   creating fake news about me, making up sexual allegations. I got him sitting on camera telling people what to say and and and doing deals of them. If you say these three things about Tommy Robinson, we will put them in the documentary. What we want you to say is this, this, and this. I've got it all on COVID recording. So I did I I got him being racist. I got him being homophobic.  

I've got so much dirt on them in these recordings. So I rang Steven Bird, and I said, Steven, can I meet you? I've got some golden stuff here. I'm working on a documentary.   I think you should see it. So he sits down. He listens to it. We have lunch. He's like, oh my god.   Do you understand how big this is? John Sweeney is the head of this program. This is insane. Yeah? I said, yeah. I know it's big, and I I know it's big. He goes, right. Let me page everything. So I gave him everything. He goes, let me go see my editors.   He comes back. He says, we're not allowed to run it.  

I said, you're not allowed to run it. What do you mean you're not allowed to run it? Yeah. I said, so how is there a free press if you're not allowed to run it? Now I challenge you. So this documentary that I made exposing the BBC, bearing in mind the BBC is the flagship, we we pay for it. We could be as taxpayers, we pay for it. I proved it is total fake news. I proved that their entire Panorama documentary   is scripted. It's created. Yeah? So I proved that in the covert recordings. Not one single   British journalist reported. Now I'll ask you to do something now. Everyone listening to this.  

Our documentary is the most watched documentary probably to come out of Britain that there's been, yeah, 47,000,000   views on a on a on a on on on silence.   Not one single   British journalist has reported on it. They haven't reported on the NDAs. Even the local newspaper in Huddersfield hasn't reported on it about the fact that the teachers were paid to lie. Any of the things that we showed and we exposed in that documentary,   not one single British journalist has reported on it. We have a totally corrupt, controlled media. The importance of platforms like this, spaces like this, podcasts,   real investigative journalists who are uncontrollable,  

[00:30:24] Unknown:

and that's why they hate us. We're uncontrollable. They're not gonna control us. What do you think? You're gonna threaten us with prison. We're gonna shut up. No. It's not gonna work. But it works it works on it works. But the thing is, Tommy, it works on others. I think others that don't have so financially, I've got the means to not really care about making money from from spaces like this and from political side of what I do. But as you said, others, including citizen journalists, they depend on that. My concern is   that the crackdown that we're seeing now is actually despite us in our in our, whoever's, Ricardo, just make sure you remove anyone that doesn't have their mic muted, please.  

But the the their strategy is working. People are being silenced. And if it wasn't for you, for example and and by the way, just for the audience, you don't have to agree with Tommy's positions. You don't have to agree with the statements he makes. But one thing we have to all agree on that he has the right to make them, and you have the right to make a statement completely opposing his and and contradicting his. That's the freedom of free speech. That's different to what anyone's beliefs are. But, Tommy, don't you think the strategy is actually working? That's what concerns me. Is that people are scared in the UK.   It's not enough what we're doing. And and I'm worried that we're kinda past the point of no return, or we're close to the line where people have had enough, where people are fed up, and people will stop taking action.  



[00:31:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Mario, we are bordering on a cultural revolution in Great Britain. They know that. That is why they're coming so hard. That is why they're trying to put it back in the box. They saw a 100,000 people on the street peaceful.   That's what they don't want. They want riots. They want trouble. Yeah. We managed to to harness that anger and direct it in the right way, and that would have put the fear of God into them. Yeah. And they know. So I'm in a position. Yeah. Yeah. I think it is working. I think that they're it only works if we let it work. That only works if we become silent.   And essentially, I'm in a position where even if I wanted to be silent say right now, I'm looking, thinking, Jesus. I'm tired. Yeah. I've had I've had enough. I'm worried. I'm scared. I'm not in a position to remain silent because   if they manage to silence me, it will send a message to so many, which is why they want to silence me. They want to silence me and set me as an example.  

But if you refuse to be silent, and that's what that and that's what I say now is I believe they will create thousands of Tommy Robinsons. Tommy Robinsons isn't about me as an individual. I used a pseudonym. Me. Tommy Robinson become more of a symbol of resistance or a name of resistance where a movement created behind me. Yeah? And it was a movement of people who felt silenced, who felt attacked, who feel like they don't have a cultural identity, who have got good jobs, who are hardworking British families. Yeah. And we it has changed. And as I said, I've done a podcast this week, and it was with Richard Grannon. And as he's talking to me in the podcast, he talked about me being hated. So I said, do you really think I'm hated? I said, I'll tell you what, what are you doing tonight? So get your cameras and let's go for a walk through a holiday destination of great British public, and let's see my reaction.   And we walked down that street, and you're gonna watch the reaction when it comes out. I can't walk down the street. Yeah. I can see the change.  

The public are awake. I had lads come up to me in the streets saying, Tommy, you know it's changed when your 75 year old man's ringing you, telling you to watch Tommy Robinson videos. Yeah. We have turned a corner with the British public. They are awake. Lots of things have played a part in getting us there. COVID played a part. The tyranny the tyranny of the lockdown has played a part. The lies, the way they spoke about the vaccine, we we now know it's lies. We know they control Facebook. They we know they control social media. All the things we thought or people doubted or questioned, they now know. They know the government don't care about. They know that every decision this government are making are against the interest of the British public. The replacement of our people across Europe is against the interest. They know this. They can feel it. The public are awake. They see it. So what I saw growing up in Leuton, the world now sees.   Everyone   sees it. They don't care about us. Our government hate us.  

We're seen as we're seen as   as cattled, and we should be silent. We're pecked. We're sharp.   And that's what this is an attempt to do. So, yeah, they're going full tyrannical,   but they bought there's a bordering line, which they have to be very, very careful of   attacking someone, trying to silence them, and then there's making someone amar. Yeah. That's what and that's what they're gonna be bordering on. If they put me in prison, which they're going to, I believe they're going to, I don't know where that lies for me. I don't know whether they're gonna let them get me. I don't know which jail I'm gonna land in from that court in London. I don't know what that means, but that's not just me. What every one of us need to think of, you see, every one of those British men who have been put in prison over the last 2 weeks, every one of them has been sent in there with a target on their head by the government.   They've targeted them. They've labeled them. They've smeared them as racist, as Nazis, and then they fed them to a prison system for the criminals who are intent on hurting them. There's no more I don't know how angry I get thinking about it. I know what those men are going through. We know what their families are going through. But the men as I said, to any and any families who listen to this, and why you don't see it because you're missing your dad or you're missing your husband or you're missing you're missing your son. That what's happening now has to happen. Okay? A lot of people are gonna get Tell me tell me what what happens is so so what we're seeing though, Tommy, is that they're targeting, you know, what would have happened to your documentary if not for x, for example. You've got x being targeted. We saw what happened with Telegram. We saw what happened with TikTok getting banned in the US or in pro in pro in process of getting banned.  



[00:35:47] Unknown:

X is already suspended in some countries.   What platforms are gonna be left? If they crack down on x, if they manage to to to get Elon or or or force Elon to censor further,   then   how could we achieve that? How could we get free speech with other platforms?   Now people are angry. They know Facebook. They know,   Meta. They know Google are censoring them. YouTube are censoring them, but they keep using the platforms.  

[00:36:11] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Well, Mario,   each time I felt beaten,   every time,   every time I felt   exhausted   or what do I do now? Where do we go now? Something has picked me up. Yeah?   Elon Musk did that. I was lost. I was in Spain. I think Liam Tufts is listening here. He come out there to babysit me. I was in a bad place. And then, bang, my account turned back on. So where are we now? Yeah? Where are we now? Everything they've done to distinguish our voice, everything they've done to slander and discredit us, has it worked? Are we silent?   Are more people listening to us now more than ever? So think about it. Think about the money they have, the censorship they have, the control they have. Big tech, the police, the government, the media. We've been under total attack by all of them, and it hasn't worked.  

It hasn't worked. The truth always prevails.   So our love and our fight, and and I believe, as I said, you are awakening the sleeping line. And that doesn't mean a violent sleeping line. It means that once the public are awake I've said it time and time again over the years. When we tried to awaken them, they weren't ready to listen. We were trying this for 15 years. I remember going into Aarhus and getting chased by 5,000 Somalians in Denmark. Denmark wasn't ready to listen. None of these countries were ready to listen. Now they're awake. They're all awake. Families were awake. They know it. Now what does that leave? If if if the British public, if the entire public, which we're bordering on that point pretty soon,   were aware of the dangers to our nation, of what the future looks like for our country, we would have a revolution tomorrow.  

Yeah. And they know that we're getting close to that point. They know that we had order. We had control. And they also know that we were aligning the right people,   the right communities, the right people in the face of what they're attempting to do. Remember, their their plan to weaken men. Their plan is to destroy the family. Their plan is to weaken and destroy everything we hold dear. There's only one option for that, and it's resistance. How do we resist it? By talk and and Elon Musk has has gave us   a I believe Elon Musk has said it again, will be remembered not for sending things up to space, not for Tesla, not for any of that, for saving humanity with freedom of speech,   for saving us all. Because if we continue, and and I I don't know what would happen, whether it be divine intervention. Look at Trump. Trump shouldn't be here. Something something something happened there. Trump shouldn't be here. There's a battle of good versus evil happening right now across the world, and I truthfully believe I if I didn't believe if I thought we'd fight a losing battle, would I still be fighting? I don't. I think as long as you keep fighting, you're you're in the fight. And we got we have a massive fight. There's a there's a lot of trouble coming. What's this? I'll probably stand up spending a little more months in a box. Let let me ask you a question. I'm gonna go to the panel. Panel's got a lot of questions for you as well, Tommy. But a question in the in the comment section is, we're talking a lot about the UK,  

[00:39:01] Unknown:

but it's we've got a pretty big audience here. How would you compare the UK? You know, you talked about being arrested in Canada when you were on Jordan Peterson's podcast, for example.   How would you compare the UK to other European countries, to Australia,   to the to to the US   and to other countries that are looked upon in in a you know, that that considered significantly   worse than the west despite the issues we're facing in the UK in in the in the US. They're still incomparable   to Russia to China. Honestly, disagree with this. How would you compare the UK to those countries as well?  

[00:39:31] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I totally disagree with it. I don't think we're any better than Russia. I don't think we're any better at all. I think 3,000 people have been, arrested, prosecuted for things set on social media in the UK, 600 in Russia.   600 in Russia. So what the difference is, our our politicians moan about these countries   whilst secretly so the Tory government who were in control for 14 years, they were no different to what we're seeing now. They just done it covertly, quietly. They got it was it was the it was the conservative   attorney general who falsely imprisoned me twice. Yeah. Totally. It was them who set me up and put me in prison to be battered and attacked and have attempts made in my life. It wasn't the labor. There's no difference.  

