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In this episode of "Silenced with Tommy Robinson," Tommy sits down with Pastor Artur Pawlowski, a Polish-Canadian pastor known for his defiance against COVID-19 restrictions in Canada. Pastor Artur shares his life story, beginning with his upbringing in communist Poland, where he learned the importance of freedom and resistance. He recounts his experiences growing up under Soviet oppression, his family's struggles, and the lessons he learned from the solidarity movement in Poland.
Pastor Artur discusses his journey to Canada, where he initially pursued a successful business career before dedicating his life to helping the homeless and feeding the poor. He describes the challenges he faced from Canadian authorities, including numerous arrests and legal battles, as he continued his mission to serve the vulnerable.
The conversation delves into Pastor Artur's resistance against COVID-19 mandates, highlighting his defiance in holding church services and feeding the homeless despite government restrictions. He shares the impact of his actions, including his viral confrontation with police officers during a church service, which garnered international attention.
Pastor Artur also talks about his involvement with the Canadian truck convoy protest, his subsequent arrest, and the harsh treatment he received while in custody. He reflects on the broader implications of government overreach and the importance of standing up for freedom and truth.
Throughout the episode, Pastor Artur emphasizes the significance of faith, family, and freedom, urging listeners to resist tyranny and fight for their rights. His story is a testament to the power of courage and conviction in the face of adversity.
(00:00:00) Introduction and Background
(00:01:42) COVID-19 and Government Overreach
(00:07:16) Polish History and Fight for Freedom
(00:14:07) Life Under Communism
(00:23:00) Solidarity Movement and Resistance
(00:39:46) Journey to Canada
(00:52:00) Helping the Homeless and Legal Battles
(01:21:03) COVID-19 Pandemic and Legal Challenges
(02:03:01) Truck Convoy and Arrest
(02:24:51) Imprisonment and Influence in Jail
(02:57:03) Lawsuit and Fight for Justice
(03:15:01) Reflections and Future Plans
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Artur Pawlowski:
In my country, if you were caught with a pamphlet that was not approved by the Communist Party, you could go to prison for 2 years. Communism, socialism, fascism is hell. If we as men, if we as fathers and mothers will not stand up for the children, they have no future. Come and get me. Right? I'm not hiding. I did not come here with security and, you know, probably listening to our conversation. So what? The pastors, the clergy, the priests have betrayed Jesus and sold him, and they said if you go out pack your bags because you're not coming out. So they intended to assassinate Family, God, faith, freedom, those are the things worth fighting for and and and life is not worth living without them. God and family is the most important thing.
[00:00:57] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Information covered up, censorship, corruption, the mainstream media have proven itself to be untrustworthy. I'm here to give a platform for debate, for truth, for open discussion.
[00:01:09] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I'm introducing you to my podcast, Silenced with Tommy Robinson.
[00:01:15] Artur Pawlowski:
Who exactly is Tom Robinson or Steven? Next to Len with the English friendly EDL.
[00:01:22] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Action. The problem was the Islamic way. Far right, lambophobic
[00:01:27] Artur Pawlowski:
act Since then, it's been organized protests across the country. London, Manchester, Leeds, people in their thousands are marching for us to choose. There is no such thing in this country as a Muslim Free, Tommy
[00:01:43] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Welcome to my latest edition of my podcast, silenced. I'm in Canada. And who remembers at the height of COVID tyranny, I remember watching thinking, why is no one standing up when they were closing religious buildings, when they were closing businesses? And then I saw one pastor, a Polish pastor in Canada, not just stand up, but literally chased the police from his church. I remember applauding. And then I saw the full weight of the communist government come down upon him. So it's my privilege today to meet and hear the life story of pastor Arthur Pawlowski.
I've tried that 10 times, by the way. Let's take 10.
[00:02:19] Artur Pawlowski:
Taste. Chest Chindoble. Chest Chindoble. Yeah. Well, it's an honor, to sit with you during craziness. Even before the big lie, as I call it, the past 4 years, I have watched you standing up and fighting, and I was cheering you. The whole church was cheering you. Now go, Tommy. Go, Tommy. So that's what it's going to take. It's going to take a bunch of us encouraging each other to push this great evil that has been unleashed on all of us and especially on our children. I'd say that you, at the height of COVID, probably become one of the most recognized figures
[00:02:54] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
of resistance against it in the world. Your arrest, everything that followed from it. But if we can, I just wanna rewind to to understand who you are? What made you the person to stand up at that time when all other priests weren't standing up? Yeah? They were closing churches. What made you a person? So if I can just ask, where where was you born, Arthur? Well, I was born in Porrant,
[00:03:14] Artur Pawlowski:
behind the iron curtain under the boots of the Soviets. But also I was called, you know, I was born in a very peculiar country, Poland. We have been fighting for our existence since the very beginning. I mean, the history of Poland is history of fighting for freedom. So growing up in that environment, I grew up in a city that had a concentration camp. We played in the bunkers of the SS during the 70s 80s. My grandma was in Auschwitz Birkenau. She was experimented upon by Doctor. Mengele, the angel of death. She lost 2 children.
My family history, my grandfather escaped Siberia. It took him 2 years to come from Siberia to Poland. And of course growing up during that environment you hear stories from the older generation. My other grandfather and my grandma with my great uncle, they escaped, from Soviets from Soviets in Romania. They were captured by the police and my great, uncle lowered my grandma on the road and they came to Poland. So in our DNA, in our bloodstream, if you will, it's this fight for freedom. And of course, I also grew up in the 80s seeing the solidarity movement with my own eyes, seeing the power of the people. You see, that's the message that I have for the masses.
There is more of us than of them. Realize this. The moment you say no so 50,000 communists were ruling over 36,000,000 Poles until the millions said enough is enough, took it to the streets. But how did they do it? They did it peacefully and they were chanting with this huge massive cross. I don't know if you remember that. Michael. We want God. We want God. That was direct attack against the godless evil wicked communists. Because what we are observing right now is the wannabe pharaohs, the wannabe slave masters enslaving the whole humanity.
They are the elites. According to them they are telling you and me you will own nothing and you will be happy. Why? Because they will own everything. They're telling you you will be riding on a bicycle eating crickets and owning nothing while at the same time they are flying private jets to Davos eating the most expensive Japanese steaks and accumulating the biggest amount of land ever. Bill Gates has become the number one landowner in United States of America. So you got to pay attention what is happening. Simply what I'm trying to say to to all of you, this is a repetition of history. We've seen this before. Nothing is new under the sun. So I grew up in a place that simply have seen this before. And what I'm saying to the people is I've watched this movie. You know when you watch a movie you know how it ends? I've watched this movie. I know how it ends. We must change the script.
[00:06:29] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Poland was wiped off the map. Right? There was no Poland. For over a 130 years. For over a 130 years. So for people to understand Polish history, because maybe this is the reason why you're the man standing up. For your generations, for your grandparents, you've all heard the stories of what it's like. That's right. And understand within a generation what it's like to not have freedom. I think the the biggest civil uprising in history was in Warsaw. No? 200,000 with pitchforks to fight against Nazis of of of the people. And I think Polish history, they've never been in every war ever, they've been outnumbered 30 to 1, minimum 30 to 1. So I think so would you say that it's your upbringing and your understanding of what it's like to not have freedom and your family's fight throughout history for freedom,
[00:07:13] Artur Pawlowski:
that you can see what you can see the reminiscence of what's happening now in Canada and in the West. That's right. Also, every year that I go to Europe, I make sure sometimes I take my friends from Canada, sometimes I'll take Americans, my family, of course, my children. I will take the time to go to Auschwitz Birkenau. I'll tell you why. Because every single time I go over there it's a good reminder to what happens when you don't put a check on people's power. Right now, we have a situation where there is no accountability to those lying politicians.
There are no checks and balances. They do whatever they want and there is really nothing we can do about this. The judges are corrupted. The police are just simply following orders. You know, other Polish men, I've heard this before. Nuremberg trials when all those SS people came, those evil wicked monsters I call them, they showed up in front of the whole whole ward and they said, I'm not guilty. I was just following orders. No no no no no. It doesn't work that way and definitely doesn't work that way before God. Every man is accountable for what he has done. You will stand naked before the living God and you will give an account for what you did. Not what your wife did, not what your neighbors did, not what your politician did, but what you did. And if you were a good man you will get a reward.
If you were a wicked man you will also get a wrath of God. You will pay for it. So growing up in this environment, learning history, I think the problem we're facing right now, the most of the children and then, of course, they grow up, this generation doesn't know history. They don't know who they are. They don't know. If you do not know where you came from, you don't know where you're heading. You see, I'm a proud Polish man. I'm not hiding I'm Polish. I mean my accent even, it's not hiding it. I'm a Pole, I was born in Poland. Yes, it was crazy at times. The history of Polish people is is a roller coaster, but that's my history. That's the history of my parents, my grandparents. I'm proud to be a Polish man but I'm also proud to be a Canadian.
My children were born here. My home is here. I am a Canadian. I came to love this land and I'm a very patriotic man. I think we've lost that. Our children do not know in a big scale what patriotism even means, that God has given us this land for a purpose. It's a gift from God Almighty to you and to me and he wants us to take care of the land but also take care of each other. We've lost that and it's by design. What they are doing right now, and again I have to go back to to history, I grew up in hell. Communism, so Communism, socialism, fascism is hell.
I grew up in hell. And when you
[00:10:11] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
grew up in that kind of environment What was it like growing up? Tell me When you So so let people understand. What was it like growing up?
[00:10:19] Artur Pawlowski:
Never ending lineups. What's that mean? What that means is every Saturday, my mom would send me to buy a loaf of bread once a week. And to buy a loaf of bread, I had to stand in a lineup. I could not see the end of it. What it means is that I was 7, 8 years old, and they would send me 3, 400 kilometers from home with luggage that I could not even lift, with meat because we couldn't buy it here. You had to go somewhere else. What it means is that the government controlled everything, what you eat and how much you eat. They were giving you the food stamps. And on the food stamp, I'll never ever forget this, on those little stamps would say 2 kilos of pork or 2 kilos of, you know, sausage.
The government was telling you how much vodka you can drink. The government was telling you how much gasoline you can put into your car. The government was telling you where you can have a house. You can afford it but they were telling you if you can have it or not. The government was telling you if you can buy a car or not. Every single aspect of your life was controlled by wicked evil corrupted to the core bureaucrats. More, what happened also those bureaucrats, because of the briber, lying and cheating and stealing, turned the entire nation into a nation that was run by bribery, cheating, and stealing, not because the Polish people were bad people.
It's the only way you can survive. You gotta survive. I mean in the end of the day, I'm a pastor, I'm a clergy. The Bible is very clear, thy shall not steal. But I'm telling you, Tommy, if I had a situation that I could not eat and my children were starving, I'll probably go and do something to get it. Right? This way or that way. So that's what communism, that's what every ism turns people into. And everyone was afraid of everyone. Everyone was afraid of everyone because they'd made everyone report on everyone? Of course. So you couldn't trust your neighbors? There was no trust in the community because they're the secret police? Because that's the What's the design? You know, why a man like me arose in such a, you know, quick way? Because I was the first Canadian, I don't know if you know that, I became the 1st Canadian to get the big lying ticket 4 years ago. I got this ticket at the beginning of 22 By ticket you mean fine, this massive fine, tens of 1,000 of pounds? Oh, like 1,000,000 of dollars. Okay. I got over 40 citations. My record is and I've never met a man with more the bigger amount of citations and tickets, 360 tickets, a 120 court cases, and 16 arrests. Plus, many times I was detained.
My son has been arrested 5 times already. My brother 12 times. So they're going after family. They're going hard. They are ticketing, harassing, intimidating. My phone has been monitored for the past 20 years. My beginning of resisting this evil did not start with a big life 4 years ago. It started way way way way before when I started to feed the poor. Because you have to understand the system, the mechanism of this, what we are witnessing right now, the the greatest takeover or as I call it the greatest takedown of the middle class. Because right now in front of your eyes they're creating 2 categories of people. The slaves, the super powerful, the rich and slaves, social insurance number. That's it. You'll own nothing, you will be happy and you will have to report to them. They, the masters, will be telling you what you can and cannot have. That's communist, that's Poland that I was growing up. You couldn't talk freely because you were afraid. In my country, if you were caught with a pamphlet that was not approved by the Communist Party, you could go to prison for 2 years.
If you were caught listening to a European radio, you could go to prison for 5 years. But prison was not like you think. Prison is what they send me to now. Canadian prison which is hardcore concrete floor, no water, no washroom. The Solitary confinement. Solitary confinement, metal cages. I'll tell you all about that later on. But the communist socialist fascist, you know, enterprise, if you will, hybrid that we are witnessing in front of our eyes, they have one goal. They need to scare the people and they need to subdue the people. You cannot subdue the middle class because they can hire lawyers. They can push. They can come to the rally. They can come and protest you. Why do you think the Canadian global governments forbid its gatherings?
Because they watched the Polish uprising in 1980. I'm telling you. Tell me what happened in 1980. So you mean you're in Poland? Tell me what happened in 1980. I'm in Poland growing up in hell where the government was controlling everything. Fear was tangible. You could actually cut it with a with a knife. People were depressed. Why do you think so many Polish people turned into vodka, right? The jokes about the Polish people. Right? Because no hope, hopelessness, depression. There was it didn't matter if you were a hardworking man, you couldn't achieve anything unless you were corrupted man, unless you were bribing. I remember as a kid I couldn't pass my driver's license without giving a bribe to the teacher. Just that's how the system was.
Everything was run by bribery. So growing up in that kind of environment where everything was twisted and perverted and evil, of course, the history was manipulated. I remember growing up as a kid and the teachers were telling us about Joseph Stalin. I'm sure you're familiar with the name. And, Joseph Stalin was the savior of Europe. We were told as kids to call him Dierduskas Stalin which means Grandpa Stalin. So that And indoctrinating the children. Right. And and of course you learn later on that this man murdered more people, twice as many people as Hitler. But Hitler was the bad guy at that time. Why does why do we never get taught that now? Why do we never hear about the atrocities of Stalin? Well, because what we are seeing right now is a repetition of history. It's socialism and communism 2.0 or 3.0, whatever you wanna call it. They have been working on this for a very long time. Communism, socialism is a godless system.
And if you were wondering why, first of all, why did they wanted to muzzle you up? Because they were telling you symbolically, they knew that the virus is too small. They knew that the virus at the path pathogen is 1,000 times smaller than the bacteria and this Pampers on your face is not going to stop from coming in and going that. So why wear 1? Because they were telling you symbolically, you have no voice. Your voice doesn't matter. And also your face means nothing. You're a nobody. You're faceless, nameless nobody.
You have no voice. You're a slave, symbolically. Masks were always associated with slavery. They did it to many many tribes and different people through generations. They would put a mask on an individual
[00:17:41] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
telling him To take away his identity. Right? His identity.
[00:17:44] Artur Pawlowski:
Also have you ever wondered why they forbid the church people to gather? Because they learned from history, from the Polish uprising under the solidarity movement, that that's where people gather. That's where there is an exchange of information. I was a businessman before, Tommy. We had this famous saying that information is more powerful than money. You know why? Because if you have the right information, making money it's easy. It's the information that is difficult because if you know where to put your money, money makes money.
So you can do that, but if you don't have the right information, you're going to be poor for the rest of your life. So they know that when people gather, when there is an exchange of information, when 2 individuals are talking, suddenly your eyes will pop up. Wow, I didn't see this. I didn't know that. And also clergy, why they attack the churches? Because historically that's where resistance happens. Why? Because a real Christian and and here we're coming to the whole story that there are not many real Christians anymore. The church has been infiltrated? The pastors, the clergy, the priests have betrayed Jesus and sold him for 30 shekels of silver, for 30 coins.
They sold him because of fear, because of trinkets, before because of money or other things. So when a real Christian comes together, then God is the number 1. Your obedience, allegiance if you will, is to God because he's smarter than all of us combined together. He's the one that created us and government, crooked government hates that because now the government is competing with your thoughts, with your belief system, and if you don't bow before prime minister or president or mayor or police officer or whatever the man is, if you're not bowing to him, why not?
Oh, they're bowing to God, then we have to shut it down. It was fascinating to watch all of that because abortion clinics were open, liquor stores were open When? During the COVID lockdown. Marijuana stores. Liquors stores. Yeah. Yeah. At the biggest lockdowns And they shut gyms. Right? In a in the middle of the biggest lockdowns, I remember my son's bed broke. So we had to go and buy him a new bed and we went to IKEA. I could not believe it that at the front of the entrance to IKEA it had a ride up and it said only 500 people allowed. Only 500 people. I could not have a brother for coffee according to them. And nothing makes sense. Right? But I can take my brother, my mother, my whole family and my whole church to IKEA and that would be perfectly legal. So what I did growing up in hell, you learn, you smell. When it shows up again you you don't have to think.
You know right away this great evil that you escaped has come again. So when they showed up at the beginning of 2020 and told me I have to shut down my soup kitchen, I feed thousands of people on the streets of Calgary. We never stop feeding them. We still feed thousands of people and that's I'm doing this for 25 years right now. So when they said I have to stop feeding the poor because we're in the middle of this crisis, I questioned them. I said, okay let's say we are in the middle of this great crisis. Then my services are now needed more than ever.
You're shutting down shelters, you're shutting down soup kitchens, what do you think is going to happen to 15 to 20000 different individuals facing homelessness? No answer. I said I'll tell you what will happen. They will go to the streets and they will wipe grandma's head for $5. They will break into a car. They will break into a house, into a garage, into a grocery store because people need to eat. If you don't feed them and if you stop us feeding them, then guess what is going to happen? Bad things are going to happen. No reply. I appealed it to the mayor. I appealed it to the premier, Jason Kenyon at the time. And I appealed it to every minister in the province of Alberta. No reply.
0. At that moment I said to my family and to the church, this is all a big lie. This is this is all. I I knew because if they really cared about human lives, if if they truly cared about saving people, then they would reply to me and would give me an explanation why I cannot keep saving lives. By feeding those people they're desperately hungry. But because they didn't reply I knew we are dealing with communist, fascism and socialism combined together because this is a hybrid. It's like they're flipping a page from a book called How to Become a Tyrant, and they are implementing one step after another by the media, shutting down any form of dissent, scaring political opponents, or assassinating them, and in some countries shutting down any town hall meetings, church meetings, any place that people can receive or exchange information.
[00:23:00] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Explain to me what happened in like because that exchanging of information,
[00:23:04] Artur Pawlowski:
explain to me how important that was in 1980 in Poland. What was it that Oh, that was the power. What happened? That was the power because you see the mechanism of the enemy, of the tyrant is isolation, segregation, separation. Why? Because they want you to feel hopeless. You must feel hopeless. You must come to a point in your life that you throw the the hands down and say, there's nothing I can do. I cannot fight them. There's too many of them and they're too big. They're goliaths, right? They're the giants. When we come together, when Art and Tommy comes together, suddenly we exchange the information and we don't feel so alone.
Suddenly I'll say something to you that your heart will leap and you will tell something to me and my heart will leap and suddenly we're better. We are feeling stronger. We are no longer alone.
[00:23:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
We're standing for what's right,
[00:23:57] Artur Pawlowski:
what God is on our side, and if we can find few more people like minded, then we are a power horse. That's how revolution starts and they know that. You see, here's the problem. They know history. Most of the people out there do not know history because if they knew history they would know how to counter attack this attack. I know history. So to me it was okay, how the Polish people did it? I was just a kid. My wife was smuggling pamphlets for solidarity movement in a backpack. What was the solidarity
[00:24:28] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
movement? People understand?
[00:24:30] Artur Pawlowski:
So we have been, let's go to 1939 quickly. Poland was attacked by the Nazis. First nation that was attacked by the Nazis, and the whole hell got unleashed. We've lost about 11,000,000, 12000000 Polish people during the war from 1939 to 1945. You talked about Warsaw Uprising and other there were multiple other uprising. But we've lost our youths, we've lost our young men, the fighting men. So in 1945, the Russians came and just took over our country. We were enslaved by the Soviets because Germans wiped out our young men. There was not many that were able to fight. So the Russians just came in and took over Poland. So we were enslaved. While you in England and in America, in France, when you when you were celebrating the victory over the Nazi, over the Hitler, right, in 1945, we were crying because we were taken over by the Soviets, communists. Polish people were not communists.
We were free. We capitalism was flourishing between the 1st war and the 2nd war. So we were devastated. We were destroyed. Tens of thousands of people are mortared, slaughtered by the Soviets, by Stalinism. So anyway, fast forward, I was They came in and killed all the educated. Oh, they they killed Well, they came in. Yeah. Or they killed 100 of 1000 of people. Tens of 1000, you know, sent to Siberia. My grandfather, of course, even before that. And lots of people imprisoned and tortured for years. And then I was born and I was born already behind the Iron Curtain under the boots of the Soviets. So that's the only thing I knew, slavery. We were slaves.
When you went to school, you couldn't just buy what you kids in England could buy or you could dream about it. You couldn't get necessities. If I had pants and by the way those are jeans. You don't even think about them. Right? Like when was the last time you thought, oh, jeans. Wow. That's an expensive stuff. No. Because it's like $20, $30. You didn't even think about it. Well, that was 1 month. Every single day a man had to work for 1 pair of jeans. So as kids, when you got one, it was like having a Rolls Royce. It's like, wow. It was something so precious.
Everything I remember from my childhood, it was chasing after necessities of life. It was funny thing in the beginning of the big lie in 2020, remember the shortage of toilet paper? Yeah. So I'll tell you a story. My wife doesn't like when I tell the story but you know, it paints a picture. I don't know why during communism, there is always shortage of toilet paper. I have no idea, but that's the reality. So what we did and I remember this for many years in Poland when I was growing up that you had to take their propaganda papers, newspapers, and you had to cut them in pieces like this, like this big and you would break them.
You break them and you you make them straight and you break them again to use as a toilet paper. Because if you didn't do that you would cut your bum. It was craziness. After you were done your thing, your bum was completely black because of the ink. So you've got 36,000,000 Polish people running around with black bombs. You know, now when I look at this, it's kind of hilarious, but at that time it was a horror movie. It was crazy. You could not go and buy a toilet paper. 2020 shows up. Guess what? I'm looking on TV, people fighting for toilet paper. I turned to my wife and said communism has arrived. Just like that. Run away. Because all of those things are symbols.
And you can tell we are repeating a history by watching the symbols being unleashed on all of us. You couldn't just go to a store and buy whatever you need. There were restrictions exactly like growing up under Communism. That's why I say and that's why I call those officers there by their proper pronouns. It's all about pronouns right now. Right? So I call them by the proper pronouns, Gestapo and Nazi. Why? What is Gestapo? People don't even know what that means. It means political police. That's what it means. Gestapo is simply a political police that was, you know, obeying the Nazi regime during the Hitler era. I'll just shut this off.
And, but people don't know that. Nazi. Why did I say Nazis? You have to understand that I have been hunted down by those authorities since 2005.
[00:29:20] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Let's go through that story. 2000 Let's go through so first of all, so people understand, what broke the what broke that in Poland and how old was you when it broke in Poland to free the Poland? When were the Polish people freed? Yeah. So
[00:29:33] Artur Pawlowski:
and what what was the solidarity movement to do that? So people listening understand how did people come together, how did they resist it? So Polish people tried to break away from communism from the very beginning, but they were crushed without mercy. We did not have enough able bodies, men to fight because again, the nineties killed most of them and then 100 of 1,000 were arrested by Stalin. And so we didn't have men to fight and the rest, they were working for the for the communist regime. So in 1965, there was an uprising in Poland. So just few years after after the war, the Polish people took it to the to the streets and they were demanding freedom.
They were brutally destroyed. But out of that fire in a city called Poznan, out of that fire, the, Hungary got free. I don't know if you remember the Hungary revolution in 1965, 66, 67. So that started because of the Polish people in the city of Pulsdne. But the Russians brutally destroyed the Polish uprising. They tried to do the same thing with the Hungary people but they didn't manage to do it. It was too far and, Hungary got freed. Then in 79, I believe, another uprising, so about 10 years later, Polish people rose to get to the streets, fought for the freedom, brutally arrested, murdered, many clergy died, and, and that was over. And then then it came 1980.
And I remember this because I lived through this whole thing. Polish people finally decided enough is enough. And under solidarity movement what is solidarity movement? Solidarity movement started with by the woman. Valentinovic was her name, and she was fired from her job. She had number of kids. And in solidarity with her and other political dissidents that were brutally oppressed by the regime, few people stood. Just few. And then when others heard about those people standing up, they joined in solidarity with her and them, and it grew. And then the word spread. You see, that's what they don't want. You know why there's censorship?
[00:31:53] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
They could say that, they're not working. Because they don't want
[00:31:57] Artur Pawlowski:
us to know what's happening. You see your video with your arrest it was fascinating and I said what a dumb people those people are. They gave you free advertisement around the world, 35,000,000 views of your arrest. I mean it's like brilliant. When they came to to our church, over a 1000000000 views of me kicking them out. So whatever they do works against them because God is helping us. God wants the people to know what's going on. And that's exactly what was happening in 1980. The world of uprising, peaceful uprising, resistance, non compliance, kind of a general strike, if you will, I shall not work for you because you're treating me like a slave and I am nobody's slave, went like a wildfire and more companies started to join.
And soon, it started with literally few people. It was 1,000, then tens of 1,000, then 100 of 1,000, and then 1,000,000. And what the government did, the 1st year, solidarity movement had a 1,000,000 members within the 1st year. So they outlawed solidarity movement. Sounds familiar? They outlawed Solidarity Movement and guess what? The next 2 years it grew to 3,000,000 strong. And in 1989, at the collapse of communism where a Berlin Wall fall down, an iron curtain was broken, we had over 10,000,000 strong. So what happens is, it's it's it's the same mechanism, they are afraid of the truth, but the truth is unstoppable. And the truth went like a wildfire from city to city, from town, from village to village, and people started to join because what it takes what it takes is a spark.
A courageous man that says I'm not going to do it. A spark, you are that spark. When people watch you they say, if Tommy Robinson You know, don't get me wrong, you're no you're no special, you got 2 legs, 2 arms and a hat just like me, but you did something extraordinary when they were looking for someone, when they were looking, waiting for a man, then came Tommy Robinson. And they said to themselves, if he can do it We can. With his funny English accent.
[00:34:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And then when they look at me, if this Polish guy with the broken English Which is why they have to set an example of us. Right? That's why they can't That's right. That's why they won't stop. Of course. To send a message to the rest of them. Because you have to remember
[00:34:29] Artur Pawlowski:
that they are flipping the pages of how to become a tyrant. Tyrants cannot allow Tommy Robinson running around free. They cannot allow clergy preaching the truth that sets the captives free, gives people messages of hope and strength and power that God is bigger than prime minister, God is bigger than president, God is bigger than the elites, the, you know, the psychopaths. That's a very dangerous message. And that's why they came crashing down so hard. But going back to the solidarity movement, it scared them so much that they invoked, they invoked, war measures.
[00:35:10] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Right? Sounds familiar again. And this We'll get on to this. We'll get on to this. The same thing. Same thing. Go on. So,
[00:35:17] Artur Pawlowski:
Polish governments
[00:35:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
invoked that. I see the similarities here is we're gonna get on to we'll get on to what's happening now, but go on, Carol. Of of course. It's all identical. If only people knew history, they would never ever allow this to happen again. You can understand why every Polish person in there who's your age understands because you remember it. Yeah. We don't in Britain. We didn't live under this. Yeah? No. No. You didn't. And Canadians didn't as well. No. We don't understand the fight for communism or identity. We think that it's just we're born into this freedom. Yeah. You're not. No. We don't realize that there's never been freedom like this. We don't realize that. Free freedom is
[00:35:52] Artur Pawlowski:
is that fragile. And it's that close of you losing it if you are not vigilant, if you're not paying attention what those groups are doing. You can lose it during your lifetime. And for Polish people like me, we already lived in hell. We don't wanna endure the same thing again and definitely we don't want our children to endure what we had to endure during the boots of totalitarian regime. So the government outlaws solidarity movement but that did not stop the people. Many people arrested, some murdered, including clergy were murdered. There is this famous famous story of Popi Ushko. He was, tortured for 3 days.
Every bone broken. Like, what they did to this man, I don't wanna even imagine. Because they hate God and they hate hate hate anyone that gives people hope. Hope is a commodity that they cannot allow people to hear. That's why they hate me so much because my messages are not just this is bad bad bad bad bad. Because I always take them through the history, but then I'll tell them the remedy. It's very easy. Actually it's a shockingly easy how to beat those people up. People don't realize that we have the power and that's what the Polish people did. Millions took it to the streets with a very simple message. It was not a complicated message. We are nobody's slaves.
Get out of our lives. We just we just wanna live our lives in peace. And they did it on masses. So the government got scared. They crushed the people brutally. When they were crushing them brutally, more people were rising up there because there was the sympathy with the martyrs during that time. And it took yes, you know, the the problem that we're facing, Tommy, is that it takes a while to break things. It will take a while to fix things, to rebuild. I used to be a builder, in my you know, before I became a a clergy, I was a builder and I'm telling you it's easy to demolish. It's easy to destroy.
It's very difficult to rebuild. It takes time. It takes resources. It takes, you know, thinking, and, it will take a while. It took Polish people 9 years, but as you remember, like Walesa, 1999, 1989, 1989, the Berlin Wall goes down, the Iron Curtain gets broken, Soviet Union collapses, and Poland becomes the freest country on earth at that time. There was this period between, you know, 1980s and 2000 some, you know, before this big lie where Poland was absolutely doing amazing. It was fast growth capitalism, people were, really doing great.
So those villains we're dealing with, they know history and they understand what they cannot allow to happen. In order for them to win, they have to destroy people coming together, town hall meetings, Tommy coming to speak to Calcutta. That's unacceptable. We have to send a message to scare other Tommies from coming. That's what they're doing. And that's why it's up to us to rise up and say, yeah, they've arrested me 16 times. I had I faced over 120 court cases and over 360 citations and here I am laughing in their face. I mean, come and get me. Right? I'm not hiding. I did not come here with security and, you know, probably listening to our conversation. So what? Let them learn some good things. Maybe some of them will be saved.
We have spies in our church. I'm being monitored all the time. I'm in court still. So when when did you come when did you come to Canada then?
[00:39:44] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Poland gets free. When when did you arrive in Canada and why? So my father escaped in 1989
[00:39:51] Artur Pawlowski:
to Greece. And then, he called the family. He says, that's it. I'm done with Poland. I I didn't wanna deal with with communism at that time. That was still before the freedom. He comes to Greece and he calls us to come. So we join him the next year, the whole family, and we started to rebuild our lives. And that's where I started to work, for, you know, rich people building houses. So that's what I did for a living, land development and houses. And then Canadian Embassy called us and they I will never forget this meeting in Canadian Embassy, we spent 5 years in Greece and the officer said because they knew we had money, we had, you know, things and cars and all of that stuff. They said sell everything you have, come to Canada. Canada is the freest country on earth in Canada. No one will ever persecute you for your fate. It's like now it's so ironic that, we heard those words, we decided yeah that's the land we wanna live in and, where we wanna have children, build a house, you know, plant a tree, buy a dog. You know, just hey that's the land I wanna die in, you know, this American dream where a man can work hard, achieve something beautiful, and leave a legacy, a blessing for the next generations. So we arrived here in 1995 and at first I was not involved at all. I went back to business, started building houses for for rich people again, and I knew there's something definitely wrong with this country but didn't I did not really care at that at at that time. I knew it's very corrupted, which is a different corruption than I experienced in Poland. It's a different corruption than I experienced in Greece.
This corruption is what with white gloves. It's hidden. You don't see it, it's not in your face but it's there. You bring bribes just like you did in Poland. You do the same thing. I was bribing police officers, I was bribing politicians. Here. Here, Greece, Poland, you name it, the system is the same. And as a businessman you just do what you need to do to to make a living, right? Of course now they hate me because I went to the other side. I'm exposing them. I can tell you how much a mayor took for which project because I was I was there, I know. They they cannot stomach me because I used to be them. I used to be part of them. I was never a bad man. I I never hurt people. I never I've never stolen from people, but that was part of the system. I was part of the club, elite club. I used to own a magazine and media. I was in the media. I I could eat in any best restaurant I wanted, you know, open doors. I had interviews. I
[00:42:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Was this before you found God? Yeah. Before I got serious. Before you found God? Yeah. So this so so you've come to Canada, you're succeeding. Like most people, your passion is probably making money and succeeding. That's right. And whatever you have to do to make that money and succeed, people do. That's right. And you become part of the club that's that's in that process. When do you find God then? When does that change? Well, I,
[00:43:00] Artur Pawlowski:
I met my wife in Greece. She was a born again Christian. Amazing, fascinating woman that I could not get out of my head. If you know her Is she Greek? No. She was Polish. She's Polish. And, she fascinated me because she have seen the world totally through different glasses. So I was telling her the world is evil. People are like wolves. They're like sharks in the middle of the sea. When they smell your blood, they will just kill you. So I saw people as bad because I've seen so much corruption, so much evil, police beating people, abuse of power. So my worldview was humans are awful. Stay away from them. They're awful people.
If you need to do business to make money, do business and and just withdraw yourself. But she says, no, they're beautiful. I don't I will never forget the moments with her when we went to, you know, to see friends or whatever and she would always look at another man and she would always find something good. I would always find something bad. She would always find something good in that person. I said look what, you know, this guy is. But look how wonderfully he talks to his wife. And, you know, she always looked through those Positive. Positive. And she was telling me about this God. And I said, hey, listen.
I grew up in under Catholicism. I've seen corruption, the priests, girls, poker game, wasting kids. It's it's worse than outside of the church. I don't wanna have anything to do with this God. If those are his representatives, I don't wanna have anything to do with that kind of a God. Of course, I did not read the bible. I thought that because they say they represent god, that that must be about god. But she says, read the bible. God hates the same thing you hate. He hates this hypocrisy. He doesn't stand for it. And so finally I did. It was a process. It took 7 years. What year is this? It was, When did it start? And it started in 92. Yep. And then it ended 7 years later. It took 7 years. I'm a very stubborn man. I I am more stubborn than all the donkeys combined together. I'm tired of eating. I've
[00:45:08] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
noticed.
[00:45:09] Artur Pawlowski:
I've seen. So 99, I finally took the knee, to God and I said, God changed my life. I was a drunkard. I was a very heavy drunkard every day. And we Drinking alcohol? Oh, yeah. Okay. Beer during the week and, heavy liquor whiskey, weekends to a point that, I didn't know what I did many times. Like, it was driving, of course, sport cars and stuff like this. 24050 on the highway, like, bad things. We used to do those, speeding, you know, who's faster and races and stuff like this on the streets. It was horrible. And most of the time I was so drunk I didn't know how I got home.
And, many times I would be awake and holding toilet puking all night long. And I felt horrible. I I did not know why I am behaving this way. And she was fighting for my life, but, it was a process. And, and one day, I took a beer, I didn't open it, and I put it on the table. That was 1999. That's where everything changed for me. And I didn't open, and I look at this beer for 3 days. And my wife, on the second day, came to me and says, should I call a doctor? Because you you look like you lost your mind. And I said to her, I'll never forget that. I said, I don't understand what happened to a man like me. I was supposed to do great things in life, but I'm a loser. I had money, but I was a loser.