There's a globalist pan. Now what's the difference between the conservative party and the Labour party? And when we look around, I went when I went to Canada,   I could not believe   the stories I heard from Tomorrow Leech. I could not believe what was the pastor? Pastor Patrick? Was it the, the Polish pastor? I couldn't believe hearing that a mother and a grandmother was put on solitary confinement for a month for organizing lawful and legitimate protests where there was no violence.   It's like I was I count my chicken. I was quite happy that I was leaving Canada. I thought I'm pretty lucky here. So what what they managed to do is we're only finding out about these things. If we didn't have x, think about it. If there was no x, none of you would have even seen the other side of the riots. You wouldn't have seen the Muslims with machetes and the swords. You wouldn't have seen the violent beatings in across the UK. You wouldn't have seen it. You'd have seen one narrative from all the other social medias, from the government, from the police, and that was far right racist English. That's it. That's all you'd have seen. The only chance we have is with platforms like this. That's why the Telegram leader now the tell the the Telegram owners currently in France, banned from leaving France. They want to scare the hell out of him until he does a deal with them. That's all it's about. They wanna scare everyone till they do a deal with them. Now now Telegram,   my Telegram chat channel, Tommy Robinson News,   iPhone, it's been blocked. If you've got an iPhone or an Android, you can't even access it. I've not been tried or or   or tried   in criminal courts from anything ever. I've not even been arrested for anything to do with hate speech.  

Even the offence I face now, the terrorism offence, is because I didn't let them in my phone. Why didn't I let them in my phone? Because I'm a journalist, and in my phone are my sources of information, and they're protected, which I tried explaining to them. And to be honest, why wouldn't I let them in my phone? I've done a 5 part series. We're still working on episode 6 where we're gonna expose a politician.   So that that's why they probably want access to the phone. We have recordings on a politician who was part of these grooming scandals in the town of Telford.   He was abusing allegedly, according to our covert recordings,   allegedly abusing young girls in the council property.  

So   when they in each of the trials in the UK, in Rotherham, this grooming scandal where you hear about all the Muslim gangs, the police got rid of evidence.   Okay? We've seen corrupt police officers in Telford, in Oldham, in Manchester,   in in in Rotherham, all of them working with the gangs. Why would I let them know who talks to me and who gives me information? I wouldn't. I'll protect them. So, as I said, I can't really face problems, but I don't think the problems are any better. Look at your look at what's going on in the United States of America. There was literally just a planned assassination on Donald Trump, and no one's even talking about it anymore. Who's faced prosecution for letting him get on the roof? Who's faced prosecution for standing still and not shooting in debt? Who's getting prosecuted for it? Who's getting prosecuted for the election in 2020? No one. No one's getting done. Everyone stops talking about it. They change the subject straight away. They control the world's media, and they pump their new messages and narratives around the globe. The problem is, which again, I'll say it, 47,000,000   people have seen their lives. So I'm currently in a situation now where, yeah, I'm worried. I face prison, but I think they're on trial, not me. That's what I think. I truthfully believe   that more people will be awakened to their lives, and and this story is far bigger than me. The courts and the and the judiciary is a weapon.  

Stop looking at it like a justice. There's no justice system. There's a legal system. And when they try everything else, they'll stick that straight on you. Gert Wilders was prosecuted.   Even Morten Messenschmitt, who was the leader of the Danish People's Party, all of the all of the leaders of the anti immigration or anti European Union parties have all faced warfare.   All of them have faced warfare. Now it's enough to break some people. Many people have been broken. There's many people who would have been whistleblowers across the UK, have been destroyed, had their credibility destroyed, their reputations destroyed. If Panorama would have been successful with me, everyone would look at me like Harvey Weinstein. It was all lies. Look at that. That's why I don't trust anything they're saying about anyone   who's challenging them. So I think that Canada   look at all of our borders. Canada,   America, it's not a fluke that all of this is happening. The total destruction   of the West.  

The total invasion of our countries whilst our government do what? Lock people up for talking about it. They're all and this is all to do with them protecting   their policy favors. The reason there's tension Tom. Yeah. Sorry.  

[00:44:26] Unknown:

Thank you. I'm so sorry. I there's so many questions that people have,   not only on our panel, but in our chat. I have a quick question for you.   You are facing   significant   jail time,   if convicted. Correct?   So would you be willing to ever take a deal to avoid any jail time, or do you think that you will fight for your cause all the way to the end whether there's jail time or not? Yeah. I think you've had it. You've had a deal offered as well. I think they offered you to to kinda say apologize. You mentioned in the document, apologize and pay 50.50 quid £50,000.  

[00:45:03] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

They they offered me they offered me a deal on this. They offered me an apology, and I wouldn't go to jail on the contempt of court.   They offered me a secretive organization. I wrote about this in my book called Metropolitan Intelligence Bureau, MIB. When I was in prison, I was visited by a secretive organization   that works in Scotland Yard   and offered a deal to work for them. Yeah. And when I refused,   when I come out of jail and I played the recordings of this, yeah, I've played the recordings of this in my York Free Speech, they then took my home. I had to pay them a £125,000,   and then I got the phone call saying, you won't have to pay anything. Yeah. Just agree to cooperate with us. I will never cooperate with them. Yeah. Never. I will and I said when when they made the approach to me in jail, they come and saw me in jail. I said, I'm no one's bitch. I will never be your bitch, ever. It's never going to happen. And I've come so far in this, and I've had this conversation even with my kids' mom. I said, I'm not I'm not in a position to back down, and I'm never gonna back down probably because I am so bitter with what they've done to me. And not just what they've done to me, what they've done to my family. And not just what they've done to my family, what they've done to my country.  

Look at what they've done to our country. Look at the before and after videos from London.  

[00:46:14] Unknown:

What an absolute load of nonsense. Habiba, I was gonna go to you as afterwards. If you can keep your hand up and wait, please, that'll be good. You can you're more than welcome to disagree. We won't we won't remove you from stage. It won't be censored. That's for sure. And and let and Hiba? Let me actually, I have you I'll let me let me have you with a mic. Go ahead, Hiba, please.  

[00:46:30] Unknown:

Thank you, Mario. I haven't spoken on here for a long time, but I appreciate the the invite. So,   essentially, Tommy is here saying that he's not anyone's bitch.   And he has an English name and he has an English accent, but let me tell you something, people. What were you doing to in 2020,   right, when you've got British servicemen and women   fighting against Putin, working with Ukrainians to protect Europe.   Tommy over here was on his way to to Russia, and he was dealing with every single one of Putin's henchmen. He was widely featured across RT and all of the Kremlin backed sites. He featured in all of the the largest propagandist   sites there are. And not only that, he's taken money for Israel. When you talk about traitors,   think of Tommy Robinson.  



[00:47:15] Unknown:

This man Let's talk let's talk about the aid. Just the Is that a phobia? Okay. Go ahead, Tommy. Let's let let's go let's go let's go through the allegations. So so, Tommy, I'll let I'll let you respond to them. First of all, the the Russian one, being in Russia or something along those lines. Yeah. Perfect. Habiba, where are you from?  

[00:47:32] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I'm British American. British and then where are you from? Where did you grow up?   In London. Up in London. What part of London?  

[00:47:41] Unknown:

I'm not about to go into my personal details because I haven't done it in the way that you have. I'm happy to. You can look at my bio. I will put up a tweet right now which proves what I've just said. What what what did you In that safe community  

[00:47:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

knows this man is a traitor. Let's have a have you let's have a back and forth here. Go ahead, Tommy. Are you a do you follow Islam Habiba, please? Just asking. I'm just curious so I understand a bit about you, and then I'll get on to all your points. Do you follow Islam? Yeah. I'm I'm a Muslim. Not a very good one, but I absolutely believe in it. I'm a a British American patriot and a Muslim, and this man is far from being a patriot. Let's talk about Russia. So, yes, I went to Russia. At the time I went to Russia, I was deplatformed from every single social media. Habiba, have you watched the presentation I gave in Russia?   Anyone who deals with RT, as the British government well knows, is dealing with the Kremlin part. This is a map. Heavy heavy heavy air. Let's go. Let's put Britain to to get them a let's heavy air. Please. To British Heavy heavy air. Heavy we do want it back and forth to make this, constructive for the audience. Yes. So so go ahead. Please do facts right, darling. Yeah? Okay. RT slammed me. Watched the show. When I was on RT, the lady was married to a Muslim. She also tried to defend something she knew very little about. What I asked you was, have you watched the presentation   I gave in Russia? Simple yes or no.  



[00:48:57] Unknown:

No. But you've been associating with every single one of Britain and America's enemies. Please.  

[00:49:02] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

What you'll see, I went to Moscow and then I went to Saint Petersburg. When I spoke in Saint Petersburg where I gave my presentation in front of a 1000 young Russians, they were actually the biggest anti Putin movement there is. Yeah. The man has been framed by Putin. They are but they are on the enemy list of Putin. So if you actually done your research as to who I spent time with when I went there, I gave a presentation   called the rape of Britain. Let me tell you about that presentation. Yeah? It was called the rape of Britain. What I did is I looked at the statistics and the numbers of young English girls who have been raped by Muslims across my country. Yeah. One of them were Did you all know that Tommy Robinson is a former pimp? I'm a very cop. Jesus. Oh, really? How are we getting Okay. I I don't I don't know how that's relevant to discussion of free speech. No, Javeda.   He was doing the same thing. He was grooming women. Oh, okay. We've just established we've just established, Javeda. You haven't even looked into what the critic. You haven't watched my speech. You're spouting nonsense from The Guardian, yeah,   whilst claiming to be you don't know anything that you're talking about. Now if you want to, I can talk you through it so you can understand what I've done in Russia. If you actually take the time to watch my discussion on RT, you see it was a total clash with the woman and the presenter. If you watch my speech, you'll be you will understand this. Obviously, you haven't watched anything. You're on on here to chat buzzwords, shout Islamophobia, racist, extremist, all the usual nonsense.  



[00:50:22] Unknown:

Without so next time, just do your homework and then come back on. You won't be Habiba, can can I ask you let me ask you a quick question, Habiba. You might disagree with a lot of positions that,   that that Tommy holds, but do you do you agree that he is being honest and he shouldn't be honest? He has the right for free speech. Because I know we've you've been on previous stages before,   and you've always had the ability to speak with people from the other side. We've had people from Israel, Palestine, Lebanon all on stage together. Would you agree that he has the right to express his opinion and for others to disagree or agree with it?  

[00:50:53] Unknown:

But what he's actually doing is the opposite. If he was genuinely for freedom of speech, he wouldn't be supporting malign actors like Israel and Russia and being paid for by them. So these actors specifically are trying to shut down dissent throughout the West. Let's say let's say he doesn't let's say this is shut down dissent throughout the  

[00:51:06] Unknown:

West. Let's say let's say he doesn't let's say this is the West. And what we we This is what RT does. But have you but you  

[00:51:08] Unknown:

didn't answer the question. So I know I know you're attacking him for for Israel, Russia. I think you you you've you've just gone back and forth about Russia.   But does he have the right to say whatever he wants to put out, any documentary he wants, as long as he's not obviously calling for violence?  

[00:51:24] Unknown:

So British law is different from the UK law and sorry. The US law. And I know a bit about it because my father was involved in the blasphemy laws in the UK. And the way in which, Tommy Robinson   malignly   and very deliberately misleads his followers   about the nature of British laws. I mean, he's the one who's interfered with these cases against these groomers. Right? He's the he's been the biggest obstacle to justice for those victims of grooming gangs. Yeah. Abiba Abiba Abiba Abiba, what   do you actually know about him? He's not a patriot. He's not an nationalist. Go ahead, Tommy.  