And I said to her, I am a slave to a bottle. How that happened? I look at her and say, how did that happen? That man like me becomes a slave to a bottle. I don't wanna be a slave to no one and nothing. I wanna be free. So I never opened it. That was 1999 and I'm telling you I have become free and, 2000 we reconciled with my wife and and you know I stopped doing even business the way I was doing like it was completely clean. Nice. If I had to bribe someone, I would not do the job. Spiritually clean? Completely. I fixed my entire life, got reconciled with my wife, 100%. She got pregnant and then our first son, Nathaniel, was born and that shook me big time because he was born dead with a heart on opposite sides, smashed lines.
A huge huge story. They did a documentary on this. Nathaniel in Hebrew means a gift from God, and our first born son was born the same day I was born. And that shook me big time because at that time, I didn't care about money. I wanted to fix my life completely. I stopped drinking 2,000. So 6 months after I stopped drinking, my son, our son was born with such a huge mess. And what happened was he had a hole in his muscle and through that hole, bowels went up and smashed his whole upper chest. And the doctor said he's not going to survive. There's no way he can live. So they asked us to unplug him. But you see that's where fate of my wife comes in. She says, no way. We'll fight to the death. If God takes this kid, it will be his choice, not the doctors.
And she started to pray. I've never seen more dedicated, focused person on in my life. Every day she called every friend. There was prayer. She read the Bible to this little boy. He was on the machinery, so huge and little tiny baby. It was unbelievable. Anyway, it takes me a couple hours to tell the story. Fast forward, God healed the kid against every expert in the land. They said, they took me to the to the room with my wife, x-ray room. At that time, there were x-ray rooms. And, 24 years ago. And they said, we we cannot explain what happened. It looks like your god held your prayers. We've called your son a star baby because this is a baby that should not be alive but is living. It should not be breathing but is breathing. It's like a baby that came from the star. So we called your son a star baby. What happened was within few hours, a heart went to its natural place and the lung I have a surgeon report the lung was not there at all when they opened him up.
Few hours after our prayer with me and my wife, the the heart moved to its natural place and the lung appeared, and they could not explain it. The machinery was fighting with the body of our son, so they, they removed the pipe just for a split of a second, and they said He breathed. He's breathing. Like, this is a medical impossibility. So, that that I think that moment changed my entire life. I'll tell you what happened at that moment. I realized that there are certain things that are more important than money. That there are certain things that are more important than power, than political friends, and this whole, you know, sport cars, and Hollywood style and palaces and swimming pools and all this garbage.
Family, God, faith, freedom, those are the things worth fighting for and and and life is not worth living without them. God and family is the most important thing. So that changed my entire perspective. I still went to business, I still did business and it was quite successful. I had office in Bunkers Hall. Bunkers Hall is the most prestigious place in the city of Calgary. I, own number of corporations and development company, building company, media, all kinds of different things I was doing. And then 2,005 and part time I was working with the homeless people.
In 2,005, I walked out of the business. Literally, I packed my stuff from the office. I walked out, never went back. I left 1,000,000 of dollars. I lost 1,000,000 of dollars, lost my houses and everything else. I walked out of the business, never went back and I dedicated my entire life to homelessness, to take them off the streets. Because you see I was pretty good at what I was doing. I was pretty good when I was doing this part time. And I thought to myself, what if I just dedicate my entire life saving those people? I'll probably save lots of people instead of doing it part time. So that's what I did. And, within 3 months, I took 600 people off the streets.
Within 3 months. And then guess what happened? Government happened. In 3,005. Wow. 2005, I had my first police officer. What for? Well, I was doing this already for years.
[00:52:14] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So So whilst you're having a successful business, on the side of doing your successful business and successful life, you start hope helping homeless people how? Soup kitchens. Yeah. Soup kitchens, going to the streets, taking them off,
[00:52:26] Artur Pawlowski:
getting them apartments, hiring them into my company. My first homeless person that they took off the streets, I hired him. I rented him a place to live. I even sent him to Europe. He has never seen his grandchildren ever. He was an alcoholic all his life. And then, have them to get out. You gotta remember at that time, I stopped drinking so I had a powerful story
[00:52:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
of you don't need that stuff. Of recovery. Do you think that was part of your recovery? Do you think helping these people was part of helping yourself?
[00:52:59] Artur Pawlowski:
Maybe.
[00:53:00] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
You can look it that way. Because only people who go into recovery, to maintain recovery
[00:53:05] Artur Pawlowski:
they they have to help, are they saying? Yeah. I was I quit cold turkey. So I didn't go through withdrawal. I didn't have to. I prayed and God completely healed me. And right now I have friends that drink alcohol. It means nothing to me. It was just I don't have any oh, I'm scared. I'm around people that are drinking. Not not a nothing. 0. I don't even have thoughts about this. But since 1999, I started to help people. I would take them to dinners. I would organize dinners in the church. I will pay for everything and, you know, just help in that kind of a way. Every week we would go to the streets, we would buy, you know, 100 pizzas and just give it to the people and then cheer them up. I would bring a pickup truck, put speakers on top, play some Christian songs, you know, give a message of hope, tell them, hey, I was once with you and now I'm free and you can be free as well. You know, just positive messages. And, in 2005 I started to do this full time. And as long as we were a small ministry, no one really cared. So you had a church at this time. You're running your own church?
We had our own church. I was a pastor already, part time Okay. Until 2005. 2005, I became a full time, clergy. Okay. And so, when we were a small mission if you will, a small soup kitchen, police was there downtown but they would say hi, he was super friendly, no issues with, Bylo services. No one really cared until we became very, very successful. Of course, I was very naive at that time. I didn't understand. So when, 2005 comes, I'm already I have 250 volunteers at this moment, 7 locations. We're really saving lives. We're we're doing impact in the city of Calgary, and I started to do ministries, in other countries and other cities as well. Started about 40 minutes like this. And 2005 police shows up at our soup kitchen in hell.
It was in hell. It was in a ghetto, American ghetto where on our right was 50 prostitutes with pimps and on our left were 50 drug dealers. People were shooting each other, knives, mortars, rapes Which which is this? Calgary. In Calgary. Okay. Under the bridges, in downtown. It was it was horrible. And, I was told that police refuses to come here because they're afraid. So I said, well, that's perfect. That's where I'm going to, you know, build our church right in the middle of hell because the the darkest the place, the the light shines brighter. I mean it's, you know, so that's what that's what we did. I brought 4 big speakers, huge giant cross and barbecues.
And when you bring food, people start to show up, huge lineups, hundreds of people. And, we gave them a message, very simple message, a repetition of the same message. You don't have to die a slave. You don't have to die a prostitute. You don't have to die a drug dealer. You don't have to die an alcoholic. You don't have to die a hateful, bitter, unforgiving person. You can actually God can turn your life around. He did it for me. He did it for him. He did it for another guy, for, you know, for this lady. And that that was the simplicity of of our mission.
And we end up in the papers, all over the papers. Businessman leaves business and helps poor and, you know, street church because that's the ministry it's called street church grows on the streets and and and they covered very positively, believe it or not. Now now it's a shocker, right, because they hate me. But at that time I was a hero, literally, by the media but not by the politicians. So the politicians got involved. The mayor, Dave Bronconi, I was the mayor at that time. He he got involved and I was labeled as as this person that just disturbs the neighborhoods. Why? Because of the speakers, because of noise, because of, congregating hundreds of homeless. But again You're doing it all on the street? I was doing it on the streets in the places.
That's right. In the places that no other people would would even come. Okay. And, police with the bylaw services showed up and they said, well, there is actual law. Here is a shocker because I read the constitution, and I read the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada, which is part of the constitution that starts with the preamble. And the preamble states, whereas Canada acknowledges the supremacy of God and the rule of law. And it outlines all different things that are fundamentally guarantees, including food.
And they said to me that there is actually a law that was passed in the municipalities that giving free goods and services is illegal. Giving free goods, so your sandwich is illegal. You're breaking the law. And then you're praying for people. So I prayed for people in public, In public parks, well that's against the law as well because you're giving you free services. You're a pastor, therefore you're giving your services for free contrary to the law. It's like I could not believe it. Then they said to me, you also are distributing Bibles, right?
Yeah. It's a church, that's what we do. Well, that's also illegal because there is a law, giving away printed material is prohibited by law. So gospel tracts, Bibles, That's 2,005. So I had a choice. You know why I do what I do and I'm moved and I'm I'm I'm shake a ball, just just keep plowing? Because having faith, being able to resist tyranny, it doesn't start right away. It's a graduate process. If you didn't stand for something good 10, 20, you know, 15 years ago, you would never be able to stand for what happened 4 years ago. Never. It's like
[00:59:34] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
It's good to hear this because we're gonna get on track. It gives us an understanding of why you was the man that stood. So, why do you think they've done that in 2005? Why do you think they wanted to prevent you feeding the homeless, giving the message of the gospel, and turning people's lives around? Why would why would the mayor and the local council not want that? Because they hate competition.
[00:59:55] Artur Pawlowski:
There are a number of things. I told you, a few minutes ago that I was very naive if I thought that the shelters and the government helps the poor. Right? The 1,000,000,000 of dollars. You know how much money is designated to fight homelessness in the province of Alberta every single year? $230,000,000.
[01:00:13] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So they maintain them? So, you know, when I was, imprisoned,
[01:00:18] Artur Pawlowski:
twice a day twice a day, every inmate in a country gets free drugs, Fentanyl, cocaine. Every single day, twice a day, we were offered the most crazy, heaviest addicted,
[01:00:33] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
addictive drugs. People go into prison. I've seen I've been through the prison system in the UK. People come in clean and then they leave on prescription drugs. Yeah. Well, that's the purpose. Why? Because it's a revolving door. It guarantees
[01:00:45] Artur Pawlowski:
you clients. It's a business. Yes. We have people to understand. I've seen it. Yeah. So homelessness is is the same thing. Again, you gotta remember, Tommy, I didn't know that. No. She's not naive to it. I was very naive. I thought the government is good. I mean, I knew they were crooks, but for the personal reasons, but I could not I would not even imagine how evil those people are. They're monsters. They're not humans. They're monsters. And,
[01:01:13] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
so they come to you in 2005 and they tried to stop you doing what you're doing by quoting laws. What's your reaction to that? So,
[01:01:21] Artur Pawlowski:
I had two choices. Are you familiar with the man Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yes. So Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born with all the muscle and he became the superstar. Right? Like, he came out of the mother's womb and he was fit like this. And no. It took him his whole life. He was building, building, building. Actually, if you look at his story, he was a normal boy. No muscle. Nothing. He was quite a fragile young boy. But he had a dream, and he started working things out. With faith, with doing good, it is the same way. 1st, you gotta do the first step, and 2005 was that my first step.
I had a decision to make. Either I will bow before the wishes because they told me shut your shop, that's how they called the church, Or we will ticket you. And I'm thinking, okay. Ticket.
[01:02:12] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I'll fight them. I decided to fight them. So So when you took all your tickets, they first started in 2005? 2005. Okay. I thought all your tickets were due for COVID. It can't count.
[01:02:22] Artur Pawlowski:
2005. And I called the lawyers and, I called the church. I was still part of a big denomination. All of them said to me, you can't win. All of them. The lawyers, the church, a Cherokee, denomination, and they had 1,000,000, tens of 1,000,000 of dollars and they said no you cannot win with with the government, so quit. But they're telling me to stop saving lives. How can I do this as a Christian? Those people rely on me. I'm the only source of their food. I feed those people every single week. If I stop feeding them, they will die and it's on me, not on government because I'm scared.
And, they said, well, you can't win. So I'll never forget this moment because it's a moment that leads you to a bigger moment and that bigger moment leads you to today, why I do what I do. Well, first of all, I love God and and second, I I love the people, but also it was a process that made me the man I am today. And, I called the media. And remember, at that time, they liked me. So they showed up, all the media. I became international story in 2005. Russians were writing about this. Okay. It was all over all over the world. Koreans were writing about this story that this ex businessman is being hunted down for feeding the poor, for doing good in Canada out of all the nations.
And, I did a big splash. I hit it hard, as hard as I could. And so I'll never stop. They'll have to shoot me dead, but I'll keep feeding the poor.
[01:03:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Period. And I'll keep preaching the gospel. Where did you get the money to feed the poor?
[01:03:59] Artur Pawlowski:
Oh, well time as a child? At that time, I was still, you know, I was in a business. I just left business. So I had using your own money? I was using I used everything I had. You're using your own money? I was using my own money. And then, when people started to learn what I do, I mean, right now, it's a machinery, truckload every day. Every day, we're feeding people in the city of Calgary every day. Businessmen support you? Business people, grocery stores. Oh, wow. Organizations, private people who bring stuff. It's it's it's a huge endeavor right now that feeds thousands of people. But at that time, I was, I was using my own funds and I, did a press conference and they said I'll fight them until Jesus comes back. And so that enraged them, and they took me to court.
And you know who took me to court? Mayor, the politicians, and shelters.
[01:04:56] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
The other shelters. The other shelters. Who were the other shelters controlled by?
[01:05:00] Artur Pawlowski:
Drop in center and master seat. Who were they controlled by? Government. Government because you gotta remember how the you know, you have to keep it in mind how the system works. $230,000,000 every year designated to fight fight homelessness. Where is the money? If they are coming forming a lineup in our soup kitchen outdoors, why they're not being fed indoors? Why they're coming to me because everything is stolen from them? Literally, everything is being they've been raped. Homelessness is one big corrupt business. It's a huge cow.
It's a it's a milk cow. For every local council. So here is how the system works. For every homeless, there is an allocated amount of money being given by the government. More heads, it's like cattle. More cattle, more money. Less cattle, less money. And here comes Arturo Polowski with volunteers. I don't take any money from the government. I'm doing this for free, and I'm very successful. So I took 600 people off the streets. That's 600 people's less money for the council. Not only that. There is 600 people less for drugs.
[01:06:15] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Drugs is a minority system. $1,000,000,000
[01:06:18] Artur Pawlowski:
business. So every, homeless person on average, okay, on average uses a 100 to a $1,000 a day worth of drugs. That's why there are drug pushers as well. They they they they become addicts and then they become drug dealers because they need to support their addiction. Now multiply this by 600. It gives you 1,000,000 of dollars every single month that someone somewhere was losing because of my activity. So they activated the politicians. Politicians came cracking. Politicians activated the police. By law services, they came to scare me. But here is the problem. I am a Polish immigrant, and I used to be a martial art expert, of course, when I was young. I black belt, and I used to train police officers, martial art. I, I used to be a professional boxer, when I was young. Okay? I wouldn't fight right now, unless I have to.
So I'm a fighter in heart, in spirit, in mind. So I said I'll fight you. I have no means and I have no political friends anymore, but I'll fight you. And I did the press conference and unleashed absolute craziness. So I, got tickets after citation after citation after citation. So now we're in court, but I'm still doing what I'm, being told I cannot do. So the arrest came. You know, I became the 1st Canadian in the history of this country to be arrested for publicly reading Bible in a park without amplification. You know that? No, really? 2,006. 2,006 was domestic for preaching the gospel. For reading the Bible. For reading the gospel. Not even preaching. Just reading it to 6 of our parishioners in the public park, Tom King's Park. So I, 7 police officers came.
I was arrested. The officers told me, we don't want you to read the Bible here and it's a public park. I said, why not? Well, because we want you to go to another park. I said, well, if you wanna go to another park, you go to another park. I like this park. I'm staying here. They don't like that. So so they said if you don't go then you will be arrested. I said fine. That's okay. And this is gone in 2,006? 2,006. So I got arrested. And, you can still watch the videos on YouTube of my arrest. The officer forced me to walk backwards. They he he pushed me backwards. So I'm walking backwards. I didn't know why. Later in the court, proceedings, I learned that that's what you do to the most dangerous terrorists. You either bend them or you force them walk backwards. So that was my introduction to the justice system.
And, I faced the year of imprisonment for reading the bible in Canada. I won
[01:09:00] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
and that You would have faced so they took you through the courts where the possible outcome was a year of imprisonment. Yeah. You won the Seven criminal charges. Seven criminal charges. And you won the case? I won the case,
[01:09:10] Artur Pawlowski:
and it went viral around the world. 2006. It was crazy. And they're not gonna be happy about that? No. So now I have powerful enemies. Not only they couldn't shut me up, now I have become kind of a celebrity in a circus, you know, in certain circus, you know, churches and and other places. And also, I'm still fighting them in a court for feeding the poor and I'm not stopping. So they unleashed everything at their disposal, over a 100 court cases, a 3 over at that time, 320 citations, tickets, and I have been charged with everything you can imagine. I was charged with distribution of printed material. I was charged with giving free goods and services. Stunning. They said when I feed the poor, I am distracting motor vehicles. I was charged with a disturbing peace. I was charged with having illegal signage. Illegal signage was Jesus loves you.
That was the illegal sign sign. I said, why? Well, it's offensive now. In Canada, the name of Jesus is offensive, and we are considering this as, you know, disturbing peace and having an offensive signage. I was charged with placing material on the ground. I didn't even know
[01:10:26] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
there are laws like this. There are made up stuff. But there's when you say there's law, this is how they're implemented. Because would those laws be implemented now against Muslims giving out grants?
[01:10:37] Artur Pawlowski:
No. No. No. So at the same time So it's politicalization. Every other community so so here's what I said to them and during the trials as well. I said, I don't mind laws. I'm a law abiding citizen. I immigrated to this country because of law. I just was sick and tired of corruption. I didn't wanna live in a country that's corrupted, where a cop can come and force you to pay him. So I came to Canada because I believe this is a country of law and order. And freedom. So I am all for law, but I am for equal application of that law. So if you're telling me I cannot do this, but you're allowing others to do the same thing, I'm going to oppose you. I'll fight you. Because law should be equally applied to everyone or there is no law. It's lawlessness.