[00:51:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

But let me ask you a sec. Let me ask you something. What is it that I've said that is factually incorrect? Just point me to one thing. Just one single thing that I've said that is factually incorrect that you have a problem with so that we understand why you dislike me. Forget Russia. I've never been paid a penny. Forget Israel. I've never been paid a penny. Yes. I do. That's a lie. Absolutely lie. You're fat. I don't know what you're talking about. Khabiba, what have I said this? What have I said, Phoebe, that you have a problem with? Just tell me what I've said.  

[00:52:20] Unknown:

So let okay. So just just that lie just there. He took money from an Israeli defense cutout through the Middle East Forum. So he has received money, and there's taxpayer  

[00:52:30] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

there there are 301 k releases that prove this. Habiba. He's a liar. Habiba, I've never took a penny. I was in jail when the Middle East Forum Absolutely.   Who paid for your legal fees? No. No. They didn't. You're not a patriot. You do not deserve the the irrevocable good back and forth. Well, I have to go to those people. Yeah. Tell me what was So my when I was in prison, I I had no interaction with the Middle East for them. Never spoke to them. When I was in prison and they saw that I was in prison for reporting outside a court case, they contacted people in the UK and they funded the demonstration. So if you had your facts right,   you'd know that. And I was in jail the whole time, darling, so I've never even met them. So now I wasn't funded by the Middle East Forum. I never met Who paid your legal fees? They paid for the they paid for the   demonstrations   whilst I was in prison. When I got out of prison, I asked the Middle East Forum, yeah, will you fund my work? I did ask them, and I sent them a project of the rape of Britain, the work I wanna do, and their response was, we only fund issues in defense of freedom of speech.  

That's their response. So I've got questions that you want to find a foreign actor pays for I have you. I have you. Pays to ask I I did I did ask you if he's Can we go back to my question,  

[00:53:43] Unknown:

Abita? Is that to Habiba? If you disagree with me, I'll take it. Alright. So let me   alright. Let me so she did talk about the the funding, but let's let me bring you back up to she's going on on on on that, on the question. Habiba can request back up. Let me go to because I I know a few hands are up. Luis, go ahead, and then we'll go to Charlie.  

[00:54:00] Unknown:

Sure. Thanks, Maria. Thank you, Tommy. It's really, powerful to hear you share your story. I think well, I take mostly from what you shared is the global nature of this problem. I'm really glad you picked that up. I work for,   an organization called ADF International,   and we have lawyers around the world working to protect people's free speech. And we have people, you know, in Middle Eastern countries,   Egypt,   Pakistan,   even bits of Nigeria where people are on your death row under blasphemy charges because they have gone against the dominant religion of the day. And then when we look at the west, we can actually see these exact same laws with different consequences being implemented in the west too as hate speech laws. Right? So we also, in our organization, have Christians who are on trial for tweeting bible verses in Finland or politicians in Mexico who are have been convicted of gender based political violence   just for tweeting about biological reality. And I wonder, Tommy,   a lot of, our clients   have been   facing trial or punishment,   because of their particularly Christian views. We see that in the UK as well. Right? One of our big cases recently was the lady who was arrested for praying silently in her head at near an abortion facility. Truly, this is the the biggest form   of censorship that there can be, really, the thought police. 1984.  

In 2024 in the UK, someone arrested for the prayers they have   in their head. So I wanted to tell me, could you comment a little bit about that? And do you see a discriminatory  

[00:55:23] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

faith element to this against Christians? Well, yeah. Because these hate crime laws are not being used in any other way. They're not being used when, for example, the leader of His Buttahir, a described terrorist organization in most nations, when he stood on this on the capital city of London and called for jihad and Muslim armies, the Metropolitan Police Force defended him.   Yeah. When so we've seen many, many racist or antisemitic or homophobic comments. When they come from members of the Islamic community, they're not being silenced or attacked. These are literally these hate speech laws are used to silent dissenting voices against what's happening there. It's an attack on Christianity.   No other no Islam is not facing this. In fact, I can quote I can quote verses in the Quran that are being taught in Russia. They're clearly breached hate speech laws. All anyone promoting the Quran breaches British hate speech laws. Why aren't the laws being used against that? Why why aren't they being used against all the all the calls for murder, all the calls for war, all the calls for rape? Why are they not being used then? So I I fully understand. And there's another there's a Christian concern, is it called, in London? Who's another kind of line that defends Christians   who face discrimination   in work or or across the UK. So Yeah. Let let me  

[00:56:32] Unknown:

Robbie, sorry. Tommy,   Joah, who's a regular on stage as well, he he sent a message saying, Mario, there's a difference between free speech and Robinson. Joah, you're on stage, and and I know you're you're pretty well spoken, so maybe we'll have a good back and forth. What do you mean by that statement? Yeah. I mean, look. I I've been listening to I don't know a ton about Tommy. I'm just listening to the space. I know somewhat.  

[00:56:55] Unknown:

But just listening to the space, for example, Tommy just recently said   word for word, Islam is evil. That's a fact. You can't debate that.   Right?   This is very different than free speech. He lost the case in on libel. Right?   Tommy turns people's anger. There's people in UK who are angry   at the situation   and their personal situation,   the way the government's been managed and everything else, and then Tommy will say things like that, not stating that Christians are also But, George, George, do you think but, George, George, you ask ask a quick question. So I disagree with that statement,  

[00:57:31] Unknown:

but do you think that statement should be legal for anyone to make about Islam, Christianity,   Judaism, or any other religion?  

[00:57:40] Unknown:

I I think there's a difference between being liable and and free speech. I know it gives you a big difference.  

[00:57:46] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

You're talking Joey, you're talking about libel. Have you watched my film?  

[00:57:49] Unknown:

Well, didn't your film have that same libel that you had against the king? Charles, simple   question. Have you watched the film? No. I know enough about the film. I didn't watch the whole thing. I'm not gonna kill you and give you views. I'll tell you what. What what what the film what film come on? And they have a Did you not use the same did you not use the same libel in your film that you were charged for?  

[00:58:10] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

We'd be in a much better position if you don't have to answer, Tom?   Because I didn't use any libel. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you why. Let me tell you what happened in court. You were guilty. You were found guilty of it and you paid off the whole thing. I wasn't Joab. Not by a jury, I wasn't. By a judge,   he ignored 7 witnesses. He ignored all the teachers. He ignored the school records. If you took the time before coming on here and wanting to protect Islam's money criticism, then you wouldn't look so silly to all the people who've watched the film. So please take your time, watch the film, and then maybe come back on. Let me ask you, Tommy Peddle, for that. But you lost to a judge. Point blank, you gotta follow the law of the of the land. But I think I I think the the the the documentary goes through on why that decision was was,   was not objective. But, yeah, Tommy, you had a question for Joah? Yeah. I had a question for Joah. So Joah, with regards to Islam is evil, let me ask you something. If a man who's 56 years old   marries a 6 year old and then he raped her when she's 9 and he beheads 600 people in one day,   would you say he's evil?  



[00:59:09] Unknown:

100%.   Now let me ask you a question. Let's go back and forth. We're  

[00:59:16] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

we're getting somebody. Priest. I haven't finished my priest. I haven't  

[00:59:19] Unknown:

finished my priest. A little boy, is Christianity evil? I mean, that's the argument you're trying to make it. No. No. It's ridiculous.  

[00:59:25] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Tell us. If Jesus raped a little boy, yes, it is. But Jesus didn't rape a little boy. Mohammed did. He raped little girls and he beheaded people. He pillaged, he tortured, and he murdered. He's the founder of Islam. He's the perfect being in Islam. He's the role model for Muslims.   So when I make a statement like Islam is evil, you actually just agreed with me.   You just agreed with me. Yeah. So instead of trying to stop criticism, because, unfortunately, people like you have been hidden from the truth about Islam, so I won't regret and I do not regret and I won't apologize   for telling the public the truth. And the truth doesn't care about Joe's feelings or Habiba's feelings. The truth's the truth, bro. Go watch the film, pick up the Quran, study the life Mohammed, come back on. You won't sound so stupid.  



[01:00:10] Unknown:

So is it let me go Joe, I'm gonna go to Piazza and just quickly No. No. No. Let me ask Mary. Let me ask this one. Go, Joe. Because he made he made a statement. How old was Mary when she had Jesus, Tommy?  

[01:00:22] Unknown:

Mate, you're trying to justify that Mohammed's pedophile by picking a fucking Christianity. Yeah. No. No. You're trying well, you're trying to justify it. Islam's evil because I think I think I wanna move away. Yeah. I I I got you. You  

[01:00:33] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

lost you lost your point.  

[01:00:35] Unknown:

Years old. You lost your point. That's accurate. What I'll do is I'll I'll move I'll move away from whether Christianity or Islam are evil, and I wanna go to Piotr. Just go back. I think my biggest concern with this is the free speech aspect of it. I think this is the focus. The documentary that's pinned up, by the way, Joanna, you know, I promise you it's worth watching. It's pinned on his profile. You could disagree with the stance. I disagree with many things that Tommy says, but the documentary is very alarming to say the least. But, Piotr, I'll go to you. Okay. Yes, Tony. Can we just find someone who comes on and tells me one thing I've said that's factually incorrect? That's the challenge. Yeah? Let's go.   I know I'm gonna anyone anyone yeah. It won't be perfect. I'll give you the mic, though. Don't worry. And if anyone in the audience has anything that Tommy said that you think is factually incorrect, please DM my account, the host account. DM what that is, and we'll bring you up, and, you can, have it go back and forth with Tommy on that statement. But have a specific statement and just make sure you we've got the background as well too to kinda make it worth it back and forth. Piotr, go ahead.  



[01:01:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Thanks. Tommy, Brit to Brit, you said a couple of things which, you know,   let's be honest, the protests in support of you and and your brethren. Right? But then there was even larger counter protests. Now I'm not endorsing. This is simply an acknowledgment. Right? Across the country,   tens of thousands of Brits came out in support of   diversity,   migration,   the UK's unique relationship with   the Middle East and and our former colonial powers. Right? So number 1, what'd you say to that? And second,   we've had a interesting relationship of you with Faraj,   and, obviously, you sit somewhat differently to him. He's distanced himself from you and and some of your actions and statements.  



[01:02:17] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

What's your relationship to Faraj now, and where do you think that the right in the UK political spectrum is? Couple of questions for you. Cool, bro. So you're wrong on the first point. There wasn't larger numbers at all. I didn't organize the only demonstrations I organized was the 1st June, which was 30,000 people and 877,000   people watching the event live. 0 arrests, 0 trouble. The next demonstration I organized was on 27th July where we had nearly a 1000000 people online and we had,   a 100000 people on the street. Again, I think there was 9 arrests. Now I don't know what diversity celebration you're talking about. Maybe not in the Hill Carnival. 50 Well, well, well Hang on. Hang on. Tell me. Hang on. No. No. No. That's not that's not correct. You have multiple multiple  

[01:02:55] Unknown:

groups of people across the UK and Manchester, Liverpool, Bristol, Plymouth. Some of the biggest hot spots of where the, original killings of those three little girls happened. You had tens of thousands of people coming out in protest against the rioters and the people. I'm not saying that was related to you or that you were the cause of that, but what I'm saying is there were plenty of people who came out celebrating some of the things that you have,   you know, reservations and issues with. Right? So to to to to ignore that is just factually incorrect. Maybe we got details different, but that's but that that that's just incorrect. I'm not ignoring it. I'm ignoring it. I'm pointing out none of them were my demonstrations.  