Now you're telling me that those people are better than me. There are elites that can't do this and I cannot because I'm peasant, I'm a slave. That's unacceptable in any democratic society. So I reasoned with them, but they had an agenda and I had a target already. 2005 to 2015, 10 years, I faced over a 100 court cases. I was in a criminal court. I was in a QB Queen's Bench. I was in Provincial. I was even in the courts of appeal. I faced attorney general. I faced multiple mayors, multiple premiers. I faced multiple counselors. Sometimes I fought 7 lawyers, in a trial. My longest trial, 3 weeks for feeding the poor.
I have faced so many trials and meetings, pre trial conferences and appearances in the court, that I spend literally more time in court I know. Than in my home or in the church as a pastor. And they drained me completely from my resources. 1,000,000 of dollars, my properties I had to sell. And, they ruined me financially to a point that the city of Calgary sent me a letter that they're going to foreclosure my home because I could not afford to pay taxes. So that's what they do. The process is the punishment. They take you to the ringer hoping that you quit. But you see, again, I am a Polish immigrant, And I don't think there are more stubborn people on earth than the Polish immigrants that live through this hell.
And I have vowed that I will fight them until Jesus comes back. So 2015, I win. How? Shoot story. Court of Appeal. The judges sided with me. They said I have right to feed the poor, and I have right win all the historic cases, you've you've won against that, all of them? Hundred cases. Okay. So you've lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, got it? No. No. No. No. I I I pretty much won all of them Okay. Except few. Okay. And, those few that I lost in the lower
[01:13:40] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
court, I won in the court of appeal. Explain to people though who are watching this, because what's it like spending that much time in court? What's the drain like? What's it you're rather than concentrating on feeding the homeless and saving lives, what are you concentrating on?
[01:13:55] Artur Pawlowski:
Surviving. That's what it is. It's just you're constantly thinking, because the arrest is with you everywhere, everywhere you go. I was hunted down, literally hunted down. I had officers following me. I had undercover following me. I had reporters following me. I was, constantly on edge, never knowing. So imagine this, Tommy, you have a 5 year old kid, the one that survived, 5 years later and he looks through the window, I go to feed the poor. I'm not going to sell drugs or, you know, buy guns and sell them or, you know, do a robbery or steal something. I go to feed the poor to save lives and he turns to my wife, to his mom and says, Will daddy be arrested again?
You know, you live with this constant
[01:14:48] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And your family can't. And your family.
[01:14:51] Artur Pawlowski:
You never know if you're going out, if you're coming. You gotta remember also I was dealing with gangsters, I was dealing with drug traffickers. They put price on my house multiple times. I was physically attacked. Guns, pistols,
[01:15:06] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
knives. Who was physically attacking you onboard?
[01:15:09] Artur Pawlowski:
So when the message of freedom, the message of Christianity is a message of freedom. So when a man like me comes, and not just me because I had, you know, others with me And the drug dealers aren't happy because you're taking people away from the drugs. That's right. So they put a price on my head. The drug dealers want those people hooked on the drugs. You're getting them off the drugs. They're not happy. They're making money off the I'm interfering with the business. So I'm not only interfering with the government's business. I'm also interfering with the with with the bad people's business. So I'm interfering with, prostitution because, of course, my message is very clear. Stop doing what you're doing because you will die. They die of AIDS or you will die, you know, they will use you and will throw you like a filthy rag.
Stop using alcohol, because when you're drunk, you do stupid things. Don't don't use drugs because then you completely lose control. And we were very successful, very successful. So they put a price on my head. And I'll never forget this one time. So I have I'm under the bridge, about 7 of them come, knives out already, and they told me they told me that I'm going to be assassinated. And so they come and do what they wanted to do. And they move, and I'm thinking, oh my god. How I'm going to get out of this this mess? I mean, it's a serious situation, 7 people with with weapons. And, suddenly police shows up, and they block the entire street. They bring German shepherds.
They command them to bark so it's like huge noise. Police everywhere, everywhere. And I'm right there with the barbecue feeding the poor and I was on the back of my pickup truck preaching to the people. Police comes and they say, if you don't stop feeding the people you're going to be arrested. And they say, I cannot do that. I look, there is a huge lineup of people that are hungry. And you're telling me I cannot yeah, that's illegal. You cannot do this. It's against the law. And I said, well, then you'll have to arrest me because I'm not stopping. So I was arrested. That's what saved me actually. In a weird way, I was arrested in front of those gangsters in a very spectacular way. I was arrested. My brother David was arrested because he was filming the police. He didn't do anything. He was just filming there And, and, ex drug dealer, ex drug dealer that used to be part of the gang, I got him off the streets and he stood between me and the police and said, you're not arresting my pastor unless you go through me. So they went through him very quickly, slammed him on the hoodie of the police car and, and we got arrested, taken to police, charged, criminally charged.
[01:17:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And, This is unthinkable. A
[01:17:59] Artur Pawlowski:
couple hours later we were released on bond and, Sunday the gangsters came. So that was Friday. We were arrested on Friday. Sunday the gang came and the leader of the gang came and I said, oh my God, he's going to kill me now. And he comes to me and gives me a bear hug. And he's like, what's going on here? And he says, we watched what the cops did to you. If they hate you so much, you must be a good guy. I could not believe it. Because they respect? I got their respect, like I could not believe it that actually what they did, this evil that was done to us actually saved my life. So, fast forward, the officer in charge of this sting operation became my friend. They're like the high up cop. Become your friend? Because he was coming to our church for 8 months to listen to me. So for 8 months, undercover, he comes to the church to listen to me preach.
[01:18:54] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Working. So he's there as a police officer. He's there. They send him as an undercover police officer to infiltrate your church to find something against you.
[01:19:01] Artur Pawlowski:
And and, yeah, hate or whatever. And 8 months later, he comes to me, and he says, if I knew who you really are, how amazing you are, I'll never ever arrest you. And there's more to the story. He became our undercover cop within the police, and he was telling us everything for years, what the cops were planning against me. Every everything that because he was so high up, he had access to the meetings and the memos and everything. He would be sending them to our lawyers and, or tell me, and we would go to the lawyers. And, I survived for years thanks to his
[01:19:40] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
intel. Intel. But this whole this you're not a gangster. You're not a drug lord. You're a pastor
[01:19:48] Artur Pawlowski:
feeding vulnerable people and trying to save vulnerable people. Yeah. But I'm interfering. Now I know this. Of course, at that time, I didn't. I'm interfering with 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars business. This is just a business that the government that that the government allocates to $230,000,000 every year to fight homelessness. Now add drug trafficking business. Add that to to this whole thing. We're talking about lots of lots of money that, suddenly those people got scared. So fast forward, I win a spectacular case.
It was all over the news. I'll never forget the reporters because at that time they were working for the government and they were spinning. I'm the troublemaker. I'm the lawbreaker. I'm the bad guy. I was the hero. Now I'm a 0 because I dared to oppose them. I'm this troublemaker. And I will never forget the face of the reporters when the judge scolded the government, set me free with a huge total victory, their faces turned white, like, literally white. They everyone expected I'm going to lose. There's no way I can win, but I won. So from 2015 to 2020, they leave me be. And then 2020 comes, and they are the same people there.
[01:21:03] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Tell me what happens in 2020 because I had no idea of this history. I saw you. I had no idea of the history before this. So tell me what happens. Tell tell me what happens in 2020. So 2020 shows up and, of course,
[01:21:15] Artur Pawlowski:
I'm I'm a happy camper. The government left me a lawn. I got all my permits. The police You carried on feeding the homeless all this time? All this time and actually, since 2015,
[01:21:25] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I won all kinds of awards. You won awards for recognition around the world, I believe. Around awards,
[01:21:31] Artur Pawlowski:
from Israel, from political, places, from Caribbean, United States, Poland. I was invited to meet cool people, presidential policies, you you you name it. I started orphanage, orphanages in Kenya. Kenya. Churches. I started, all kinds of medical clinics. I'm working now everywhere because you see the money that was designated to hire lawyers and fight was freed. I was able to concentrate on the mission which is giving people hope and saving as many lives as possible. And, so I was able to do the I started about 40 ministries. I traveled around the world and, I did my best to inspire people to help others because that's what the whole thing is all about. You've got a sandwich, share it with a hungry person. It's not that difficult. You don't have to have a church, you don't have to have a facility, just be a human. And if you see a little need, just just address it. And if you can do it on a bigger scale, then do it on a bigger scale. But it starts with 1 sandwich.
With 1 sandwich with a hurting person. And just tell him, you know what? Your tomorrow will be better than today. That's the message. Your yesterday was horrible. Your today is unbearable. But you know what? Tomorrow can be good. It's up to you. And I can help you if you want it. It's because in the end of the day, it's their choice. If they wanna stay in hell, that's up to them. No one is forcing them. They can come to our lineups. They don't have to. It's open. Anyone can come in, anyone can go. I never forced anyone to do anything. You're welcome to come, grab your foot and go, but they stay because they wanna hear the message.
They wanna hear the music. They wanna see, this positivity. They they wanna be touched by by the messages of life because that's Christianity is a message of life. God was dead. He's alive, and he give you that life as well. He can set you free. So 20 for 20 shows up, the 5 years was amazing because I was able to do a lot of cool stuff. I was able to 100% focus on saving lives, and and I saved lots of people, lots of people in different continents, different cities, different countries. And then 2020 shows up, I I knew there is something going on. I've heard there's some kind of a virus going on, but, you know, when you work with the homeless people, when you work with prostitutes, with drug addicts, with with drug dealers, most of them have diseases. Most of them are messed up, and they have things. So you first, you're conscious.
After so many after 25 years, you don't even think about it anymore. You just you just do your job. Like like a soldier, like like a nurse, like a doctor. Not those nurses and doctors that we've seen in the past 4 years, but before that. Yeah. You know, they used to be the good people. So 2020 shows up and, I got this letter from the from the mayor. I have to stop feeding the poor and I already explained why I didn't because I send a reply to them and they said, you people do not make any sense. I am working with the homeless people, my all adult life right now. And I'm telling you, if you don't feed them and if I will not feed them, they're going to hurt other people.
Because not because they're bad because they need food. Because they have to get the necessity supply. How are you going to provide them food if you're going to shut down shelters and soup kitchens? No reply. So I kept feeding them. And guess what happened? I became the 1st Canadian to get a cover ticket. Because you see, they saw me doing this, and they said, now we can destroy him. We couldn't succeed in the past 15 years. This is an opportunity. And they 12 officers showed up. Winter, minus 25 or minus 30. Very cold. At your soup kitchen. They turned showed up at your soup kitchen. They came and, health inspector, Bylo Services, Calgary Police.
Big force. And they announced that I have to stop doing what I'm doing, and if I don't, I'll be arrested, and I will get 1,000,000 of dollars worth of tickets. And here's the first one.
[01:25:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
How much was the first one? 1200. 1200 tickets. So they turned up, here's a fine because you're not supposed to be having this Right. Gathering. They call it a gathering. Yes.
[01:26:06] Artur Pawlowski:
And I said okay, fine, I'll fight you. I fought you before, I'll fight you again. And, well, you will be arrested. Okay. Not the first time and not the last time, I'm sure of it. That's what I said. So they don't like they don't know how to deal with that kind of an attitude because most people are scared. But here is a Polish guy and, has been arrested so many times, ticket have you ever Tommy, have you ever met a guy with more tickets than I? I've never met a man with 360 citations, 120 court cases. I'm an expert in law right now. I probably would pass the bar myself after spending years in court.
[01:26:47] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
For nothing. For nothing though. For feeding the poor. For feeding the poor. And giving people message of hope. Message of love. So I kept feeding the people. Didn't stop.
[01:26:56] Artur Pawlowski:
So from the beginning of 2020 to December of 2020, I had police officers at every church service. Intimidation, harassment, tickets. So you have Threats of harassment. Even at indoor church services? Because this is No. Outdoor. Outdoor. So I pastor 2 churches. Yep. I pastor one that is called Street Church, streetchurch.ca. If people are interested, you can see it what we do. Oh, we feed people. We feed people. And then I also pastor a church in a building. That's the get out video.
[01:27:26] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
The steps This is the one with that went worldwide. Yeah? Yeah.
[01:27:31] Artur Pawlowski:
From 2020 to December of 2020, they were only harassing me every single week, multiple times a week on the streets, street change. Intimidation, harassment, threats, threats of tickets, many I got and then arrests. But I I I stood my ground, kept feeding people. The police were showing up, sometimes 8, sometimes 20, 30 police. We were surrounded by cops. Sometimes more police than the than the people we're helping because they got scared. And then December of 2020 showed up and I don't know I don't think in your country was as crazy as here, but the Canadian government, all levels, municipal, provincial, and federal came on television and we just had Halloween.
And the same people said kids have fun, be safe, enjoy your life, right? Few weeks later we have Christmas and all of those people, politicians went on television and they said we're cancelling Christmas. You're not allowed to have Christmas, no dinners, you cannot even have your brother in your home for coffee, no family coming together, we're canceling Christmas. So I went on television too and I invited people to the biggest Christmas celebration in the country. And I said, Triple A Steaks, gifts, and we're going to have just great time. And thousands. Calgary, December.
Christmas celebration. And a week before that, we had a family dinner. So I took a picture. I invited my whole family and friends, took a picture of huge table and I sent it to them and I said come and get me. Because the chief of police said that, they're going to send police officers to monitor driveways. If they will see extra cars, then they will break the doors and arrest people that had, you know, coffee with their family. It was completely canceled. Also, this crazy insane government declared that holy communion is also outlawed. You're not allowed to break bread. Holy communion outlawed. Church on Sundays. Also they said you're not allowed to sing.
Singing was outlawed in an entire nation. Canada? In Canada you were not allowed by law to sing. So what I did, you know, that's how I fight. I, had Lord's supper every single time we met and was live, you know, it was a live streaming. So you live streamed to a church event? Everything where you live streamed. And, we had a holy communion every single time. And also I told the
[01:30:11] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
If every church done this, they would have buckled straight away. If everyone done what you're doing Oh, they would be over. It would have been over. If everyone just stood up like It would be over within a week. Within a week. This is the message. This is the message. Within a week. And I was not hiding. I was live streaming.
[01:30:26] Artur Pawlowski:
I was sending, I was talking, I was telling them I'm not bowing. You wanna come and get me, come and get me but I'm not bowing. I want you to know I'm not going to play this Mappet show. It's a Mappet show, you're bloody liars and I'm not going to buy it. You're 6 feet apart is a big fat lie. I mean, I know biology. I I sit I organized
[01:30:48] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
not wearing a mask event, did you? I never wore that studio. Did you organize an event not where where you told people not to? Of course. Yeah. Of course I said,
[01:30:58] Artur Pawlowski:
you see Tommy I have children. I have 3 children and, there was situations The first one was Nathaniel? Then Gabriel, second son and I have a daughter Maya. Two boys. Yeah. And, having children, here's what I learned. I've learned that sometimes the most horrible thing happens. They do unthinkable. They poop and Pay more poop? They poop. It's a it's it's an attack. It's it's a biological attack. I'm telling you, I was scared to death when they did it. And most of the time, my wife was taking care of this horrible situation. But sometimes they would go shopping, she would go somewhere. And so first I would call.
And you notice right away, it's a disaster in a land. So I'll call my wife, where are you honey? And if she said, you know, 20 minutes, half hour, I would turn to the kids like we shall live. We'll survive this. If she said couple hours, I said that's the word doomed. We're not going to survive this attack. I have to deal with you, right? And, so you know what happens? You have to change and you gotta wash the kit and everything else. But, of course, the Pampers is not stopping you from smelling this biological attack on your life.
So I told the people, listen, you have to be brainless or have no brain whatsoever at all. If you believe that this is going to stop you from getting this thing in or out, it's 1,000 times smaller than the bacteria.
[01:32:31] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
This thing cannot stop it. Yeah, the mask and they told us it couldn't stop it at the start, so it can't stop it, then it can stop it. So,
[01:32:38] Artur Pawlowski:
I went everywhere without that stupid thing. In our church no one was wearing this. All our events was no one was wearing it except Antifa police and you know crazy people. But our Christians didn't. So what I did, I invited people to the biggest Christmas celebration in the land. Thousands of people showed up, media showed up And, I broke my record. 120 police officers, 52 police cars, anti terrorist SWAT team, chief of police, and a special, unit on bicycles. So they all came as well. And I was told that I did the untinkable. You you gotta remember, during that time, singing was prohibited, and I hired carollers, Christmas carollers, who were singing loud through the speakers for a whole downtown to hear.
And I end up with 15 COVID tickets for that single day. Took me 2 years to fight them, but I won. I won every single COVID ticket. Every single one. So that enraged them. Because now they've unleashed everything they had at their disposal, including anti terrorist, chief of police, tickets, intimidation, harassment, threats following me, intimidating my family, my children, taking pictures of my wife, my children with the telescopic cameras. They've unleashed everything. So what they decided to do, they decided to destroy my church because that's where my backing comes from. Right? That's where the resources are coming from. And they started to show up at our church building because I don't charge a penny from the homeless. We show up. We don't ask for anything. There's no collection plate. There's nothing.
We just do it. We feed them. We help them, and then we have a building. And in the building, you have collection plate, and you you ask people to to chip in to support you. And, it's live streaming. And so they blocked the driveway to our church. That's the beginning of 2021. So they took a whole year harassing, intimidation, and and trying to scare us. It didn't work, so they started to show up in our church building. They blocked the driveway, preventing the parishioners from coming to the church. So I went over there and I unleashed Artur Polozki on them. I was super hard, and I filmed it. Is this the footage is this the footage that went viral worldwide? No. No. No. No. It it went viral, but not in millions. It was it was big but, not that big.