[01:03:30] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

I had nothing to do with organizing them. Anything I've organized have been peaceful, calm, and we've directed and controlled the environment. Yeah. And we've we've sent a message peacefully.   So to try and link me to some demonstration that happened   organically   in towns and cities and again, if you wanna look let's look at Tamworth for example. Yeah. Tamworth, there was trouble with the hotel. What they don't wanna tell you is that one of the migrants left the hotel and raped an English woman. Or let's look at Hartlepool where there was trouble with the Hartlepool Hotel. Do are you aware that a Muslim left that hotel and murdered a British pensioner walking down the street by stabbing him to death and then stabbed someone else in a terrorist attack, shouting for it was for Palestine? Was you aware of that? No. Probably not. Were you aware that the Rotherham Hotel had come under attack? The men had been sexually,   sexually harassing young 12 year old children? Were you aware that in all these towns and cities where the the trouble has flared up, it hasn't flared up because of Tommy Robins. Yeah. It's flared up because men have been placed in those towns and cities who have not been criminally checked. No one knows nothing about them. They're hostile. They've been violent. They've raped. They've even killed. For example, Oxford. Let's look at Oxford. I spoke to the father of the girl that was raped in Oxford by a migrant who was placed into the hotel by the home office. So it's not me that's made the public angry. See what's made them angry. Yeah? What's made them angry is people wanna pretend there's not a problem, and anyone who wants to talk about the problem is automatically beamed and slandered and attacked as far right or racist. Because you know what? People want their daughters to be safe.  

They wanna be able to just let their daughters go down the road. I don't know if you've watched any of the videos. Let's look at Wiggum, for example. The local labor politician held signs up refugees welcome. She imported refugees into the hotel at the end of the road. Have you watched the video of the refugees stabbing the hell out of someone in the street that come out of the hotel? Maybe you haven't. But lots of people have. The people in Wigan have. That's why they come out and protest it. The people in the Can you point to me the numerous amounts of refugees and people who don't stop because you're taking the minority and assuming that it's the majority?   No. I'm not saying it's the majority. I'm saying there's a problem. That's what I'm saying. Well, I I agree with you. There's a problem, but we need to stop conflating that all immigration is the problem, which is the problem. Is it a problem? By the approach is that that's that's an issue that arises. Right? Let me give you an example. Yeah. Let me give you an example. I've got a cup on on on the table. It's got 10 Smarties in it. And you one of those Smarties is gonna kill. Are you gonna take Smarties out and eat it?  

Are you? Or are you or what would be the wise thing to do? I think the wise thing to do because first and foremost, our government's job is to protect the British public. It's not to protect the Afghanis. It's not to protect the smarties. It's not to help the the Iraqis. Their job is to protect the British public.   By opening our borders to mass immigration, by bringing in thousands of people every day and house them across the country in our estates where we live,   that is not protecting us. And that's been proven by the multiple   dozens, if not hundreds of rapes that have happened by asylum seekers and refugees. In fact, let's get let's have another look at a case. So a man comes in. Tell me what you'd think of this. Yeah. A man comes in. He comes in, and he claims asylum. He says he's 15 years old. He's put into a school in Bournemouth. And if you if you watch my film silence, you'd see that any crimes by refugees in schools are pretty much ignored or hidden. Yeah. So he comes in at 15 years old. Says he's 15 anyway. He's placed into school. He has problems in the school sexually harassing the girls. Nothing was done about it at the time. Now when he he goes on, he leaves school. When he gets to 20, he pulls out a knife and he stabs a Royal Marine through the heart, and he kills him in Bournemouth Town Center. Now when they do an investigation that they should have done when he come into the country, they actually find out, guess what, he's not 20. He's 25,   which means when he said he was 15, he was actually 20. So he lied and he got put into into school with whose doors   are. Do you know what he then do you know what then then they found out? They found out they shot people, shot 2 people dead with an AK 47 in Serbia on his way to Britain.  

So so I just want our government to stop playing the lottery   with us, all our kids, all our futures, all our lives because one death is too many. Now, yeah. Okay. The the majority in that hotel might   might be okay, but that's irrelevant. That's irrelevant when one's gone out and raped. That's irrelevant when people are being imported into our country who have gone through 16 safe nations.   They are not refugees.   They're economic migrants. They were safe in Turkey. They were safe in France. They've been safe in the 16 countries that they've traveled through. So let's talk about that. I agree with you on that one, Toby. I'm happy with you on that. I've I've had I've had migrants going on my land. Right? I've had I live near the Sussex or whatever. We've got land near Sussex. So I've had these economic migrants, and that's happened to me. So I I totally,  

[01:07:59] Unknown:

appreciate that. But I wanna I wanna ask you about Farage, though, because Farage should have won, like, the refund party should have won, like, 90 seats. Right?   But because of the way the UK system is built, he didn't. So we but it shows you that a lot of people feel the way that you do or maybe slightly different, really, but have those feelings about these issues. Right? What do you think we should be doing   to get people to enable themselves to be able to vote in the way that they want? Right? What who who would you like to see leading the country or doing more to to ensure that we have greater control over who comes into the country, what they're doing, and and things like that. Right? I'm I'm curious for your thoughts there. I'll give you my thoughts now. I just wanna ask you one more question on the previous point. If they've come through 16 safe countries, do you agree they should not be here and they shouldn't be housed in hotels? Do you agree or not?   I don't think that well, it depends. More diligence needs to be done on the migrants that   are coming through, but you can tell that people who are coming on the boats don't tend to be refugees. They tend to be young men who are economically seeking. They come from, they tend to be well educated. So no. You don't have to question my my I do migration. That's my my discipline. But,   I I think that   there's a difference between that and trying to find a way to make sure that these people are reasonably housed before you then find a way to move them back to the countries that they come from. If you don't do anything to,   to, control or facilitate,   looking after them, then they'll just run rampant around the country even more. So it's a it's a how do you manage this border? The reason why the conservatives and Labour have failed is because no party's been able to manage find the Rwanda scheme was a failure. Right? So so what what do you think we should be doing? Well, the Rwanda scheme I'll I'll put the question back to you. The Rwanda scheme was nonsense. Yeah? But we're we're not gonna actually pretend that the British government and the British military cannot prevent these boats coming in. That's it's a joke. It's not that they can't prevent them. They're bringing them in. They're literally bringing them in. There's been no attempt to stop it. We vote the people in this country voted for Brexit to close our borders. 1,200,000  

[01:09:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

people were welcomed in that last year. Yeah. There's been a total betrayal. It's not that they can't stop it. They won't stop it. And you see if you agree, like you said, that they shouldn't be here. Yeah. There's currently   8 so do you agree that taxpayers' money shouldn't be spent on how because one gentleman who says that that my wages are put in some of these rapists in these hotels is currently in prison. Yeah. So and and and when you make you made the comment about my supporters or people who support me, no. Actually, the people who are outside those hotels support the same idea that you just said you support.   So but but unfortunately, because they're working class, they're labeled as far right racist thugs, hooligans, and Nazis.  

They're angry, they're upset, and they're scared.   And they're taxpayers.   All of them are taxpayers unlike usual laws. And on on the Nigel Farage point, who do I want to see govern this country?   51%   of the British public did not vote. I believe that's us. I believe none of my friends vote. None of them have ever I've never voted growing up. We are that disillusioned with the frauds and what we was in the process of doing, which is what we said openly,   we combined lots of like minded individuals together, and   we made the important,   the importance of culture.  

And if you change the culture, you'll change the politics. The point being, Nigel Farage 5 or 6 years ago would never even talk about Islam. Yeah. And now it's become now the open window shifted, many people have had to go to prison where he talked about his bank being closed when his got closed, but after getting closed since 2009.   So now now the now the move shifted. There's lots of people now coming out and being willing to talk, but they weren't.   So as as you shift the change and as you as you show that the public Nigel Farage, I believe, made the decision to stand in the election once he saw 30,000 patriots outside parliament on the 1st June.   So I don't I don't care about recognition for it. And what what our goal was was to create a cultural movement that celebrates British identity, that opposes censorship. There's lots of things going on and problems in this country that even when we we've got 20 people together, from Katie Hopkins, to Walt Fox, Cole Benjamin, to all these people, which Mayor Tootsie, we sat down. We don't agree on everything. They don't agree with me or some some don't agree with me on Israel. Some we don't agree on all of our points. The point is we have to defend British culture. It's under attack. We have to defend our identity. We have to defend our borders. We have to stop the sexualization of children. There's all these core principles that we can agree on, and we need to start I I got you, Tommy. I I got I got you 3 speakers that would disagree. We we wanna, point out statements that you've made that they think are incorrect. I'm gonna go to Chris first. Truth has a religious comment, and then we've got,  

[01:12:31] Unknown:

con a consultant who said that you have,   you you you you he disagrees with you, and it's urgent. So consultant will go to you last. Let me go to Chris first. Chris, go ahead.  

[01:12:42] Unknown:

Yeah. Thanks, Marion, and hi, Tommy. I'm I'm, I I I agree with a lot of the points that you raised. I think the one thing I would it's not really a question really. It's more of a statement of   when when we had this horrific incident that happened recently where 3 little girls were killed and and lots was lots were injured.   I think there was a lot of people, and I think I think yourself included, and correct me if I'm wrong, that that kinda jumped to conclusions. And and and I think what happened there is   it kinda gave the mainstream media and a lot of people that are seeking to,   disenfranchise you and kind of tear down your credibility.  

It it gave them   fodder to do so because I think, you know, I think it's probably fair to say that   you, and a number of other high profile people jumped to conclusions that it was an illegal immigrant and a Muslim and etcetera etcetera, and so these things were kind of stated. And I I guess, would you agree in retrospect   that because you have now such a following, and I think your messages   are cutting through and you can hear   arguments that you put back to people that have issues with you being quite resilient,   that you do now have a responsibility   to to to be careful and to probably make sure that you do get your facts right as much as you possibly can. And I think with a little bit of   of pause,  

[01:14:05] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

you you probably could have found that out like everyone else did and then stated facts rather than conclude jumping to conclusions. Is that is that a fair statement? What what's your thought on that? Not once did I say he was Muslim. Not once did I say he was refugee. Not once. Yeah. You've been lied to. Okay. Okay. So you've been lied to because lots of people made this accusation against me. In fact, Nigel Farage said he was a shared shared a post that said he was a failed Syrian refugee. I never because I I do check, and I do understand I have a responsibility to do that. Yeah. I have a group. Every every message you see got my Telegram, before it goes up on Telegram, goes into a fact check group, where I have employees who work from full time to fact check. If I see a video, I throw it in there, and it says 3 years ago, and it's to do with this. This is to do with this. Sometimes, yeah, the mistakes will be made when people are are reporting on things. Anytime I've made a mistake, I apologize for it. But   I 1000000%   go on AI now and ask, did Tommy Robinson   allege that it was a Muslim, that it was a refugee,   or there was any of those things? No. I didn't. Not once. So I didn't.  