And, it took me about hour to fend off those hyenas. Finally, they go. They come back a few weeks later and they were taking pictures of everyone that comes in and goes out, children, women.
[01:35:19] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So Let's have it right here. People are just coming to church on a Sunday here Yeah. For their communion. And that's all this is about.
[01:35:27] Artur Pawlowski:
And I was at that time, you gotta also remember we became very, very popular. We had thousands of people at our or rallies. Super popular. I was everywhere. I was doing shows and telling people to stand against this and I was reminding them about solidarity, how we did it in Poland. And I said we can copy paste and do the same thing here because we're dealing with the same psychopathic entities. And then April of 2021 shows up. And, in the morning, I turn to my left and I see masked people. You see, you gotta remember, I was puzzled, I froze for a second because in our church no one wears a mask, no one. And even if someone would come visiting with a mask, within the second song the mask would be gone because no one wears a mask in our church.
So they would take it off as well. And I see all of those people muzzled up like monkeys. And so I went to the pulpit, I had my phone at the pulpit so I took it and I hit play and I recorded it. And that was April. It was a Passover celebration, Saturday. And, because we have Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday church services indoor, and we have 3 times outdoor services as well. Plus, we do festivals and marches and other things. A baptisms every week in a river as well. So, I went to them, and during that time, I was preparing a message from the story of Exodus, let my people go, the Moses story, the Red Sea, you know, the plagues and so I that's what I had in my heart. I was just like, get out.
That's what I said, just get out. So this is the police invading your church? The police.
[01:37:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
This is the police. In 2021?
[01:37:20] Artur Pawlowski:
Yes. Police and health inspectors all masked up. They've come into your church building. Bylo services and some undercover people, which I do not know who they were. The health inspector was the top, like the top boss. She is a supervisor of all the Nazis. But you know people, have to understand why I call them those names. What did you call them? Tell us tell tell the people what you said to them. Yeah. I told them I, I told them first please get out. I was very nice but firm. Please get out. And they would not move. So I was a little bit more aggressive and I was walking towards them. Get out. It took me over 30 times to tell them get out. And eventually I told them that they are Nazis because they're acting just like Nazis, Gestapo of today.
And I told I called them communists. Why? Because they're unleashed. They already unleashed the same tactics that I saw when I was growing up. Fear, intimidation, propaganda. I'm telling you, I grew up under propaganda, but I have never seen a bigger propaganda than Canadian news right now. Because at least the communists were not pretending you don't exist. Those people right now pretend we don't exist. I just came from a big huge conference in Victoria and, there was some opposition. They only covered the opposition and they ignored everybody
[01:38:45] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
else. It's only one side. They're only given one side to the public. Just like COVID, they're only given one medical advice, not the counter.
[01:38:53] Artur Pawlowski:
Because they're only interested in lie. So I told them to get out. Eventually they leave and I told them don't you dare ever come back without the warrant. Because you have you gotta remember, they broke the law. They are the lawbreakers. Everything they did to us was against the law, against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, against the Criminal Code of Canada, especially section 176 which is 12 that that says they're not allowed to do this. You know you cannot harass, intimidate, or prevent a clergy while he's on his way to perform his duty, in the middle of performing his duty, or coming from.
You can go to prison for 2 years if you do that. And they did all of this. They broke every law in the land. Criminal court, charter rights, Constitution, you name it. They broke it but they were not happy. So what I did, it was just a few minutes. That was before I was ready to preach and what I did, I uploaded it to some of my channel channels. And I tell you, Tommy, I did not even think about this video.
[01:39:59] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I did my sermon. I was happy that they left and they didn't come back. I put my phone on and I was like By the end of your this is what I saw. And I think people generally, you hit a moment when the public were waiting. I was waiting. Everyone was waiting and watching, thinking, how are they doing this? And I think your fire and what you and how you've reacted to them probably was the feeling that everyone was waiting for.
[01:40:21] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. I asked a friend of mine, my member of parliament, why this video I've done some amazing things, I think. You know, I've saved lots of lives and I've done big things like 26,000 people events and stuff like this. And, why this? I mean, I was not super proud of me yelling at the coppers, you know. Like, that's not what I do. I don't wanna do this. Actually, Tommy, many times, I said to the authorities, please leave me alone, and you will never hear about Artopoulosky because I don't care. I only care about saving lives. That's my mission. That's my life's mission.
Leave me alone. You can think I'm crazy that I have wasted my life on the homeless, but that's what I wanna do. I'll feed them and I'll give them messages of hope and you will never hear about me. No. They would not. They would not. So when Can they help your message go global? They, they, the the media started to contact me. I mean, it's like the top, the biggest media outlets on earth started to bombard me to do interviews. So for the next month, outside of doing what I always do, feeding people, preaching in churches and stuff like this, I gave about 10 to 15 shows or interviews a day to the biggest outlets. Millions of views. It turned out that that weekend, this was the number one video played on earth. Over a 1000000000 views within the 1st weekend. It was the most popular video on earth at that time. Me
[01:42:02] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
with my funny accent. Now mate, if you think you've pissed him off from 2,005 to 2015, you've really done it now.
[01:42:10] Artur Pawlowski:
You're actually absolutely right because I called my friend It's international humiliation. And and I said I said to him, so what do you think? And he says You're a trouble If I was them no. If I was them, I'll just leave you alone. I'll pretend you don't even live. Just forget about him. They can't do that. But, I don't think they're going to do that. But if they will arrest you, this will be their biggest mistake. So I had lawyers of course. All this time I had lawyers on standby because I got tickets. And thanks to Ezra, Ezra Levant from Rebel News. Ezra
[01:42:44] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
just helped me out again. Go on, tell me what Ezra done. Yeah so
[01:42:48] Artur Pawlowski:
remember the first ticket I got for feeding the poor at the soup kitchen? I published this or I send it to someone. I don't know if I send it to Ezra or not but he got a hold of it. And he says, well, would you be willing to be part of raising funds for the legal fees for this experiment. At that time, it was an experiment of, fighting those funds. Fight the fines. Fight the fines. I was their first client. Okay. I was the first man They won 3,000. Because I was the first Canadian to be charged with this. And Ezra says, we'll do it. Let's do it together. So, we did. We ploughed together, and we raised 1,000,000, 1,000,000 upon 1,000,000 of dollars. And I'm super proud of this because so many Canadians were helped because So they won all of them pretty much. Right. 3,000 people who would find
[01:43:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
for going to parks, find for seeing their family, and then because the average person can't find these fines. No. The average if if the average person's left alone, you're you're screwed. You can't. You can't. Because you're gonna lose your property. You're you're in you're in trouble, but then when someone come to give us, that's how you 2 combined,
[01:43:53] Artur Pawlowski:
raise money, and then get people to So Ezra had the platform. I had the popularity. I was known everywhere. And the I mean at that point I was all over the place. I did tours and I was more popular than the Premier. When I was showing up it was a lot more people than the Premier would master to to bring. So I've done 10,000 people, rallies, con conferences, and, so it worked really really well, but of course that enraged the government. So 3 weeks later, guess what happened? What happened? The SWAT team shows up, anti terrorists. They know I have lawyers. The only thing they need to do is send a memo to my lawyer. And then you could hand yourself in, but then it's about sending a message out to the rest of the world. For people for for you have to understand how simple the system is, because I have been accused just like you that we're doing this for popularity stunt, you know, it's theater. No no no. If there is any theater, it's from the other side not from us. Because I'm telling you being arrested, at least being Arturo Polozki being arrested is no fun. They they they did so much damage to me that to this day I'm facing with the physical problems because what they did to me And your children have to watch you? Yeah. Your children have to see their father being dragged, but Yes. The weapon 3 weeks later. So, the only thing they needed to do is contact our lawyers, which they had already. They knew because they're they were dealing with tickets already with the citations, and they they could say, there's a warrant for your client's arrest. Can you arrange for your client to turn himself in? That's it. Simple. Right? I do my media outside of the police station, you know, my whatever, and then I walk peacefully to the police. No one sees anything. No one knows anything. I go in and I deal with my trouble, whatever this is. But they have chosen to bring anti terrorists to the church. Anti terrorists to the church, to the peaceful church assembly with zero violence history. We've never been charged with assault.
0. Nothing. The only charges I have is with me feeding the poor. All associated with me being a pastor. No criminality, no violence, no risk. No, 0. Anyway, SWAT team shows up, I'm already preaching, packed house, standing room only in a church, and someone yells, I'm already at the pulpit, I'm already preaching. And someone yells, Gestapo is here. So I'm thinking, okay, that's it. This is my day. I'm going down. And then I look at the man and this I was so proud of my Canadian brothers and it was just I've never seen something like this before. The you know what they would do? The the men in the floor front rows, they would take their keys, their wallets, their phones, and they will hang it hand hand those things to their wives.
And they said, if they come to arrest you, we all men will all go with you. 100 of men. That's power. That's how you beat those devils. That's what they don't like. Standing together as one. If one goes down we all go down. 1 is elevated, we all are elevated. That's the solidarity message. And, but they didn't. They realized they wanted to. But they realized it's just too many people, too many people. Hundreds of people inside, hundreds outside. This is going to be gun show. So what they did, they dropped something on the ground. They would not even serve me. They would not even serve me. Nothing. They dropped it on the ground and they left.
What did they drop on the ground? So they dropped later on because I was not served. According then to them, I was served but I wasn't served. You have to legally be served. They have to hand it to you. They didn't. They just dropped it on the ground because they got, you know, scared that there's too many people. It's going to be a gong show. It turned out it was a general Rube the crook, I call him, a court order that was done ex parte in a close court meeting without our knowledge
[01:47:52] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
We had a close court meeting about you and this was them serving you the paper for it. Hence, they didn't notify our lawyers
[01:48:00] Artur Pawlowski:
and they subjected me to this crooked judge's court order. His name is John Rook, the crook. I have given him the The big name. The the nickname. And, it turned out that if I will not stop, and again my crime is church, if I will not stop doing this horrible crime, I'll be arrested.
[01:48:19] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And I will be found in contempt of court, which is 6 months Then it's prison. Prison. Because they've gave you the court order. Okay. So I'm going through this now. So because they've managed to get the court order already, then if you breach the court order That's right. Then you're in contempt. That's right. So then they've got that, so then they can imprison you. So now now they've it's gone from civil to criminal. That's right. That's right. So, I'm facing this now. So so now,
[01:48:42] Artur Pawlowski:
I was not served. They said I was. And, people went home and I went, to a friend's car because I was told that the cops are everywhere. So I wanted you see, here is the thing. I wanted to avoid my arrest. I was not looking to be arrested. Being arrested and being Artopouloski is no fun because they always they always manhandle me. They always torture me. They always do bad things to me. So I was not looking forward to be arrested. And, I went into my friend's car, my brother David as well, and we took a different route to avoid, just in case. Okay. If they're waiting for me, but no, they catch up. So it's the footage of you on the motorway? And I was, in the middle of the highway stopped by anti terrorists. Anti terrorists came, I don't know how many, a lot.
[01:49:31] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And I was, This is this this the images of this look like it's a terror raid swap move. Swat swap teams. Swat teams. You're a priest.
[01:49:40] Artur Pawlowski:
You're a pastor. So they came to the window. They said, there's a warrant for for my arrest. I will be arrested. They turned to my brother David. My brother David was innocent. He didn't do anything. He's just my brother. And they turned to him, you're under arrest as well. So they arrested me and my brother David in the middle of the highway on my knees and with my with my hands like this. And they carried me because I said, if you're playing this game, how to become a Nazi, then do the Nazi style. I'm not going to help you. You have to carry me. So they did, but for that I paid dearly. They they handcuffed me in such a way
[01:50:17] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
there was brutal pain. So now they need to bend you a little way. They don't know what they're doing. They they it was a,
[01:50:23] Artur Pawlowski:
and again, I I used to be a professional boxer. I'm accustomed to pain. I was a martial art expert. Pain, it was every day. But the amount of pain that they inflicted me, I've never faced in my entire life. So what they did, they pushed me around, manhandled me, and they put me in a little paddy wagon upside down. So I was taken for a ride all around downtown in places upside down. So they placed me, my head on the ground Where are your hands? Behind your back? So my hands my hands like this. Handcuffed? Handcuffed, twisted.
[01:51:03] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I had Even just just so people understand, even if you got your handcuffs here and they put you in a wagon, it's because because of how they've twisted your hands. Yeah. It's all. Oh, it's it's it's unbelievable. And I'm And they can just one thing that they know if they bend if they bend your arm that way, it's agony. I'm over a 100,
[01:51:18] Artur Pawlowski:
kilos. Right? You know, when I was younger, I was not as big, but now a 100 kilos on my wrist, it caused over a 1 month of scars. Yeah. Yeah. Pain and blood all around it. So what they did, they pushed me to the panty wagon head down but my feet were sticking out. And, you know, I'm not a small guy. So they pushed, they pushed, but they couldn't fit my feet because I was upside down. And they said, one to another, we're going to charge you with assault. We will say that he kicked us and stuff like this. So we'll keep piling up and I say, oh, god. How am I going to get out of this if they will lie that our poor soldiers making accusations. Yeah. There's so many of them and they always say, yeah, he was kicking us. So I have them to put so I travel to the police, first to downtown for coffee. I mean not coffee for me, coffee for the officers. They took me for a ride. They stopped downtown.
I could see it because it was the high rises and, and they were multiple officers coming to the window. To have a look. Just have a look and laugh and and I'm I'm I'm I'm like this on the ground, my feet sticking to the to the roof. So that's how I was taken to the police custody and then, and then to the Remond. 3 days, 2 nights on concrete. Lights so bright that even if you And they leave the lights on? They leave the lights on at night? Yeah. On purpose. So 3 days 2 nights, I I could not sleep. I was taken to with my brother David shackled. Have you ever been subjected to the penguin march? So penguin march is Well, hands hands and feet both Yeah. And you've got shackled feet and you walk small steps like a penguin. So we're taken to the judge. The judge starts proceedings. His name is, Adam Germain.
So you've got John the Rooke, John Rooke the crook, and then you've got Adam Germain. Adam Germain starts the proceedings and says we're in the middle of pandemic and he recites CNN, CBC. And I turned to my brother David, we're doomed. The the this is a show trial. For for some of you This is a show because all of these actions are to send a message to them. It's a show trial. But for you, if you don't know what show trial means, it's where the accused is guilty before even tried, that the government decided that you're already finished, you're done. It doesn't matter what is your defense, it means nothing. You're already guilty according to the government. Judge or a jury?
It doesn't matter. We were before the judge, but it doesn't matter. It's all decided. Okay. So I was right. I went to the States. I, spent 4 months in the United States touring around telling Americans what's coming their way. So you spend 3 days in Vermont, what happens when you get to court? So the judge released us on bail. Okay. And, we faced, all those nonsense, charges. The charges were I've never even heard that you can be charged with something like this, but inciting people to come to church, officiating in illegal gathering, and participating in illegal gathering. The wording pay I always tell the people, pay attention to the words because those are identical words that the Nazis were using and the Soviets were using. Illegal gathering, gangsters, lawbreakers, troublemakers, bandits.
Right? During the Nazi era and during the Soviet era, people like me were called bandits. We were the bandits. We were the bad guys. No. No. No. We were patriots fighting for our land. No. No. We were the law breakers. We were the bandits. So identical, modus operandi, if you will. Fast forward, we were found guilty on all charges, and the judge gave us something that has never been done in the history of this country. He gave us a compelled court order. What's that mean? What that means is that every time we were to speak to another human being, either electronically in a church or between another human being, we were commanded by court to recite
[01:55:27] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
government approved script about COVID 19. So that any time you spoke publicly against the mandated vaccines or against the masks or against any of that, you had to give the government's give the government's narrative first? 1st. Yeah. So there was no other narrative because you were legally bound to give their propaganda I was bound upon my brother. Or given any evidence that count as it. Yeah. So,
[01:55:54] Artur Pawlowski:
if I didn't do it, I would be sent to prison for, disobeying a court order. Right? So here's what we did to my brother David. There was a press conference. Rebel was there and other media outlets, and we just heard, the sentencing. Right? A lots of money. We had to give up a lots of money.
[01:56:13] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Do you mind if I ask how much you spent legally fighting this?
[01:56:17] Artur Pawlowski:
1,000,000.
[01:56:19] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
1,000,000 of dollars already. The process is the punishment? Yeah. 1,000,000 of dollars. Understand this. I've lost properties. I've lost houses. I used to be very successful. I'm going from country to country here. And from anyone who stands up, this lawfare Yep. This lawfare, which is what it is, is the same everywhere. But I want you to know I don't regret a thing.
[01:56:36] Artur Pawlowski:
I did what my God was telling me to do and I did it for you and I did it for my children because, if we as men, if we as fathers and mothers will not stand up for the children, they have no future. So I don't regret a penny. Okay. In my heart, I'm completely clean. I know that if God wants me to have something, he's going to give it to me or he's going to touch, somebody's heart, and, they will send it to me. But I did what I know I was supposed to do. If I was to do it again, I'll do it gladly. I would not even think twice. So, here's what we did. That one?
Court, media, recordings, the whole 9 yards. I grabbed the microphone and I said, judge, I want you to know I'll never ever obey your order. Yes. I will never obey your order because I'm not a liar, and I'm a pastor, and I'm not going to lie to my people. So send your sheriffs. I'm here if you want, and you can arrest me. But I want you to know I'll never obey you or not once. My brother David grabs a mic and he says, Judge, I hope you're listening to me. You can take your order. You can shove it where the sun doesn't shine. And I turned to him. He's like, you just finished us off. And Oh, look at the problem. I did it the fastest way. You did it the Polish way. I think we're now doomed. But they didn't come. So it was all intimidation?
[01:57:59] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I never,
[01:58:01] Artur Pawlowski:
never obeyed
[01:58:02] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
the order. The order. And they never implemented the punishment.
[01:58:05] Artur Pawlowski:
Never. So it was all show trial to try and scare people because you stood up to it and challenged it. Yeah. Actually, the first thing I did right at the court, I breached the court order right away. And right there, I mean, they could snatch me, They could imprison you straight away if you vote in court. Yeah. But I said I can't. The world's watching at this point. As a as a pastor, I couldn't. Yes. He's like, I mean, am I a professional liar? Do I work for CNN or CBC right now? No. I do my best to tell people the truth, and this crook wants me to lie to the people. I cannot do that. At this time,
[01:58:41] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
how many people are watching this? Is is this blown up? Is this Oh, millions. The world are watching? Millions. So you've how do you do you think, like, they weaponized the the courts against you? Did you weaponize the public against them? Oh, every single time, every single ticket, every single court, every appearance,
[01:58:56] Artur Pawlowski:
I already went, and I streamed it. And I talked to the people. Public opinions with you? Fox News was millions upon millions of views. I was everywhere. War Room, Bannon, Sky, Australia. Everywhere that they have big massive outlets I was speaking So the public opinion was on your side? Our side was on my side. Yeah, yeah. If it comes to a general public, they were scared. They were completely scared. Now there's more people on our side than Now they're seeing the light. 2 years or 3 years ago. People aren't sure. Yeah. They still many believe that this is real and I'm a grandma's killer and all that stuff. So fast forward, I was charged multiple times with my brother David for attending a rally for, showing up. At that time, we had thousands upon thousands of people coming every week. We had 10, 15,000 people on the streets of Calgary during the protests.
And, I have become Canada's pastor. They called me Canada's pastor. I was traveling everywhere. I was all over Canada. I was travel I was in Ottawa, Canada. They did 5,000 people sermon. I was in Saskatchewan. I was in Manitoba. I was British Columbia. I was back and forth. Calgary, you know, cities around Edmonton. I did a huge rally in the legislature, which end up on the news for 3 months. 3 months they were talking about it. So I'm like getting out there in their face openly resisting, like openly. No muzzles, no social distancing, no, a I think every country needed a pass to offer. Everything they were telling us to do, I did the opposite. If they told me not to sing, I hired more singers. When they told me no all songs was the solution to it. Yeah. That's all the solution was. You cannot, have a dinner. I invited a whole city for a dinner. Like, literally, I invited a whole city to come, free food, barbecue for everyone. Oh, so many people showed up.
So that that was my way of dealing with this lie. I call it the head on collision. You know, when I see the devil telling me something, I I I I fight a head on collision. Bring it on. You wanna fight me? Fight me. Fight me. You know, I'm here. I'm not running. I'm not hiding. If you Google my name, my home address pops up. I'm not hiding. I have the same cell phone since business. 20 years, the same cell phone. I'm not hiding. If you wanna get me I remember the Muslims called me once and they said they're going to chop my head off. Before? You know, just because I'm a Christian and I'm vocal and they hated it. And they said you're going to die today and we're going to chop your head off and they said, today? Yeah. Okay. So I gave them my home address and I said I'll see you in 15 minutes.
And they never showed up. That's how I fight. You will not intimidate me, because I'll face you and then see what happens. Who knows what happened? Because, you know, they think that, I'm just a a regular Christian, a regular pastor, but I'm a fighter. I was trained to fight and, I'm not going to allow any weasel or hyena or wolf to intimidate me. I'm a lion. You know, when I was young, I'll just show it to you. So here is a here is a picture when I was young. You know now, of course, I lost a lot of hair and you know what I mean? It's like, come on.
I'm not going to be intimidated by, by, you know, like, I had a lot more hair at that time. But just lions do not bow before the hyenas. We eat them for breakfast. That's why I was, you know, I have been eating very well. But going back to the story, we were getting momentum. They were losing grip on the narration. They were losing grip on the story, on on everything, and we were really getting momentum. We were scaring them. Truck convoy comes.
[02:03:01] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So all of this is before the truck convoy. Yeah. Do you think This is like just Do you think this built pie? Do you think this played the part into into
[02:03:10] Artur Pawlowski:
Oh, 100%. The truck convoy I don't I don't wanna sound arrogant, but I'm telling you It wouldn't have happened without this. I think that all of this This inspired people. It was a lost award. This story was everything is marvelous for months. Okay. Not days, for For months, they were talking about. If you Google my name, it's like thousands upon thousands. Canada was the Canada broke COVID. Canada broke the vaccine mandates.
[02:03:35] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
The Canadian public Yeah. With which went on to the truck has gone for it. Okay. So bring us up to where we're at now. You've lost the court case. They've gave you the court order. You've defied it and defied it and defied it. And I appealed it. And appealed it. So I just And I won. You won the appeal. Okay. I won the whole appeal, and they had to give me all my money back. Okay. And when when was when was this? That was about the year after. So 2021,
[02:03:58] Artur Pawlowski:
we lose the the court. Yep. And then, 2022, we win the appeal a 100%. Vaccine mandate come in from Trudeau? Yeah. They came 2021. Okay. This was unleashed in 2021, and then more and more people started to rise up. And at that time, I was called Canada's pastor or freedom pastor. Sometimes they refer to me. And again I'm doing shows every single day, multiple times a day, big outlets. So this is just getting momentum. More and more people are joining. You know I didn't hear about some of those people, that now are very well known. They were not activated, after a few years. We were already fighting a few years when I started to see others. I wanted to tell you something because sometimes when people watch those crazy videos of me yelling at the police, and I've done it many times because they attacked me, attacked my family, attacked our church. They have attacked the people that I was called to protect.
And that's why I did what I did. I told them to get out. I called them names because I was doing everything in my power to shake them as well. Here is a crazy part of the story. In the city of Calgary, we get about 1,300,000 people and over 2,000 police officers. Just over 2,000 police officers. Now imagine, Tony, tell me if just over 2,000 people would say no. That's it. That's it. What would the mayor do? Excuse me. Those Not the best 3,000 people. Those people are a bunch of cowards. Those politicians are cowards. I know them. I know them by name. I used to hang around with them with prime minister many times, I was always on other barbecues. I know those people, they're cowards. Without the help of the police they are would not do anything. So just 2,000 people. If those 2,000 people would simply say I'm not following illegal orders. I'm not going to hurt other people. That's insane. I'm not doing it. It would be over. That's it. And this is how this is how simply we could have all stood up against the whole city. That's certainly it would be all over. We would win and so many lives, countless lives would be would be protected. So, going back to to the story, at that time we have a momentum. Canadians are rising up and the more the Trudeau's government, the globalist government is pushing, the more people are rising up. The more they are arresting us, us, the more they are making as a spectacle.
In other words they were making an example out of us. God was making an example out of them. The more they were doing crazy things, the more our, our views, our, you know, story was getting out, our validation for what we were doing was being explained in in this weird way of by what the government was doing against us, which because it didn't make any sense. It did not make any sense that you could go to a restaurant and you can eat, but you have to walk muzzled up. And when you are sitting, then you can take it off, and that's perfectly okay. It just doesn't make any sense. The virus doesn't work that way. It just it's not just flowing here. It goes It was just about controlling and letting you know we're controlling. All of it. It was just Going to a swimming pool in Tenerife where you had to wear a mask Yeah. To walk across the swimming pool. Which which is insane, especially if you know, how this whole thing works is that moisture is creating bacteria That's what you used, don't you? And fungus and all other crazy things that are really dangerous to the human body. So they're arresting us left and right. I got arrested with my brother David in the middle of the highway. Arrested coming from a rally with my wife by RCMP. RCMP is like American FBI. I was arrested by With your wife, did you just say? You was arrested with your wife? My wife was there with me. We attended the rally. I was arrested and charged with criminal harassment.
They charged me criminal harassment. And, I attended a rally, peaceful peaceful rally, with my brother David and my son, Nathaniel. And, on the way home, got arrested in the middle of the highway. Again, me and my brother David charged with criminal insanity. Again, participating in legal gathering. Mischief? Not mischief yet. I was charged with criminal harassment. I was charged with, participating in legal gathering and not having, you know, distance and not wearing a muzzle. I went to United States for 4 months, called my lawyers from Montana, and I said, is there any warrants for my arrest? So just psychologically, I would like to know what I'm, heading into. No. Nothing. It's clean, everything. So I boarded a plane In the middle of the in the middle of, of coming here to Calgary, they activated 2 warrants.
Have you ever Tommy, have you ever seen anyone being arrested on the tarmac? Of an aeroplane coming off the plane? I've never seen anyone being arrested on the tarmac except Hollywood productions, movies. Never. So when you landed here from America, they were waiting on the tarmac of the plane? So they were waiting. I stepped out of the plane. Right in the middle of the tarmac, I got arrested on my knees, taken to the customs where the Calgary police, the finest, were waiting like rats. You were arrested by the immigration, the same people who arrested me, don't they? Yeah. Customs. They arrested me and, paraded me through the whole tarmac, the plane here. See, they don't understand. See, when they do this, because they they made that public. Yeah? They they think they're sending a message to everyone, but they're not. I think that has the adverse effect. Yeah. But they don't get that because what they wanna do, they wanna make an example out of you to scare others, but they don't understand how It's a fine line between making example and making a martyr. That's right. So they were turning me into a martyr, international martyr. And, I was taken to the customs.
They were going through my staff. I I I'll never forget is they look at me as I was being searched, and they said, well, look everywhere. It's like they thought I was smuggling something. And I told them, I'm not smuggling Donald Trump Trump. He's too big. He would not fit into the luggage. Well, I wish I could, but you know. I wish I'd bring him to sort out Justin Trudeau. So, I was taken to to,
[02:10:28] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
jail and, charged. Charged with what? Criminally.
[02:10:32] Artur Pawlowski:
Criminally charged? This time, charged criminally with not wearing a muzzle. I was charged criminally for, inciting people to come to an illegal gathering. I was charged criminally for officiating an illegal gathering and participating in illegal gathering and baptizing my daughter. So my daughter at that time, she was 13, and I baptized her in a public river, in a public park outside. They charged me criminally for having a church service, illegal gathering. So this was piling up many over 4
[02:11:07] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
years. Was that you provoking
[02:11:09] Artur Pawlowski:
them? No. I was just living my life. Good. I was just so listen,
[02:11:14] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I would not allow them What I mean is, I don't mean that in a negative way because I think it's great. What I mean is No. No. I I I understand what you mean. You're pushing their buttons. Or you don't know, you're testing the boundaries to prove to people we should be free to do this. I I simply
[02:11:30] Artur Pawlowski:
was saying to everyone, I'm not going to bow Yeah. Before this insanity. This is insane. If this was a real crisis, then I would do everything. I would do my part. But when you're telling me that in the name of health I cannot save lives then you're just fat big liar. And I'm gonna test you. And I'm not going to obey this because obviously you're lying to me. If this was real, Tommy, if this was a real emergency, then I would be highly respected by the government and helped because I was doing what the government is supposed to be doing. I was feeding people, I was helping lives, I was making sure that they are fed properly so they would not get sick. I should get a medal from them, not the ticket.
So fast forward, I get in and out of jail, in and out of a court. This whole machinery is just really really moving forward. They're piling up charges more and more and more, hoping that one day I will not get on get out on bail. And then the truck convoy comes. At this moment, I'm really very well known. They called me and they said, pastor, would you become our pastor for the truck? For the truck For the truck convoy. And I mean, I'm telling you they didn't have to ask. It was a great honor for me to be part of this movement. And, they came to Calgary. And, I did officiate, church service in the evening and activated my whole church community.
We fed them, we brought truckloads of food, and we loaded loaded them into Ottawa. They went with stuff and food and water and everything else we could master.
[02:13:12] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
My wife with the with the ladies cooked amazing chili for them. And so we did a church service in the evening and I did another one in the morning. So people don't understand. So the truck convoy, they they put in a mandate that truckers are gonna have to be vaccinated as well. And then there was a massive truck convoy from across the whole of Canada joining together heading to the Ottawa. Yes. And and they come in their 1,000. So they want you to be their pastor. This is happening at the height of COVID, at the height of restrictions. This is the resistance. And this become the resistance January of 2022. January 2022. And this becomes symbolic to the world. This was this was stand up and the Canadians are standing up. The whole world is watching Canada. So here's what I saw, because in my trials, this was popping up all the time. The crown prosecutors
[02:13:57] Artur Pawlowski:
like Stephen Johnston, and I'm naming those devils. Good. Those pathological liars. Stephen Johnston is a liar, and he's in charge of prosecuting all the prisoners, the political prisoners, to this day. Yesterday, I was with, 2 boys from Coutts that are still subjected. 2 years in prison already from that era because they dared to stand against the mandate. Stephen Johnston and all those crooked judges and,
[02:14:24] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
so These people are heroes that stood up. These people who you may not know their names, you may not know their stories, but they've lost their houses, they've lost their Tanya O'Lanig and Chris Carbot
[02:14:35] Artur Pawlowski:
are still imprisoned, by Trudeau's government and conservative government here, that keeps them in prison. Pedophiles, bank robbers, drug dealers, human traffickers are let out on bail. Violent criminals are the next day on bail. Those men have no criminal record. They have no, violent, prior convictions or even allegations. Nothing. 0. And they were denied Dale multiple times because they were charged with, conspiracy to commit murder. They were charged with conspiracy to murder police officers at the truck convoy, which is insanity. Insane. But going back to the story, I did church services.
They started to roll to Ottawa. I came home and I said to my wife, I'm, I'm flying there. I'm going to Ottawa. And you know, thank God for wise women. We need them. My wife always laughs and says, you know why more men are born? Because you just kill each other. You're just stupid. You go into places that you shouldn't go and you do stuff that you shouldn't be doing, and god knows that. And she said to me, if all men will go to Ottawa, who's going to stay here and organize stuff here? The resistance here. You've got 15,000 people regularly coming to the protest. Who's going to be here with them, for them? Who's going to lead them?
If you go and everyone else goes to Ottawa, what is going to happen here? Here we got the momentum, here it's huge and it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And you know what, I really wanted to go to Ottawa but she made sense and I stayed and I organized rallies and participated in big gatherings and then the Coutts happened. Coutts is a border between Montana and Alberta. It's a point of entry. And some farmers with few truckers decided to block it. To go over there and send a message to to draw to to those government and conservative government here that they're going the American border? Yes. Okay. That they're not going to put up with, with the mandates anymore because the mandates were demanding an experimental injection of something that has not been tested
[02:16:50] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
into their body. It's not being unreasonable. No one's being unreasonable.
[02:16:55] Artur Pawlowski:
Apart from the government. So I was okay to drive the truck for 2 years under COVID. Everything was fine. And I remember they were viewed as heroes, the truckers were heroes. And suddenly I'm the villain. Nothing changed. I'm alone in my track. Alone. But now I need to be vaccinated. And now I need to put this in. Why? Why? Right? So those were valid questions. So they decided to to do a slow roll and eventually stop. And I received a phone call that, there is a lots of them, like, thousands of them, and they are really desperate because the police showed up with machine guns and are pointing machine guns at children playing hockey, street hockey. And it's like you could see the tensions. And so they called their pastor and they said, would you come and just cheer us up? Because they know I always bring music, I bring musicians, I bring food, you know speakers, and you know I'm not just preaching, I'm you know, I'm bringing the whole entourage of things. A beautiful atmosphere. And we're always joyful and we always sing happy songs and it's not like It's a real church service and we have Lord's supper and people really feel the energy, the power.
So I I said, sure, I'll come. I took my son, Nathaniel, took our worshipper, took speakers, brought food, and, went to Milk River. Milk River is about 15 kilometers from Cootes, and RCMP officers decided to block this whole street so we could not enter Cudz. So we did a church service in Milk River. It was great, thousands of people, We had a great time. Our worshiper was singing hymns. We did a national anthem. I did a sermon. RCMP was videotaping me, taking pictures. I don't care. I always, all my trials were my own evidence because I live stream everything. So most of the things that they were accusing me of, they took it from my YouTube channel, which later on government took it down and other places. So anyway, I did the church service in Milk Reaver, and I went straight to the RCMP officers, and I said, listen. I would really like to go to Kutz. Will you open the barricade?
And they said, like, okay. Sure. I was shocked. I'll tell you why I was shocked because I was already prepared. I had a helicopter waiting for me, and I had a big combine. I had a huge rig. I already had another, route to go to Kutz. I would enter there, this way or that way, but I was really surprised that the RCMP opened the barricade for us and I went to Coutts. Coutts is a little village and has one restaurant, Smugglers Inn it's called, and that's where all the trackers and farmers were gathering. So I entered there and we set up speakers. We did Lord's Supper. We did national anthem. We were singing hymns, and I delivered 90 minute sermon.
Ninety minute sermon. During that sermon, I told, the people to stand for god instead given rights. I told them to do it peacefully, no guns, no swords. I told them to do it for their children, for the future of their children. I told them what I saw under solidarity movement with Lake Walesa. I told them we have the power, they don't have enough police officers to stop millions of people. I mean the moment you decide it's over, it's over. Give me enough Canadians and I will give you liberty. Give me enough Albertans and I'll bring back the sanity. I mean, it's so easy if we are all coming together. Unified. That was the message. Oh, I didn't know that simple message is going to end up, for me in this crazy way.