Again, the media have lied and probably your your your you along with many in the public probably think I did, but I didn't once. The same same point being made if you listen to my messaging. I called for no violence. I told people to pull the balaclavas off. I instructed older men who were there. I understand why the people are angry, and I understand that young youngsters, I've spoke to families now, it was when 14 and 13 and 14 year old kids turned up inside throwing rocks. It's a lot of what caused the trouble was the youth. But I know and I made direct pleas to men, go and get those kids because they're gonna end up in trouble. Take their balaclava off, get the bricks out of their hands, and stop stop attacking police officers. Now that's the total opposite to what the media told you, I said. Yeah. There's no truth in the fact that I said it that I said anything different. So, again, the challenge is still there. Someone find me something that I actually said, not what the media said, that was factually incorrect. Thanks.  

[01:15:58] Unknown:

Good. Truth. Go let me let me go to truth on that one. Truth, go ahead.  

[01:16:03] Unknown:

Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mara.   So, Tommy, you like to perpetuate this myth about Ayesha's age. I don't know how much actual independent research you've done outside of designers propaganda you like to see, but I put something in the bubble for you to look at. It's by a Hadith scholar who presents evidence that Aisha was near 18   years old. Now I don't know how much you know about Islam. I'll presume you know nothing. So with respect to evidence,   the Quran supersedes   anything that's in a Hadith. A Hadith was not they were they were not written at the time of the prophet.   Therefore, they go through examination   in terms of credibility.  

There's levels you have to look at, and some of them have been discredited and no longer used as evidence. So based on what doctor Haram Haramani   wrote, and again the reference is in the bubble, you can see that Ayesha was actually 18 years old. There's only one indication   which you like to claim all the time of a Hadith that claims that she was 8 that she was 9. At Dora, 6 at the time of marriage, 9 at the time of the consummation.   That's been discredited by many Islamic scholars. We both know you're not one of them. 2, are you aware that the prophet's first wife was 24 years older than her than than him? Right? She was, actually 26 years older, and he was married to her faithfully for 24 years. And she was more successful than him. She's financially more successful than him. Some even consider her to be the first feminist. Are you aware of any of these facts? So rather than look at the example of Ayesha, which you love to use, ignoring the fact that many people were tribal back then, and they would marry off their daughters so they could get close to people of influence.   Instead, you ignore the 24 year marriage, faithful marriage to a feminist that he was married to faithfully, and instead you just wanna call him a pedophile and instead insult the religion of 2,000,000,000 Muslims because that's just what you like to do to Islamophobe.  

Why don't you at least stick to facts, do more research, educate yourself rather than denigrate 2,000,000,000 people. Truth, can we let You got it. Can we let him answer? Thank you so much. Saying truth.  

[01:18:05] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Yeah. You blocked me because you blocked me. Well, that's truth. I wouldn't celebrate that Mohammed liked granny's ankyd if I was you. But let's get I'll just get to the point on the fact that you which hadith are you quoting? What's the name of the hadith you're quoting this issue saying?  

[01:18:17] Unknown:

It's in the nest. She can take a look at it. It's the one you you're the one that's citing it. Why don't you know your own research? Why don't you tell me which hadith you're quoting? You're the one that cited it. What does Sahin mean?   You tell me. You're the expert here. You're the one citing it. I I'm the one citing the expert in Let's go back. Truth. Truth. Let's reduce the attacks. Just go back and forth, please. Come on. What does Sahay mean?  

[01:18:40] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

What does Sahay translate? I'm waiting for you to go on and explain why you keep citing an incorrect, Hadid. Why don't you explain that? You're not gonna frame you're not gonna frame the argument the way you want. The truth the truth the truth, please. We do have to back and forth, please. Yeah. Go ahead, Tom. Sahih translates as authentic. Sahih Muslim. Yeah. Sahih Muslim states her age, and so does the Bukhari. Both say her age. Now I'm not the one who follows them, but unfortunately to you, they're in the 6 most recognized authentic hadiths in the world,   the authentic ones. So it's great that you don't practice them, but 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 and 100 of millions of Muslims around the world do. So in under Sharia law then let me ask you a truth. Under Sharia law, what's the legal age? What would the legal age because Sharia law encompasses everything, law and everything, and, what would the legal age for sex be on the on the on the gods, Allah's, and Mohammed's perfect law? What's the legal age for sex, please? And how do you answer that?  

Yeah.  

[01:19:35] Unknown:

Yeah. Go ahead, doctor Strange. Go ahead.  

[01:19:38] Unknown:

So the Quran stipulates three conditions   for marriage for for women. Mental maturity being sound judgment. It's in chapter 4 verse 6.   Physical maturity also in chapter 4 verse 6, and consent in chapter 4 verse 19.   And regarding what yours the hadith that you're referring to, the Sahid,   the thing is that there's   6 different hadith   regarding her age.   They did not track they did not issue birth certificates back then. Nobody knew birthdays. They were not a numbers people. They didn't have a calendar.   So what they did, scholars, what they did was they deduced it based on   certain facts on the ground. Now there are 4 other hadith that I can give you, Sahid hadith   that puts her age at somewhere between 18 to 19.  

The there's, Sahid Hadith Bukhari 4993,   you can look at it. There's Sahid Hadith,   476,   that puts her, again, puts her age at 18.   The the the object the way you're trying to do is depict him as a man of this lustful   person when in fact it was the exact opposite. I mean, he put put pushed everybody to be as modest as possible.   In fact, when when the Quraysh when the Meccans   offered him, they said, you know, stop speaking about against idolatry,   and we will make you king and we'll give you the finest woman. And this is a Sahih hadith as well. He refused. He said, if you give me  

[01:21:09] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

if you give me Who who truth. Who decides when she's mentally mature? Who decides that?   What do you mean It's strange just for you. You said when a girl is mentally mature, who decides so say, for example, there's a girl and there's a Muslim girl, who decides when she's mentally mature enough for sex?  

[01:21:26] Unknown:

There's a hadith  

[01:21:27] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

great. There's a hadith. No. No. You're quoting. No. No. You don't wanna quote the hadith. You're quoting the Quran. So you you don't wanna quote the hadith. So if you if you don't wanna go to the hadith, you go to the most authentic ones, which I've already told you, say she was 6 and 9. I just told you authentic hadith as well. Let's get it. Let me I'll go I'll go I I do wanna move away from a religious discussion. Tommy, I'll ask you to quickly respond. About Mario. Mario, let me just make this one last point and then I'm done. So what Pakistan   Pakistan attempted   to end child marriage. Yeah? But it was called anti Islamic   and blasphemous.  

Why would that be why would that be in Pakistan? Because, obviously, you have a problem with me. But really, what you need to have a problem is all the Islamic nations that are marrying little children, all of them that practice   and and the teachings of Sahi  

[01:22:10] Unknown:

and the child marriages. And in fact, sit down with all the main commentators in the UK, such as Mohammed Hijab, who believes you should have you can marry a child and have sex with her when she starts with puberty. Tommy, I I I've got a question for you. I do wanna move away from the religious discussion. It's not my area of expertise. I know it's very sensitive, but also I think a more pressing issue right now is the censorship that we're seeing and how you're on the run from your own country that you're born in. We saw what happened with the CEO of Telegram.   That crackdown seems to be getting stronger and stronger. We saw the targeting of X, not only in Brazil, not only in Pakistan, not only in India, but also in the   US. Do you expect Elon or Twitter to face a similar,   a similar   issue as as the as as, the CEO and founder of Telegram?  



[01:22:54] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Yeah. I do. Yeah. I I I expect Elon to face assassination attempts. For them to get the plan that they want, they cannot have freedom of speech. For a totalitarian system to succeed, they have to take freedom of speech, and that would be attack on all of us. So, yeah, I expect them to face every if you look because they didn't want me having a voice, now I have a voice. Now they now politicians are naming Elon Musk as one of the most dangerous men in the world. Again, if I say something that's criminal Who who who who named him who named him that?   The Scottish politician   who hates white people, the Matt Youssef,   whom to Youssef. The one who's on record having a problem with white people. The one who's, I think, was it his brother-in-law who's a criminal. The one whose mother was part of a terrorist organization.  

The usual suspects is like   and many many media now are going on a total attack against Elon Musk and called it and the usual the usual words which don't bear any power now that they used to, far right, extremist.   Whereas   whereas they do actually have a process to stop fake news where they have the correction ability in x unlike many others. But, yeah, there's a total I expect Elon to face a total attack from every single angle, which is I've I've faced this for many years. I've never felt the way I felt over the last 3 weeks. Since the day after the July 27th, I felt under total siege in every avenue. There's some things I can't I can't openly talk about the minute that I will. I've had to relocate family members,   again due to lies that have been distorted by the media.  

It's been a total attack from everywhere, and I don't there is no fair the gentleman says, yeah. You were convicted by a judge. Yeah. Well, try me by 12 members of the British public because that's what I should be tried by. Hey, Tommy. Can I ask a question real quick? And sorry about that, Mario, if I if if I'm breaking in. I just had a question kind of following up on what you  

[01:24:50] Unknown:

were were saying earlier, Tommy. Actually, I have 2.   First, do you think that   due to the fact that you began,   in in the public sphere   as an activist,   that this has been the excuse   for British journalists to not take your reporting seriously? And would you say that it will take   journalists such as those we've seen recently from GBN   being blackballed   or arrested for them to take your   reporting seriously? That's the first question. And then second question I have,   pope Francis today spoke on the travails of migrants   making,   journeys across the sea and and the desert, saying that it's a grave sin to repel those people   after they've risked their lives,   trying to make that journey. So what do you think would stop   these particular individuals   making this journey in the first place?  

Because you've you've discussed about, like, you know, getting the governments   involved with,   with,   weeding out,   dangerous,   illegal migrants. But what about, you know, starting from where they're at? What is driving these individuals to to go to Great Britain in the first place? Thanks.  

[01:26:08] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Yeah. The first the first answer is I don't care about the mainstream journalists and what they think.   The public take my work seriously.   Anyone who's watched any of my documentaries   see the work we put into it. It's professional.   They're real investigations, and we give and and, essentially, one story I went to cover in Barone, which was a girl that was making accusations, a Muslim gang had raped her, beaten her, and tortured her. I went up there. When the story come out, the girl had lied. I had made a documentary. The Muslim man accused, his name was Mohammed. When he when the politician come out and said I went up there to flam fan the flames of racism,   he come out and defended me and said I was the only journalist who approached him to help him clear his name. I made a documentary.  

When I investigated, I found out she was lying, and my documentary was to clear the names of the men because I don't care what narrative I or or my original narrative. I want the truth. If the truth dispels the thoughts I had, I went up to Barrow to bring down those rapists. Yeah. That's what I went up there to do. I went up and investigated everything about each one of their lives. I met their ex wife. So I followed the whole story. But when I found that she had lied about multiple other things, I I knew and what I said is they cannot be tried by public opinion. So I follow the truth. And wherever that takes me in my reporting, unlike the mainstream media, so I don't need recognition from I don't care. No one listens to them. No one believes them. No one trusts  

[01:27:31] Unknown:

them. So I'm not Tell me tell me, can can I can I come in and talk to you if if as an as a brick to a brick, if I may answer? I just finished Brie's last question, which is about the pope.  