Police was there. Undercover were there. Not a big deal. I have nothing to hide. Filmed the event, published it, and, called few of my politician friends, good guys, and I told them, well, can you help me to facilitate a sit down with the provincial government and the truckers to validate the protest? Because you need to force them kind of in a peaceful way And let's solve the problem. Yeah. So they can listen. But they wanted to crush them instead. No. They They don't wanna listen. They don't wanna They don't wanna come and validate the message. So what they did, when I announced I'm coming back to the to the border with politicians this time, a friendly politicians, I step out of my house and Tommy, I'm telling you I've never seen something like this before. There were so many police cars stopped, blocked the entire street.
Police officers are running towards me yelling, Artur Polaskar, under arrest. That was RCMP. That's like American FBI. That was undercover Calgary police, uniformed Calgary police, detectives, special anti terrorism unit, special SWAT team with cameras. There are whole 9 yards. Every force in the land except soldiers at your home? Came to my house to arrest me. And, I was charged with inciting mischief which has 10 years, criminal offence. And I was charged with terrorism. So they charged me with terrorism but they did it in a, clever way. They charged me with this new law that they invented which is interfering with the crucial infrastructure under the Defence Act, which is like blowing up pipes or, you know, doing crazy things like this. Well, I have never blocked the street.
I came to Coutts, the roads were open. I left the Coutts, the roads were open. Never once I told them to block anything. I was there in a capacity of a clergy, and I did my job. I cheered them up, and I told them that god is on our side. Stand strong. Don't quit. Don't give up. Have hope. And stay stick together. Hold the line. And, interrogated for hours, and then the shocker came, stripped naked, taken to prison, solitary confinement.
[02:22:52] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
You was from this? And, no water.
[02:22:55] Artur Pawlowski:
And the next day, they placed me in metal cages. I didn't even know the Canadian prison system has metal cages. The metal cage is no bigger than a guy sitting like this. Literally, like like this. You're sitting in a metal cage and you can't you can't move. I'm a pastor. My cry was opening my big mouth and saying, phew. What is really? To the people, and I end up in a metal cage like an animal in Canadian prison. In Canada. And just do people understand this? And if this was not good enough, I was, I was forced to go to the washroom, watched by officers. Is it to humiliate you? Yeah. I've not Then I was stripped naked again. I've been there. Did you have to squat? Then, squat over. Then of course then, they took me to the x-ray machine and, multiple times and then back into the metal cage. So that was going on for hours and hours and hours. I was kept there suffocating like, you know, you were passing out because you're in a very small place, extremely hot. You're sweating, no air, and you're passing out, in and out of consciousness.
So eventually they put me in another cell and I spent in isolation 40 40 some days. Every night, they would take me from my cell to a concrete cell. No water, no washroom, no bed. Just a concrete floor? Just concrete. It was hard. It was hard. 1st pew is not bad, but after a while, your body aches because of the heart. Even just laying. I know Yeah. And you know when you lay on this side, it's like you've bruised it from laying harder. And it's like you can't lay on that side, and you can't lay on that side. You can't lay on your side. You walk a lot in a circle. You can't lay down. And, there were so many stories. I was, the the good thing that happened is I was really treated like a hero by inmates. But we have testimonies already of 5 different inmates that testify to our lawyers that the guards were giving them incentives to murder me in prison. Yeah. They're encouraging. So our price is put on your head in the prison system. They'll allow them. It gets rid of the problem for the for the system. So you're lucky. Yeah. You're lucky. So, but You're lucky that you probably earned their respect previous to landing in there. So the the they would come to my cell and they would I hope you didn't have jihadists in there. And and they said, they they were Muslims. I'll tell you a cool story with Muslims.
And they, they said, aren't you that pastor that gets arrested all the time? I said, yeah, guilty as charged. Well, you're a hero, man. Good that you stood against those, you know, and they call them names and all that stuff. So immediately when the word got around that I am in solitary confinement because I'm this pastor that it's on the news all the time cause they have newspapers, right? They I was in a you know my face was all over the news all the time. So I was literally, I became a prison hero. When I was being escorted from my solitary cell to a concrete cell, they were banging on the doors every single day. Free pastor art.
Free pastor art. And you got a whole prison system yelling and screaming at the guards. Free pastor art. So that freaked them out because the inmates said, watch your back. Anything happens to this man, watch your back. That's good. They signed they signed a petition to the director of prison, and they said, if you don't release this man from solitary, you're going to have a problem. Next day, I was released from isolation. So I How long did you do on isolation? 40
[02:26:41] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
tell people what it's like, just so people understand. What's it like to be solitary confined for 40 days? So how was like coming in there? What's it like how how long are the days? When does day become night? When does night become day?
[02:26:52] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. So you you don't know because there's no watch. There is the time is I can describe it this way. On this side of prison, time is your worst enemy, and inside, time is your worst enemy. So here, because we're always trying to catch up, there's never enough. Right? We do so many things and the time goes so fast. Over there, it drags its feet. You there's nothing to do. I was locked in a small little room and, they would not give me my reading glasses,
[02:27:27] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
and they confiscated my bibles. Was it cold? Warm? Hot or cold?
[02:27:32] Artur Pawlowski:
I was extremely hot in Calgary. Just bad. So hot that we were half naked. Like You're just sitting in your pants all the time. It's just sweating. You're sitting and you're sweating because it's so hot. We were told, for all this time that air conditioning is broken. But then I got another treatment, but I'll get into it. So finally when they released me from isolation and I was able to have interactions
[02:27:59] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
with other inmates. And this just to confirm quickly, they locked you up at the start of the convoy. This is when the convoy is going on. So they want you out of the way. So here is the funny part. They want you gone? I was
[02:28:10] Artur Pawlowski:
the first person the first to be arrested for truck highway. Okay. So that so you, as a pivotal figure, they needed GONE. I was the first one to be arrested before Tamara, before Chris Carr. They got rid of all the top people straight away. Everybody else would they started Taurus a week after. Okay. They got rid of me first. Okay. And, I could not understand this at first, what was going on, but then it clicked. I was giving people hope to keep going. They needed to get that out and because of the international attention. So when I was driving to Coutts, while I was driving, I was on 50 radio stations That's why they let you go there.
[02:28:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Do you think this is why they let you into Coutts? Probably too. Because they had someone to get you on. That's probably open the gates. Probably,
[02:28:57] Artur Pawlowski:
probably this was already planned. And again, I don't regret. What I saw what I saw over there was absolutely beautiful people loving each other, hugging. There was no color. Color didn't matter. Background didn't matter. It didn't matter where you came from. We were Canadians. People are bringing their cats, their dogs, their horses, feeding each other, praying with each other, crying with each other, singing. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen on Canadian soil. I am so super proud that I was able to taste at least a little bit of that feeling, that being proud, of being a Canadian. I think for the first time in my life, I look at the Canadian flag and I said, I love you.
You're awesome. Canada, you're amazing. As long as you have people like this, this land will not perish. It was absolutely amazing thing. So, I'm I'm in prison and, finally, the they released me from isolation. I was able to do church services for the for the inmates. I think I broke some kind of a record because I had every single inmate at my church service. The church is usually empty in prison. In, including, Muslims and, atheists, drug dealers, men for hire. You're dangerous. You're dangerous. Everyone was there. And, it was so funny because God gave me this authority that I was scolding them when they were not behaving. I would come to them and they're hardcore criminals, gangsters, tattoos, you know, stuff. And I was like stop this immediately. I mean I'm not going to allow something like this happening. And they're like and they look at me into my eyes and they could not figure it out.
But but but they did They respected it? They respected what what I did and they respected that I'm not afraid of them. You know, it's like they met someone that that stands his ground no matter what. And they loved me for it. So after a few days, I had all of them coming to myself for prayers, for words of encouragement, and I had Muslims coming to me. And here's a funny part of the story. He said, we are being tormented in ourselves. We had demons, and we cannot sleep. We're tormented. Can you pastor? Can you come and pray and cast all those demons out? And of course, if you have been in prison, in Canadian prison, you're not allowed to go to another image cell.
But I mean, I said, what are you going to do to me? Lock me in solitary or prison? I was already in prison. So I went, I prayed in their cells, I casted out the demons, and the next day they would come and said, wow, this is the first time that we had a great night sleep. Thank you. Those Muslims were actually giving me their time on the phone and if you know what I'm talking about. You get so unlimited time span in the We had 2 phones working for the entire unit. Phone is a commodity that is precious. People are killed over it. So I walked out of prison, cell because I was locked.
The moment I walked out, they would call me and said, here's your phone. I mean like I was I I felt sometimes like I'm some kind of a El Chapo, Al Capone in prison, like this high ranking
[02:32:16] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
gangster. It shows a level of respect that people They had because there's people who respect someone who stands up. Even if they don't agree with them on
[02:32:22] Artur Pawlowski:
politically or They had huge respect for me. I was able to lead some of them to the Lord. And how long did you I was able to try with them and How long did you spend in prison? 50 days. But this is not the end of the story. I was so successful with those inmates. I had every one of them on my tables, bible studies, talks, church services, that one day they come the guards came and they said, you have to follow us. I said, what for? There's someone waiting for you. And so I had no choice as you know how it is. I followed the guy and they took me to admission and there were sheriffs waiting for me. I was shackled right on the spot, kidnapped by the sheriffs. I was kidnapped by the Canadian government and taken to Maxpot. You know what the Maxpot is? Maxpot is a prison for the most dangerous terrorist community. Security prison because because of the influence you was having in the jail. Yeah. They couldn't have you having that influence and they had to separate you from I had, I had such a huge influence on them that Positive influence. Entire prison was banging on the doors when I was being transferred, when I walked everywhere. It was like, boom, like you see in the Hollywood movies. Also, my son and my wife and my brother, David, were staging the longest ongoing protest outside of the prison in the history of Canadian prison outside. So I was preaching on the inside. They were preaching on outside, the whole church, sometimes hundreds of people, big rake, big pickup trucks. And, and then they know those semi trucks would come honking.
My wife would rent 4 huge massive speakers and would blast the speakers on the entire prison. And the prisoners were jumping, dancing, singing. We turned this whole thing into something that they have never seen before. A massive positive from a negative. And a 100 You're gonna be in there isolated, feeling terrible. You're in there living living. So we're helping helping it. She wouldn't have. Sometimes when I was released, for I I was allowed half hour to 1 hour out and, of isolation. So I would grab the phone and sometimes the timing was so perfect that I would call my wife. She would put me on speakerphone. You talked to the people outside the jail. I was I was preaching, telling what is happening to me, to the guards. There was 100 of them. Police, sheriffs, Calgary police, guards. They unleashed everyone. Everyone was there. They were so scared. Also, they did Jericho marches around the prison which has never been done before. Children, coming, families. It was incredible.
So every time they were doing this, I would be taken to ice isolation on concrete, so I would not see it. Twice during this time, the crown prosecutor came and offered me a plea deal. If you plead guilty to just the slow the the little just the you can go home, you can go home. Just the lowest charge, you can go home. Because then they justify
[02:35:22] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
you accepted that you've done wrong. They wanted front page out of Polarcin. This is why you said plead
[02:35:29] Artur Pawlowski:
plead guilty. That's what you say. Guilty. That's I said absolutely not. You know? There's no way you're going to force me to I I I not only that, I did interviews, media interviews from jail. So they shut off my, phone. So the Muslims came to my aid, and they were giving me their forms. Because there's an ORCA number, which is the inmate's number. You use that number with your voice activation and takes you to a different form. We have messed up their entire system. They never knew which inmate is going to give me a form so they started to beat them up. They were actually beating the inmates. If you give him a form, you're going to get a treatment. And they never stopped.
Never stopped giving me their forms. It was incredible to see this, the courage, courage of those prisoners. Because it's no fun, you know, being in the system. It's like the beast. So they kidnapped me because I had great influence. The church was on the outside. I was on the inside. I was the most popular inmate in the country probably. So they took me to Edmonton, which is 100 of kilometers from Calgary, and they locked me up by myself in the entire Max spot prison. Unit. There was no one. Hundreds of empty cells. Just you. And just me. It was matrix.
I've never seen something like this Freezing cold. It's minus 28 outside, and I'm sitting there. This you I don't know how to describe this unit. It was iron and a bulletproof helixi glass or or some kind of a glass. And you're sitting there and you're shivering nonstop. It's so crazy cold. So you're not allowed to talk to a guard. I was I received a letter that I am the most dangerous inmate in the country, and I am not allowed to have any interaction with another human being. No interactions. So I only could communicate, could not see a face. They didn't wanted me to see any human face. So I was only allowed to communicate with, guards through the intercom.
And they were, of course, watching me on camera, like, 24 hours. And I said, I'm freezing here. I'm I'm shout shivering. I cannot sleep. I'm freezing. I'm going to get sick. And, he laughed. And he said, at least you have fresh air. I was allowed out of the freezing isolation only for 30 minutes. Shower, a phone call. So I called my wife and I said my goodbyes. I think this was the first time in my life I realized I'm not coming out. I think they're going to murder me here. And they're going to say I had a heart attack or I froze to death or whatever. They're going to find something. I think it has been decided that I'm not coming out. So my wife my wife is brave and she's a real fighter.
Remember, she fought for me for 7 years, and she survived. That tells you everything. She unleashed everything she could and the lawyers sent a letter to the judge and they said everything I was saying. What is happening to me? And that freaked them out because the prison system is privately owned institution. It's a business. It's a privately owned business. So that scared them. And you won't believe what happened next. There is you that's why I wrote a book. It's called the lions lions do not bow. I wrote a book about this because it's so insane and so complex. So many things happened that I had to sit down and put this whole thing in the form of a book. Next day, I was taken by multiple, multiple, officers and they paraded me through the prison in Edmonton and they took me to a psych ward.
When they opened the doors
[02:39:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Psychotic as in healthcare?
[02:39:20] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. Medical work? No. No. No. No. Not medical. The psychology. It's a mental institution. Mental party. So I saw people jumping up and down, walking in circles. I asked officers, where am I? And they start to laugh. They said, you're in the wild, wild west. I said, what that even means? You're in a psych ward. So here is what happened. They broke every load that there is. They are not allowed to put a sane person without the evaluation of the insane people. They they care for the insane people. They cannot put the same person with insane people because the same person can take advantage of the insane people. That's the reasoning. So I spent a week in a psych ward against the law illegally.
And, it was quite funny because, in a mental institution, you have the biggest amount of time outside of yourself. So that was a good thing. The good thing was there were 2 TVs. In other places, no TV, for a few minutes only. Here we can watch entire movies. So I was super happy, I said okay, at least the time will pass, I'll watch some movies, you know, somehow survive this. Well I didn't know that, in psych ward you don't watch movies, you watch only 10 minutes. So 10 minutes and someone would jump out from the because they were laying on the ground and switch a channel. And then you watch another movie.
10 minutes, someone would jump and change. So I was there for a week and I watched maybe about 60, 70 portions of movie. Not even one full one. And it was crazy. They locked me with a schizophrenic, that chopped his brother with a macheti. They put you in a pussy. And they put him put me there so he would jump from time to time.
[02:41:23] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
He had some visions. Yeah. He's psychotic so he might think you're gonna kill him or you're a danger to him. So what do you mean?
[02:41:30] Artur Pawlowski:
During that time I was considered the most dangerous inmate in a country so I would not, I was not allowed to have a pen. Because you see, I was writing a book on the pieces of paper and my lawyer was smuggling the papers. So they decided they will turn me into the most dangerous inmate so I will not be able to write because they refused to give me a paper and a pen. So I was writing on the pieces of, of of prison papers. And, I walked to this cell with this guy and I see he has about 10 pens. And I said to him, you know, according to them, I'm so dangerous I'm not allowed to have a pen. And he jumps and says, oh, you can have mine.
So he gave me his old pen and I kept writing and I wrote a book in jail and thanks to our brave lawyers, she smuggled it out of the prison, and it's going to be published in August, beginning of September. It's already with the American publisher. Okay. And I'm telling you, I'm naming everything and everyone. During that time, I was released eventually on bail, and I spent a year and a half on house arrest. I was on house arrest for a year and a half. During that time, I had the Canadian government coming to me about 10 times with bribery. Trying to get you I had the offer of $2,000,000, before that even. I had offer of a guaranteed seat at the legislature.
So this conservative government that we have right now in the province of Alberta offered me if I keep my mouth shut, they offered me a guaranteed seat at the legislature. I could be a politician if I keep my mouth shut because I was You joined the club? Then I was offered a government job, $250,000, a year. I was offered all kinds of things, all kinds of things. When finally about that was going on for about 8 months to 10 months before the trial. When they finally realized that I'm not for sale because I told them I'm not for sale. I have been already bought by the precious blood of Jesus. I'm not for sale. I'm not gonna sell Jesus, my family for silver coins.
We've know we know how the store ends. Judas hanged himself. I'm not doing this. When they realize I'm not taking the offers, then I'm familiar with political fixers term. So political fixers are the people, very powerful, huge names that are doing deals behind closed doors for politicians. So they will see you, they will meet you, and they will bring you offers or they will bring you So the politicians stay clean? Yeah. So there is no connection. Yeah. You have to stop the politician but they will You cannot record them. Yeah. At that time I had a, premier herself called me and we had a conversation and stuff like this. I was offered all kinds of different things. Well, finally, when they realized I'm not for sale, they started to unleash the political fixers.
And the fixer's job is to fix the problem the politicians have. And they have all kinds of tools at their disposals. If you're not taking bribes, they will have compromised material. You know, you with kids or if you're married with some girl, you know, whatever. Whatever works for you. It's a honeypot, they call it. Or maybe you took something you shouldn't, whatever. But the problem they had, they have nothing on me because I don't do stuff like this. So there is no dirt. They couldn't find anything. They froze my bank account and they looked into my finances. So they tried everything, they couldn't find anything.