[01:27:44] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

The pope the pope needs to concentrate   on Christians and the persecution of Christians across the world, what's happening across the world, and what would stop the migrants coming if our government stopped paying them to come, if NGOs funded by the European Union, by the German government, by the British, if all these NGO charities are the ones that need taking down. George Soros needs taking down. They are all putting the lives I don't blame any of these men for coming. Yeah. I don't blame them for coming. Free hotels, free life, money, even when I looked at Ireland, I don't blame them for wanting a better life. I blame our government for allowing it. I'm not talking about stopping the dangerous ones coming in. I think we need to stop them all coming in. We need to close our borders totally   and protect the British public, protect   our culture, our identity,   and our future. None of us want to become minorities in our own country, and the birth rate alone has to be addressed to some whole somehow   solve that problem without adding to it daily or weekly with with uncontrolled mass immigration  

[01:28:46] Unknown:

of unpaid migrants. So that Go ahead, consultor.  

[01:28:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Hi. Hi. Hi, Mario. I hope and, Tara.   Tom, I'm I'm a Brit like you. I know you gave grew up on South East London. You grew up in Cape Brook. God bless you, my brother.   I grew up on the west, so I'm probably a little bit older than you. I grew up in Fulham, my brother. So I just wanna talk to you very simply.   When are you gonna, a, stop being angry? You could you gotta be that's the first point. Right? Don't take that as a joke. That's been serious. And the second point, my brother,   is do you think it's about time that Britain says like what Holland does   does and just says, right, okay. If you're British, you can only hold one passport.  

Isn't that what America is trying to do now? So   is that is that where Britain needs to go and say,   you know, choose who you are?   Are you British? Are you Indian? British Pakistani?   British Italian? Whatever. Is just tell me what you feel, my brother.  

[01:29:48] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

So I'll stop being angry when I stop seeing my entire country raped   on a daily basis.   That's why I stop being angry. I stop being angry when I see people who shouldn't be here committing mass murder, rape across our country. I stop being angry when I see old age pensioners who can't afford to live, who are struggling, and instead of helping them, we're funding and importing Pakistanis   or Somalis into hotels and funding every single aspect of their life for future generations as well. That's why I stopped being angry, but I'll also stop being angry when the government is trying to knock me up. People are threatened to kill me, rape my family, my home's being target. I'll stop being angry after all that. So you don't don't mistake my passion at the same time as anger because I am very passionate about what I believe in. I wholeheartedly   believe in it. I'm not gonna stop believing it, and I'm not gonna shut up about it. So I went and I'll just correct you on the start. I don't know where you said I was brought up or where I grew up. I didn't. I grew up in Luton Town. That's where I grew up. I didn't grow up in Southeast London. Oh, I'm sorry, brother. I thought you grew up in Cape Brook. So sorry. No. Never been there. Didn't even know. I never heard of it. I'm I'm from Luton Town. So when you got what what what what would what would that point you're making solve? Say, for example,   because what would it solve by saying choose your identity? What does that solve? It doesn't solve the border crisis. It doesn't solve the benefit crisis that we face. It doesn't solve the,   segregation   and non assimilations in the Islamic community. It doesn't solve the 40,000 jihadists on the terror watch list. It doesn't solve the 90% convictions of Pakistani rape gangs. That doesn't solve any of our problems. So I wouldn't put that as a priority in our of any other list. Yet if people have 2 if they have 2 passports, for example, the watch out rumors, I would they'd be deported instantly as soon as they commit the crimes they commit. So I don't I don't understand what that's for. So that if if you're gonna have a if we're gonna try and deal with the problems, what does say we've got a Pakistani who's got a British and Pakistani passport, and I say, right. Make your choice, and he says Britain, but we know he's a terrorist and a jihadist.  

What does it solve?  

[01:31:48] Unknown:

Chief?  

[01:31:51] Unknown:

If I ever ask a question because I know Tommy because Tommy, he he said that he's a, you know, British nationalist, and he said, of course, he's, I guess, against,   all forms of illegal immigration. But I'm curious to see if he believes in legal immigration   at all. I mean, do you do you hold a position that we need to have more immigration into Britain, let's just say, for Tommy?  

[01:32:12] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Currently currently   currently, I think that we need to end immigration. So do I believe in the gym immigration with good people coming to work, good jobs? I believe, yes. Many of the people I love my mother was an immigrant to the UK. Yeah. My mom comes as an immigrant. Most of the people I love, their families would have come here through immigration.   I believe that most of them, even many of them being non white, would also agree now we need to end immigration. We've got to stop immigration. We've got to stop importing people into the country to do jobs that we could be training British people to do. We need to end it. So the even like, I looked at reforms policy that they would have had what they they changed it under pressure, but they would have had one in, one out. Well, half a 1000000 British people left last year. I know why they're leaving. I've spoke to expats the last month while I've been away asking them all. They've all left for the same reasons that we talk about. So we need to tackle the reasons and stop the British people feeling like they need to flee their own nation.   So I'm I'm,   I think we need to end immigration, currently ending.  

But it wasn't I I I did it. If there wasn't immigration, I didn't  

[01:33:14] Unknown:

point based system. But to to clarify something quick though, because I know in the past you have said that you were in favor of some forms of immigration. So now are you saying  

[01:33:23] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

that there should not be immigration? Are you saying that there shouldn't be The comments I made the comments I made the comments I made. So for example, Angela Merkel gave the reasoning   for opening the borders. One of the reasons the Germans give was their aging population and then their need for immigrants is what we hear. Now I made the statement saying, you see if that was the case. If the country was saying we need immigration,   then what I said is bring in Sikhs,   bring in Filipinos,   bring in Hindus,   bring in the people who have proven themselves   as hardworking   and assimilated   and integrated into society.  

Opening your borders to a low educated million young men from Muslim communities   is disastrous,   and it's gonna be proven as disruptive. In fact, last week, it was. When in a Syrian, he went and stabbed 3 people to death, and it continually migrants have been welcomed in by Angela Merkel when the police chief just come out in Germany this week and said safety's now gone in Germany. Well, if you were to listen to people who you call far right and racist, we'd be in a lot better position than we are now. So my point about migration was, if it's needed for work purposes,   let's bring them in from communities who have proven themselves.  

Sikhs, Hindus,   Jews,   Filipinos, hard workers that come in and work,   not   the majority from the Islamic nations who do not.   That's the point. Tommy, I,  

[01:34:46] Unknown:

you you've you've asked people to come up if they disagree with the statement you've made or they think you've made a full statement. Most the the most common request is people wanting to come up and and refer to the stabbing incident and the stabber being an immigrant.   So you already had that. You've already,   addressed that. But I checked on chat gpt what chat gpt says. The answer is just fascinating.   Says the following. So the Tommy Robinson alleged that the stabber was an immigrant.   There is no verified information or public record indicating that Tommy Robinson indicated   specifically alleged that the individual responsible for the Troydon concert stabbing was an immigrant. Okay. And I said it true. The next sentence is the following. However,   given his history of making inflammatory statements about immigration and linking violent crimes to immigrants, it is possible that he made similar claims or insinuations   in relation to this incident.  

So even, a chat GPT is kinda insinuating that it's possible you've made such a statement, and I was just more of an opinion. Shouldn't chat GPT be able to give us that example?  

[01:35:43] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Charlie. And I'd use grok rather than chat GTP on most instances.  

[01:35:48] Unknown:

No. I just I just I just it's just frustrating for me that second statement is completely so, Chanchuk, you said you've never made the statement, so it kinda confirms what you've said. But adding that second sentence saying, like, hey. It's actually possible that you've insinuated   it kinda it's it's similar to what, you know, the the impression that some people have that kinda made that assumption either based on some statements you've made or how the media,   described your your position at the time. But let me go so that was the most common, request that people are putting out in the comments to come up and and ask you that question, that you've addressed now. But I wanna go to Rob. Rob, I know you've been trying to speak for a while.  

[01:36:20] Unknown:

Yeah. Good evening, Mario. Good evening, Tommy. This is just a a quick one. I was on X at the time, that the, emergency in Southport happened, when the name of the,   the Muslim person, which was something Al Shekati,   was named by several accounts. Now that was traced back to,   a website called channel 3 now.   Some people said it had links to Russia. Some people said it was Pakistan.   I'd like to ask Tommy or anybody else that wants to chime in. What do you think the actual motive was,   for this channel 3 website   to, publish this Muslim name? Do you think it was to cause unrest in the UK and to cause the riots?  



[01:37:03] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Probably just to get attention. Clickbait.   I don't know. I don't know, but I did see it. And as I said, never shared it. Not once. No one can throw that because Yeah. I know. You you definitely you definitely did mention it. You definitely never mentioned it. Yeah. I did see I did see a bandit about as I saw, there's always these sorts of things. You know what? Let me tell you something. This week, I spoke to the uncle of one of those dead children. This week. Yeah. I spoke to the uncle who clearly told me that the riots in Southport were started by him and his friends, yeah, and all of them are lying on us. And there's no far right ideology to it. He also told me the allegation   from according to him that there were references made when the man was doing the stabbing.  

Now the problem we have now is and I think Gopaiah haven't made those accusations or gone public. Yeah. The problem is we we never know what to believe, and I'll and the reason being the reason being that if you Google now, Russell Square   attack. Google that now. Just tell me what comes up. Yeah. It's gonna come up that there was a stabbing in Russell Square in 2016.   Now I looked into this stabbing. The Muslim who committed the attack went into his mosque and said he wanted to kill non Muslims. Rather than bringing the police, which is what they should have done, they all prayed for him. He then left the mosque and all these mental health health attacks, so it was blamed on mental health. He didn't walk out of his mosque in East London and start stabbing the local Muslims. What he done is he traveled to Russell Square and he stabbed 7 non Muslims while shouting Allah Akbar in between each attack. He murdered an American citizen. Now that's not listed as a terrorist attack.   Why not?  

It's blamed by mental health. The similar attack when a when a migrant gets off of a motorbike   3 days before the Southport attack, a migrant who's been in the country 6 months, you can understand why people aren't trusting what the police say or the government when they're continually trying to manage these situations.   And they'll not just manage them. They're lying.   Lots of the time, they're lying. Basically, if there's a serious attack or a criminal attack or anything and we don't get given the description, we already know what that now means. The media don't tell you the description. Why are you not giving out description of the person who just stabbed someone or raped someone? Why not? We know why. You're hiding it. You're hiding the fact. And when I looked into the Irish   Irish when I I've done a documentary. Watch it. It's called Plantation 2 Rise of the Celts. It's about the immigration crisis in Ireland. And what we found is the directions coming out of United Nations   basically tell them, the media, the journalists, that they could be prosecuted.  

They must hide   the fact of where these men come from. If they're refugees, they can't tell you. That's actually in the legislation being pushed by the United Nations to media and journalists.   So, yes, we distrust them. Yes, we believe they lied. I still didn't jump to any conclusions. I waited. I still don't trust what they're telling us. It's gone awfully quiet.   Totally quiet. The prime minister, it doesn't matter about that. We don't care about that. Someone threw a rock. Really? Someone threw a stone and you don't care about the 3 dead kids and the continued attacks.   And so so unfortunately,   they they have created, not us, through their fake news, through their bullshit   over vaccines, through the lies during COVID,   through all of their inaction, their corruption, and their deceit,   they've created a total environment where the public don't trust them. In fact, if you look at the European Union poll on trust in media, Britain is the we trust the the media   least out the whole of Europe. We don't trust them. How about Not the not the communist countries, not the former communist controlled media countries. We don't trust them. In Britain, we've lost faith in them because they continually lie. So, no, if they if if the media told me it was raining, probably just I'd sit my head out the window to check because they lie, they lie, and they lie. And they and everything is about controlling   their narrative and pushing their agenda. Now nothing showed that more than COVID, where and people were quite happy when we were being silenced. A lot of the people phoning in here or asking me questions would have been happy because it protects the ideology they follow. It protects their profit from any criticism, legitimate criticism. But what happened is the public saw they didn't mind when Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist or alleged conspiracy theorist, when he was deplatformed and censored on the same day in a coordinated attack by the whole of Silicon Valley. Everyone celebrated. When it happened to me, everyone celebrated. But all of a sudden, it started happening to doctors   and nurses   and scientists. And people started realizing   that's a lie. That's a lie. You're lying to us. Yeah? And the more people that have woken to that so I don't blame any of the public who jumped to conclusions.  

I don't think that people who jumped to conclusions should face criminal prosecutions   or imprisonment either. I believe in freedom of speech. Some people sometimes will make mistakes and get things wrong, and they've got things wrong because the environment has been created from a deceitful lying   globalist corporate controlled   media.   So, yeah, anyone who followed me, I've proven Sky News. I've proven BBC News. I've absolutely exposed them time and time again for their lives. I've just done exactly the same as the judiciary. So why would anyone believe I I I'm having a I've had a lot of criticism over Andrew Tate. I know Andrew Tate. I've had a lot of criticism over Andrew Tate, and I still don't I don't believe anything.   It's like I know. I've I've been in this position. I know the lies they've told about me. I know it. I know it. So I know what they do. Their their job is like Russell Brand. What's your what's your what's your stance? Tell me what's your stance? That was one of my questions. I had 2 of them. What's your stance on Andrew Tate and all the allegations?  

On on all the allegations, I haven't I don't know enough about all the allegations. I don't believe I don't believe it. That's what I told you. I don't believe it.   I don't believe it. So I don't believe anything. If if Andrew Tate is tried by a jury of 12, okay,   a fair jury of 12, and he's convicted,   I believe it. But if he's tried by judge   under pressure by the American establishment and the British establishment because let's face it, they've spoke about it dozens of times in parliament. I think they're spending nearly a £1,000,000,000 on trying to limit his influence in youth. So 2,000,000,000.   2,000,000,000.  

So do you not think that spending 2,000,000,000, they've got enough to influence a Romanian   judge?   Like, look. And and I'll and I'll again, I'll talk from some of the headlines I've read. For example,   Andrew Tate raped a girl in 2017   in the UK, blah blah blah. And what happened, and I know this, yeah, is the 2 girls had that when the when the allegation was made against him, they took their phones.   Now when they took their phones, they were conspiring   together   to blackmail Angie Tate for money. Yeah. That's why there was no prosecution in charge.   So when and if you watch panorama   that I made on myself, what the what the BBC did and what all of them done is anyone I'd ever fallen out with, anyone I'd ever fallen out with, they went and approached. So they get people who hate you, they get people who you've fallen out with. For example, they got my ex employees who I've sacked. They went to people I had disagreements   with, and then they sit them down, and they say, tell us about him. And then they put a camera in him. It. And then they they actually went, hope not hate, a government funded organization with members of parliament   went to Lubin, and this is a fact, and you can watch it. I've done the Hope Not Hate expose documentary, and Nick Lowes admitted it. They went and sat down with a Pakistani   heroin dealing terrorist supporting gang, groomers. They they rape children. They're called the Gambino gang in Luton. They're not original with their name, I know, but they're called the Gambino gang. They went and sat down with a Muslim gang. And do you know what they quoted in this? And Nick Lowes wrote a book, and the media run stories about me that they got off a Pakistani   heroin gang who I've been opposing since I was 21. And you know what? They they they put a source of information, sis. They don't tell you their source of information sells heroin and rape to kids and hates me because I've exposed them for 20 years. They don't tell you their source of information is getting paid £20,000   by Hope I Hate. They use it and they use them as sources. A source told us, but they don't tell you that they've created the source. It's a well oiled machine,   and they they they threw that machine at Russell Brand at the right time. He started talking. So Russell Brand has always been open about how how much he enjoyed sex and how he was a bit of a slag himself, and he's always been open about it. Well, he faced no prosecution. He faced no court cases. He faced no allegations until what? Until he spoke against big pharma. Spoke about Big Pharma and then all of a sudden there's big BBC or channel 4 massive hit pieces on him, documentaries on him, accusations against him. They've gone back and spoke to every girl he's ever dated since he was 16 years old, and then they get a few words from her, a few words from her, bang.  

It's like that's what they do. So I don't know because I haven't been with Andrew Tate. I don't believe it. That's my opinion. And many of us I've   just I've just pinged him as well if he wants to jump on to share his story. He came on on our stage hours to get after coming out of jail for the, what, 3rd or 4th time if you, a few days ago. I think 3 days ago. Will he be in will he be in Ramon? We we are we in reality. Yeah? Will he be in Ramon? And I said to him, when they first come to him, I said, you know what this is about, in my opinion. Yeah? I know what it's about. They've got to end it. They need to end it. They can't have a they can't they spend 1,000,000,000 of pounds over generations weakening men. When you say they who's they? Tell me. So how can you define they? Who are they? Everyone has a different definition to them. Global corporations,   basically, that want to weaken men, that feminize men, they're quite happy. They can't control young, strong men with a sensitive identity who have been brought up by a strong father. So they get rid of the father. They encourage whether it be Planned Parenthood in the United States, they encourage it. Even if you look in America, I think in the 19 sixties, 80% of black children had a dad. Now it's 20%. That's not by mistake.  

That hasn't mistakenly   happened. That is that is target. So that's the real racism. If you want to talk about real racism, all of this is Target. So when Andrew Tate comes along and starts telling young children, be successful. Escape this slave escape the bullshit. Get in the gym. Be strong. Be fight. Don't take drugs. Don't drink alcohol. Be a be a real man.   Be a real man. That's the last thing they want. And and regardless of I've had people challenge me about how he made his money, a lot of friends. Remember, I've got friends. I'm from Luton Town. Luton Town is one of the roughest towns in Britain. Okay? It's a horrible place. A very violent place. And people I've grown up with have gone all different directions in life out of my friendship group. Many of them have ended up in jail. Many of them end up in drugs. Many of them end up in crime. Many of them. But you've grown up with them. You know. So and and people have all all become so judgmental. We even I have people saying, yeah, but, what he made his money. Yes. Yes. Okay. He made his money immorally. That that doesn't mean you have to agree with him on every point. You got it doesn't mean you have to agree with him on every point, but I just I struggle   to believe   anything the mainstream media say. Anything. So and I actually know Andy Tate, and I know lots of people have known him since he was in school. I know the people who fought with him, trained with him. And up until all of this madness, people used to call him arrogant. Mostly like arrogant, but he always always helped people. There's no one that had negative words to say about him.  

And all of a sudden, like and I I I believe he's been   he's probably executed himself at times. He built a bravado and a character. That's what I think. As I watched it, I thought and he told   he told lies, I think,   as I watched him. And I tried to say that to my son because my son was looking up to him. Like, when he said he was a billionaire, I said, son, he's not a billionaire. He said he is. I said, he's not. He said, he's building a profile of himself.   So he's making outlandish remarks creating a character, that's what I think, which ended up generating a hell of a lot of wealth. Now Andrew is always Andrew is quite blatant. He's focused about me. I wanna make money.   I'm a that's what he wanted to do. So he's always done that. So and I've always watched him be controversial   before he was Andrew Tate, before he was top g. Yeah. When we I mean, I've always watched it. When on his social media, he used to enrage   the whole of Luke went purposely   purposely say things to provoke people,   purposely. And some people hate him, some people liked him, but all of a sudden all of a sudden, like, I don't know. I just I just don't trust anything they say. So I believe Andrew and Tristan from the people I know. I know people who when all this blew up, I rang Rory Sinek. Rory Sinek, I grew up with in Loom. He's a good lad. I know him. I know the family. We all know each other. When it blew up, I rang him straight away and said, what the hell is going on here? He said, I've been living there for 2 years. Bullshit. It's bullshit, man. He said so and so I spoke to my friends.  

But, yeah, but now with what they can do, when I say what they can do, let me tell you, I faced your Habib was on earlier. I faced prosecution for contempt of court. Now what they told everyone, they told everyone I as he was trying to splurp all lies, that I jeopardized the trial. Now what I did is I went outside a court case where there were 30 men on trial for raping young English girls. And I look I went on an educational as a as a because I'm a citizen journalist. I spent money with Kingsley Napoli, who are the best law firm in London, to be trained on how to behave around court buildings. So I knew the law when I went up there. I knew that the judge they can the judge can put a report in restrictions. That's what they keep doing in the UK. They use reporting restrictions to prevent anyone talking about these grooming gangs. But he can he does not have the power to put a reporting restriction on information that's already in the public domain. So I looked into the case. I knew everything about those gangs. I knew where their business is well. I knew everything. Yeah. So I went up and I reported simply what was already in the public domain. I did not assume their guilt. I said they could be innocent. They were innocent and proven guilty. I said all of these things. I stood outside court. As the man walked in, I said, how do you feel about your verdict? They shouted, I've seen it. He's at me. The judge come and had me arrested outside court. Within 2 hours, he sentenced me to 13 months in prison.   I had to watch as the fake news media told the whole country I plead guilty. I didn't even get asked to plead guilty. I watched as Nigel Farage sat on TV and justified the reason I was in prison. And it took me 13 weeks of solitary confinement to get to an appeal judge who read the case and realized that I hadn't done anything. Yeah. Everything they've done was unlawful, so I was released from prison. Now in the transcripts from court, the day after the judge sent me to jail, many of the Muslims who are facing trial attempted to have the case kicked out saying that I'd prejudiced the jury. Now the judge's words from the transcript is that he's now had the opportunity. He hadn't even watched my video when he sent me to jail. He's now had the opportunity to watch the entirety of Tommy Robinson's video, and there's nothing he said that could have prejudiced the jury. Another Muslim who was convicted went to another appeal judge. So 2 different judges said nothing I said could have prejudiced the jury. Now that prevented   when I got released from jail after 13 weeks. I then created my documentary, Panorama,   that proved that everything was a lie by the BBC. Within 48 hours of making that film, I was deleted off Facebook, deleted off YouTube, censored on all of them, and the attorney general Did they give you a reason? Did did they give you a reason?  

Well, yeah. They made up reasons. You can Google it. They told people that I I incited murder against Muslims. Well, where's the screenshot? There's a where's the screenshots of this? If I said that, it would be everywhere. It'd be front page newspapers.   That's what they said, the BBC   the BBC said that when they when when I was deleted. But this was about my documentary. And then the attorney general contacted my lawyer and re prosecuted me on what I'd got out of jail for the year before. Reprosecuted me. So then I had to go to the old Bailey and face prosecution.   Now they couldn't say that I prejudiced the jury. Not that not like what the media machine had told the public already. They couldn't say it because 2 judges have already said I didn't. So what did they do? And I'm gonna I'm gonna put this into a video to show everyone because it's insane.  

I that that I go before the head judge of the Old Bailey. Now in under under contempt of under the their proceedings   for reporting restriction, they have to put it on the screen in the court. It has to pay to say reporting restriction, and they have to put it in the door   on on the notice on the door. So when I went in that morning to in Leeds, I went in. I took a picture of the screen. I took a picture of the door. There was no mention of reporting restrictions. I done my job as a journalist, and I still didn't I still didn't breach any report restrictions even though they hadn't labeled it. So when I went before the head judge of the Old Bailey and I produced all the evidence, the head judge kicked it straight back to the government and said, I'm not prosecuting him. Do you know what they've done? And I swear to God, they they replaced the head judge with Dame Victoria Sharp. They got rid of the head judge of the Old Bailey. They replaced him with the first ever diversity   the first ever female head judge of the Old Bailey. They brought me back to court before her, and then she totally changed.  

She she found me guilty. No jewelry. She found me guilty, and the news headlines said that I I,   I called for vigilante   attacks against the Muslims.   Now 5,000,000 people watched that video. I never call for vigilante attacks. What I said in the video, it was to journalists because, remember, you've seen journalists follow me last week on my family holiday. That's not the first time. They don't wanna go out of jail as well. They've they booked a room 2 doors up, took pictures of me every day for 2 weeks trying to get some dirt. There is no dirt. I was drinking water, you know, my kids. Yeah. But so they followed me everywhere. So when when I made the video, I said when I was doing a video on Leave Japan Court, I said, can I just ask journalists, you, Ron, Sonic,   why do you harass us? Yeah. You arrest us for talking about these gangs. Now   why aren't you looking into the gangs? They've been out on bail for 2 years. Yeah. But and again, I'll give you an example. 1 went in in in in camp in Camberley,   in another town in the UK, 6 Muslims. A young 15 year old girl was drunk. She went into kebab shop. She was lost. They took upstairs. They all gang raped her. Her DNA was on them. They got bail.  

They they rechanged the name of their shop and reopened it. I went down there. They're still running the shop. Kids are still in the shop. Yeah. So the point I was making to the journalist,   why don't you go after them?   Why are you following us? Why do you give me such a hard time? And I said, you know what? If you want to harass someone, harass them. Go after them. Start turning up at their houses. I was very clearly   talking to the media that you no one can argue with the fact that I was talking to the media. She changed the total context because she had to. Because to send me back to jail do you know this is the court case where they said, plead guilty. You can go home. Because they had to get a guilty verdict because they've unlawfully imprisoned me for for 3 or 4 months. They I've gone to jail. I've lost 3 phones. I've I've posted my express disorder, and the whole world knew I shouldn't have been in jail. So then they they needed   to be able to tell the public I should have been in jail. So they offered me the deal. Plead guilty and you can go home. So I'm not pleading guilty. So then the judge, no jury,   tells the public that I called for vigilante attacks. So I then sit in jail, and I'm watching the TV, and they   cut the they cut me talking about the journalists, and they just cut to me saying, go after them. Harass them. And then they told the public   that I was talking to my supporters to harass the Muslims. Just a total lie. But they don't care because 5,000,000 people might have watched my video, but they've got the reach of the entire world media. But now they don't care. They're gonna send me to jail. They're gonna tell everyone I lied about this civil refugee. Well, unfortunately, 47,000,000 people know I did. So my my next question  

[01:56:02] Unknown:

Yeah. Go ahead. Just tell me just another quick question, by the way, while you're speaking, just we have breaking news as well.   Trump,   is a kind of an excerpt from his book, essentially threatens Mark Zuckerberg with prison. So he says the following in his book, which comes out, I think, in 10 days. We are watching him closely referring to Mark Zuckerberg. And if he does anything illegal this time, he will spend the rest of his life in prison as will others who cheat in the 2024 presidential election. So essentially, he accuses him of undermining the the 2020 election   and, warns him that he wants that he'll go to jail, if he interferes in the 2024   presidential election. We talked about the politicization   of the legal system,   and it's happening on both sides of the aisle. We talked about it in Brazil. It's happening on both sides of the aisle there in the US, and I think in the UK as well. Tommy, you mentioned it happens on the both on both sides of the aisle. Before going to to the hands, if you can take more questions, Tommy, I've got an important question for you. What's next for Tommy? You're on the on the move right now. I'm not sure what country you're in. Your family's been moved as well. We were meant to to have a a show, I think, a week or 2 ago, and you had threats made towards your family now to, to relocate them as well.  

What is your plan? You said you're planning to go back to the UK knowing that you'll probably be jailed.   What else?  

[01:57:12] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Mario Mario, it makes sense now, doesn't it? Mark Zuckerberg on that little apology yesterday or day 4. He did, yeah. Well, now it makes sense. He knew what's in Trump's book. He's a he's a he's a he knows what's in Trump's book, so he knows he's he knows.   Maybe time's up for all of them. They did they did influence elections. They did. They have. They've censored certain people's voices.   They do need to they need to be brought to justice. I just really hope last time when Trump get in, he needs to go full on on all of them. He needs to bring them   all.  

All of them need to face justice. The destruction of everything we hold dear, the attack on freedom of speech, everything. Because people talk about I always say America, you're the only it's the only place in the world that actually has freedom of speech that's protected. And they want to take that. But do you have freedom of speech that's protected if the place that we have speech, we have the main debate now is Facebook, it's YouTube. We all know it's controlled.   It's totally controlled. And the only place it isn't is here, which is why we're having this conversation. But what's next for Tommy Robinson?   I don't know, man. I cast myself out every day. I I don't know. I just keep I don't know. So as I said, they've thrown so much in these last few weeks. There's lots lots that happen. They're trying to shut us down at every avenue.  

I can confidently say   my next piece about the riots. I believe my silence documentary is a legacy piece for me. No matter what they do, lock me up in jail. It's gonna go to a 100,000,000 views.   Yeah. Please, if you Mario, get you know what? Elon Musk   needs to watch that film and share it. It's everything we all think. The weaponization of the judiciary is it's affects is affected Donald Trump. It's affected Steve Bannon. It's affected Alex Jones. It's affected Kate Hopkins. It's affected everyone. It's a weapon they use. This film totally exposes it and destroys them. That's why they wanted to silence it. It's why they put out, why they tried to silence it. No matter what move they make next, they're just gonna bring more eyes to that film. So what's next? What do I expect? I expect to be in prison. I expect,   unfortunately,  

[01:59:17] Unknown:

I have to take every Have you have you thought about have you have you thought about just leaving and going to a country and and seeking asylum somewhere?  

[01:59:26] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

My fight   my fight is the UK. That's my fight. So my work is the UK.  

[01:59:35] Unknown:

Yeah. My fight is the UK. You can't you can't you can't fight this elsewhere? Do you have to be in the UK to fight it in prison? Like, do you think being in another country and fighting that fight is better than being in prison?  

[01:59:46] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

What   I I confidently would say this. If I went to jail and I'm murdered in jail,   then I believe that may spark the revolution that's needed.   That's why I do.   So I believe that if they think they've seen any problems, you know, they ain't got no idea. So I believe I believe in for every eventuality,   in the next weeks, I will make a video for every of them, probably.   So Have you have you have you If they think they're gonna You're seeing If they think they're gonna be a bit of a problem, they're gonna create a big one and they're ever dream of.  

[02:00:16] Unknown:

So you're fine going to jail knowing that there's a high risk of you getting killed?   I'm not fine. I'm worried. You're you're worried, but you accept you you would still go to the UK  

[02:00:29] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

despite that risk? I walk out my door every day. 6 Muslims got caught with guns and suicide theft and IDs on the way to kill her. I've had 12 wazmin warnings. Last week, they knocked to my mom and dad since I told my mom and dad that they intend to kill them.   So it it's like if you it it what if if I if you're worried about those consequences, I wouldn't be doing any of the stuff I'm doing. Not that I don't worry about, but I think if you fit if you worry about consequence, you're never gonna bring about change. As I said, each of the men that are currently sat in jail are playing a very pivotal important role in saving this country.   They may not see it. They may not feel it, but each one of them has awoken a 100 or a 1000 more people. Each of those prison sentences that they're laying down towards scare the public is just awakening the public. So I totally believe, trust me, wholeheartedly   in my mission and my fight. There's not one part of me that doesn't believe in it. And and to think, are we willing to sacrifice? Yeah. You better believe we're willing to sacrifice. And I've told myself the whole way through everything, through sacrifice comes success, through sacrifice comes success. And at some point and if there is a fight and there's gonna be a fight and there's gonna be a battle and there's gonna be a struggle, then let me fight it. Not let I don't want my son to be in that position. I don't want my kids in 10 years' time to be looking around a destroyed nation   worrying for their kids. I don't want that. And I I'm a very, very deep thinker   in life, in everything. So I've sat and thought about I've had plenty of time to sit and thought think about every eventuality   of all of these things. The only reason I would would would run   would be if I thought it benefited   my cause.  

If I thought it would bring more attention to the issues I'm talking about. That's the only time I would think about that. So,   do will I ever leave the UK? As we sit here talking now, my mom's currently in hospital. Why should I be sat next to her? Yeah. I'm finishing my film. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna finish my next film. It is my way to punch back. Not just my way to punch back, but let they're gonna have a punch off the British public, and it's gonna come in the format of my film. And it's gonna show and expose their lies.   And I'm making that, and I'm in a very great position   that an amazing team that I work with of Urban Scoop and I believe   we'll see what happens over the coming weeks, but   they won't just want me gone. I think that they're gonna be try shut down our journalism, everything we're doing.  

Because   even if they put me in jail as I said, I'm in a I'm in a position now, I think, I I enjoy making my films. I enjoy making people work, and it gives me an ability to   expose them. And I've sat here I've sat here thinking, what am I gonna do now? What the hell do I do now? What do I do when I left I left my kids in Cyprus? Where do I go? What do I do? And and every avenue,   people have hope but as I said, I said at the start of this, I'm I'm in I'm in I'm in a lovely location now that strangers have have given me. The amount of people who have opened their doors to me or the things have changed. They can't put that back in the box. They can't. Yeah. The public are awake.   It it's not gonna be pretty,   but we don't have any option but to continue or but to fight. We do not have an option unless we wanna just become   just accept it. And I don't think again again, I just saw if I I look through previous generations and I look at 15 year olds pretending they were older, lying about their date of birth, what do they do that for to go and fight? What do they go and fight for to save to to protect Britain?  

Look at what we've become.   Look at where we're going. Look at Keasfa. Look at this. Look at it. We don't have no option but to resist it. And if we did, we'd be total cowards.   So yeah.  

[02:04:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Let's go. Look out for my new film, man. It's coming. Well, do any and for anyone listening, highly recommend. If you wanna support the course, highly recommend you you watch and share Tommy's   documentaries. Go on his profile. It's pinned there. Highly recommend it. Even if you strongly disagree with everything that Tommy said,   watching that documentary, to be honest, has nothing to do with Tommy. It's   about something significantly more serious than Tommy you've been talking about. So I appreciate you coming on, sir. All the best on your journey. We'll be watching closely in any way we can support your fight for free speech, we'll be there with you. Thank you, Tommy.  

[02:04:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:

Thank you, Mario, man. And anyone listening, support every single independent citizen journalist. Every single one of them. You see people starting podcast, all the newbies, all the fresh starters, get behind them. Get behind everyone of them. And thanks for listening everyone. And Habiba,   if you're still in it, see you later. Good night, everyone. Thanks, everyone. Bye bye.