So then they went into blackmail and the coercion and threats. You know, during that time they lit my house on fire. In the middle of the night, they lit our house on fire. Your family's your family's house was set fire to you? 3 kids in the house sleeping. I'm sleeping. My wife comes and says, I think you're going to be arrested. I I what's happening, I come out of the bedroom 12 at night or 1 in the morning. There's so much police lights everywhere. So I look out and say, but this is weird. Normally, when they come to arrest me, because they came to my house multiple times, many times. Detectives, police, bylaws services, everyone was in my house.
Before I said I'm going to be arrested. But I said they're firefighters. Usually when they come to arrest me, there's no need for ambulances or firefighters. So I went out to check it out. And then I saw smoke, you know, fire. I saw I think the neighbor's house is on fire. And then I went back, it was our house. Someone lit our house on fire in the middle of the night. They vandalized our church for 3 months. They lit our church on fire. They burned our children's bus to the ground. They unscrew tires in my pickup truck. And, a friend of mine at that day was driving and the tire just took off on its own. I was physically attacked. I was threatened multiple times. I had Antifa coming to our home,
[02:46:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
dressed in black. Why would Antifa be against you? Antifa works for the government. I just I know this. Yeah. Just so people understand, Antifa The brown shirts. I'll take for the brown shirts of the government. You come out against any of the government narratives, and they are ordered to attack. Yeah. Finally attack, finally scare, intimidate.
[02:46:55] Artur Pawlowski:
You know, some people will say this is, Farfetched. This is crazy. Well, if you are in Alberta, you will know that, NDP was a government before this one, And, the head security for the premier, Rachel Notley, is the head of Antifa in Alberta. You can't make this stuff up. But they're not even hiding this whole thing. It's it's craziness. So it was a scary time, Tommy. It was scary time. I had to look.
[02:47:24] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
It's a scary time because what have you actually done? See, I You stood up. I just said I just said no. Yeah. Yeah. And that and they have to send what happens next then, Arthur?
[02:47:35] Artur Pawlowski:
And, the fixers were scary, I have to admit. Because, if I tell you their names, your hair would stand up. They're the most powerful, vicious people in the country. They are the ones that work for, Putin, making deals with between Putin and Canadian government with oil and, what is Putin owns, the oil company, the Gazprom. The biggest gas company in the country. Right. So they they were the ones that are making deals between, Prime Minister's office and Putin. I mean those are bad people. They are very wealthy, vicious, very powerful people. So I started to receive phone calls from from them. And they said, listen, there has been a meeting between From Russians?
[02:48:22] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Yeah. Well You've got Russians threatening a Canadian citizen
[02:48:27] Artur Pawlowski:
on behalf of the Canadian government. So so they said, there has been a meeting between Stephen Harper. Stephen Harper, is our ex prime minister. Jason Kenney, the premier of Alberta at that time. And there was a meeting between, Pierre Polioff. Pierre Polioff is the future prime minister. It has already been decided. We already know that it doesn't matter if you vote or not. He has been chosen by the elites to be the next prime minister. So there is no free elections. And, I said what Because Pierre is being viewed as as the new hero as the female. He blew up as a good guy. Yeah. Seems like a good guy. Yeah. The the one that, threw Christine Anderson under the bus and said she's vile, evil, and, the one that didn't stand for us during the COVID at all threw us under the bus. The same one that his sister made 1,000,000 of dollars selling COVID tests. That's the same family. I mean, I agree to you. But most people don't know this. No. Most people just see the And they wanna image portrayed to the family. And they don't wanna know because it's not convenient. They see this big bad Trudeau as the villain, and they see another person as the hero.
And they think that if they choose the lesser of 2 evils or that hero, their problems are going to be fixed. But they're all the same. All the ruling parties, the NDP, the conservatives, and, liberals are all part of this evil that was unleashed on the Canadian people. So, for example, during the arrest, conservative government arrested more people, more pastors than the Chinese government during the COVID era. Conservative government, not the liberal. Conservative government arrested more pastors than the Chinese government during this time. Crazy, Yeah. It's crazy. It is crazy because you look at them and say, well those are the good guys.
And it turns out they're all bad guys. If you're in power at this moment and if you're not standing up for the people, you're part of the problem. But anyway, going back to the fixers, I asked them why Pierre Polyakov is part of this. And they said, well, because you are talking about the conservative party in Alberta, and you're exposing things that might hurt his next election. Because we have election next year. And this jeopardizes his, election. So they have decided to eliminate you from the board. That's what they use. They said we they they have decided to eliminate you from the board, and you have to pay.
They came with a solution. You give $100,000 to me, $50,000 to the char charity of their choice, and you withdraw yourself from public life for 2 years, and we will fix your problem with the judge because the judge is bought and paid for. The judge work the judge works for us. Gordon Krenke is his name, the judge. He works for us. And, that was going on for 3 months, and I've got all the recordings and everything of this. And, 3 months of coercion, blackmail, threats, and they said if you go out, pack your bags because you're not coming out. So they intended to assassinate me in prisons. That was a serious threat from very powerful people. And, and I am telling you, I prayed and I prayed and I said, God, do not allow them to kill me like this. I mean, come on. This is horrible, you know, to die like this. And, I faced the judge. And guess what? They were right. The judge was bought and paid for. And what happened? He found me guilty of everything. And? And he said that every person that took part of the truck convoy is a criminal as well. And because I encourage them, I'm a criminal as well. I have been found guilty of terrorism.
I have been found guilty of inciting mischief. He found me guilty of breach of federal disorder. I faced decades of imprisonment. So that was, I think that was March, or May of last year. And, we appealed it. So so this is not the end of the story. And I've decided to do what I always do. I started to talk as hard as possible. I activated every friend I knew, every person that was interested in my story before, and I begged them to help me. Please spread the word around. Please let the people know that Artur Plask is still fighting, and he's not taking any. I'm not bowing. And I might die. So this is your, last opportunity to interview me. So I did interviews after interviews after interviews, and the American politicians got involved.
And they passed a resolution in Ohio, for example, to put Canada on a watch list as one of the nations that persecutes Christians. It was unbelievable. Congress people started to talk. Senators started to talk. Put pressure on Chen puts a big light on Canada. On Trudeau. I became an American hero, literally. And, I got a standing ovation in, American, capital, like, standing ovation. I just came back from Washington DC. Had a meeting with senators, congresspeople. I was treated like an American hero. It was incredible. Everywhere I go right now, I got invited to Republican party conventions and stuff like this. So they helped me. They activated whatever they could, and they, unleashed this, you know, rage, for justice against this injustice.
And, I faced the sentence in September last year. Yep. I received the last phone call from the fixers and they said, it's all arranged. Pack your bags. You're not coming out. You're going to prison. So I said my goodbyes to my wife. The whole family came, whole church. Hundreds of people showed up at the courts. We filled the courts inside, outside. It was incredible. And you know what I did? I summarized everything that I did so far that enraged the government, and I said it again. On live television, on cameras, to the media, live streaming, I said everything I could think of that they were upset with me. And I said, if I am to go down, I'll go down with a big splash.
And I said, I want you to know, I want the whole world to know, I'm not sorry for what I did. I'm super proud of what I did. And I encourage everyone, every man, every woman on earth to do the same thing. Rise up, stand up and do not be afraid. And if this is my goodbye, say goodbye and do the right thing. And I walk into the courtroom. Packed house, media, everyone was there. Gordon Krenke comes in and says, I can lock you. Oh, and by the way, after my after me being found guilty, they withdraw the terrorism charge. So they took me to the ringer and convicted me. And then pulled up. And then a month later, they withdraw the terrorism charge because we challenge validity, constitutional validity of this charge. So that scared them and they withdraw it, but they kept the other ones. And I faced at that time, I I faced 12 and a half years of imprisonment for my 19 minute sermon to the truckers.
When I said to the Canadian people, stand for God instead, give my rights, but do it peacefully. No guns, no swords, do it this solidarity style. And, he looked at me and says, I can send you to prison for 12 twelve and a half years. The lawyers were going back and forth and then he stops everything. I've never seen something like this before. I'm telling you, this is like a Hollywood movie. He stops everything and says I have to go and I have to consult this with others. He leaves us there in a court with all the media, with packed house, with lawyers, Crown prosecutors, the whole 9 yards, and he goes.
We don't know who he consulted with. We don't know who he called or who was in that room. He comes back and says time served, you're free to go. I was sentenced to 61 days of The days is the days you've already served in jail. But I already served in solitary confinement which is like one and a half days. Okay. And I walked out. Immediately, we have appealed the decision and was accepted. And September 10th is my appeal before the court of appealings. Is September 10th? Yes. And there's more. They really ticked me off at this moment. So I filed the biggest lawsuit in the history of this country. I'm suing attorney general of Canada. I'm suing chief of police. I'm suing Calgary police officers. I'm suing RCMP.
I'm suing prison. We served the prison. 2 days later, the prison, the director of prison resigned. We already took down the premier of Alberta, resigned. We took down the minister of justice.
[02:57:16] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I was voted out. We took down You're suing them all for the unlawful detention, unlawful arrest, unlawful behavior, unlawful imprisonment? More more than that. If this was just for the monetary compensation,
[02:57:28] Artur Pawlowski:
they would not be scared. I'm alleging conspiracy to commit crime. What I'm doing is it's a lot more bigger. That's why they're so scared, because what I'm doing is I'm tying all those organizations together, and I'm alleging that they all comply criminally against me and my family. And, I'm going after Alberta Health Services. I'm going after hundreds of people within the government, and I'm telling you they're already freaking out. They hired the most expensive and vicious lawyers in the country and guess what they did? They all are conspiring together, unifying together to fight me. So next month we are in a court because they are saying that this is outrageous, it should not happen, and they're all coming together with the same, doc documents proving my point that they all conspired against me in the first place. I'm super super happy about this because, people, I and I received a phone call from the government saying, this will cost you 1,000,000 of dollars and we will drag this for 10 years. I said, listen. Tell your bosses this. You're dealing with Artur Polovsky and I'll fight you until Jesus comes back. And I don't care how much this will cost. I'll dedicate my rest of my life fighting you.
And I I want you to know, I'll never stop until this is solved. Why? Because Canadian people deserve to know who did this to them and why. And civil litigation gives me more power than a criminal litigation because now I can Actually look at every storm. I can look at everywhere.
[02:59:09] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And that's what they're afraid of. Because you can you can get all their communications. That's right. That's what I'm after. System. You wanna see who was who was talking to who, what emails were sent. And the people really understand the levels that because there was total cons the government's conspired well 100%. To oppress people, to essentially kill people 100%. During the pandemic, to not give them the right medication to scare and intimidate them. And I guess you will one of the people in the way in Canada of that.
[02:59:39] Artur Pawlowski:
So, this lawsuit is giving me the ability to,
[02:59:47] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
get get the truth out. That's what I'm after. Even if That's what you hope if you're still here off or if I'm honest.
[02:59:53] Artur Pawlowski:
You know, if, if this cost me let's say this will cost me $2,000,000 and of course I cannot do this by myself, but, people You have support here? People chip in here and there. Still through Rebel? No. No. No. No. So you're gonna you you have people Privately. Privately trying to raise the funds. I'm doing shows. I'm talking about it. People can go to streetchurch.ca. There is legal fight. Here's an interesting part of this. I did a press conference with our lawyers, and every media outlet showed up. I mean, everyone. Everyone was there. And they listened to the allegations. They saw the documents, freaked them out so much that they put a cap on the story. No mainstream media will talk about this. They will talk about other litigations. No problem. But this this particular one scared them so much because this is not simply, you've done wrong. I want money because you hurt me. Now you're gonna pay. That's not what I'm after. I'm after information.
Again, remember we started this interview. Information is more valuable than money. Because if you have the right information, you can change a nation. You can put people in prison if you have the right information. I'm looking for the information, and I'm willing to give that information to the Canadian people. So they would know who did this to them and most importantly, why this was unleashed on them. I know of bribery. I know whether those people received some trick trinkets. And, imagine all those different, departments communicating, following me. I had police helicopters following me. I had undercover police following me. All of them, they were not doing this because they woke up in the morning and said, well, I miss Arthur Pawlowski's face. Someone was sending them there.
And the health inspectors and the politicians, the memos, the the the letters, the phone calls, texts, I will have access to all of that. Imagine in my hands, in knowing me now, I'm fighting those doubles for 19 years, and they've they've tried everything to stop me. Imagine if I get this information, what is going to happen? Imagine if a man like me gets this information. I'm going to unleash that on everyone. Do you think they're gonna allow you to get that information? Well, they still can assassinate me, I guess. They still can try that. They've tried it before, but so far so good. God, obviously has a plan for my life. He's not allowing them. I mean, I had pistols. I had knives. I had gangsters. I had I was in their custody in solitary confinement. Once they left the doors open and, I, I was already because I was so much liked in prison, the prisoners came to me and said, if this happens, watch because they will come. They will come to hurt you. And don't go with them to washroom. If they push you, fight to the dead because they're going to really hurt you or kill you or rape you. So I already knew this and, I had a pencil.
So I took a pencil with me and I was in a concrete cell and they opened the door and the officer picked, if you know where I am, and they left the door open. I mean this never happens, never happens. Door never left is left open and officer picking and leaving it open. So I, I said my goodbyes and submitted myself to the loving hands of my god. And I said, whoever comes, dies first. Whoever comes first through those doors is the first one to go. And who knows, with my training, ma'am, maybe I'll be able to take another one or maybe another one. I I I used to be pretty good at what I was doing. So I was ready. I was ready to fight to the death. And then officer picked again and saw me, like, I'm ready.
Like, I'm ready. And, you know, pencil sticking. Like, I'm ready. And then they closed the door. So they and then, of course, I talked about this the moment I was allowed to to get a phone call. So every single day that I was allowed, but sometimes they kept me for a long time not allowing me to leave the the solitary. But every time I had a phone, every time, every I'll tell everyone and my wife was recording. As possible. My son was recording every conversation. And I said, publish it. Yeah. But they will hurt you. I don't care. Publish it. Let the whole world knows what is happening to me. That's the only that's the only hope we have. And the more pressure, the better, and that was that was all over the place. And here I am, and you you see me scared, terrified, you know, watching, you know, my back.
If they wanna kill you, they will kill you. There's no way to stop an assassination unless God stops it. I mean, no one is safe. President of United States of America is not safe. If you really wanna take someone down, you will take the person down if you want to. So I had so many meetings with, with prime minister, and and, I'm telling you, it's very easy. If you wanna hurt another human being, it's very easy. So my only hope is the truth, standing for the truth, let the truth be my shield, my covering, sticking with God is my only option. And keep pushing, keep fighting.
[03:05:34] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Where can people watch this, continue to follow you to see what happens next, Harf?
[03:05:39] Artur Pawlowski:
Well the book is coming out and in the book, the book is already with the publisher. So even if they would take me down now and it's already there, it's being published, I'm naming them. I'm telling about the coercion. I'm telling about the conversations with politicians, including the premier. The offers that they had, everything is there. What they did to me in prison, the background story of the get out video and, you know, different arrests, track convo, my involvement, my intentions. You know, as much as I could. I mean, it would have to be thousands of pages. It will be about 400 pages book. Lions do not bow. So that's coming out, end of August, beginning of September.
And if you wanna follow our story, go to streetchurch.ca. I'm all over the social media. They took my big multimillion, you know, views channel, YouTube. They killed it. And I'm the most shadow banned in Canada right now. It's insane. It's totally insane. But you still can see it, it's just it will not show me that you have seen it. So I can have 10,000 views and the next day a 100, you know, to to play those games with me. But I'm on X, I'm on Facebook still, Rumble, Facebook, you know. You're back in court in September? I'm back in court this month, next month. Every month? And September is my appeal.
So that will be done by the panel of 3 judges, and they will look into this case again. I am very confident that I'm going to win this again because this was the first time in the history of Canada that the pastor's sermon was on trial. You know, I have not said a word in court. I was not allowed to say a word. I'm sitting over there, and there is a crown prosecutors and special unit for crown prosecutors from, this unit is a unit that does gangs, mafia, you know, organized crime. It's a special formed unit in the province of Alberta. Stephen Johnstone is part of that unit. So they, they were going back and forth and my sermon, word by word, was on trial. And I'm sitting over there as accused facing 12 and a half years, Actually, at that time it was more because the terrorism was still attached to it.
And they're arguing what I meant when I said this. So they're talking about The meaning of Right. Also, he said, solidarity. What did he mean? Obviously, your morons, I meant what I've seen when I was growing up. Solidarity movements that I saw with my own eyes. The civil disobedience, uprising, peaceful demonstrations of the Polish people. No, no, no, no. He meant violent. I said during my sermon that this is our Alamo. So my lawyer said rightly so that what I meant, this is the fight that we're willing to pay the ultimate price for the children to die if needs be. No, no, no, no. He was willing to murder. He was willing to kill people. Yeah. They wanna change the context of what you said. Right? So this has never been done before. I was the first case that my words, my sermon was on trial back and forth and I was convicted of everything.
And, I know that the real judges are going to look into this and they'll say, no, this is insane. Because if I'm convicted, then everyone You're not convicted. Is not safe in this country, including politicians. Politicians are yapping all the time and, they can be liable right now for everything they are saying because it can be, inciting mischief. Because what is inciting mischief? I have become the 1st Canadian ever to be convicted of this crime. Has never been done before. Inciting mischief is like when you have nothing. Mischief is when you have nothing. Me anything. But inciting, like, how you incite mischief.
[03:09:58] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Do you know what I do you know what I think after sitting on this discussion with you? Because I was arrested this week. I think I'm lucky I got my passport back today, and I just wanna get out of Canada. I'm gone, bruv. I'm out of here, mate. Because I I when I got arrested this week, they said I may be here months and I didn't really I just but after hearing your story, Tamara Leach's story, after hearing the the absolute abuse of power for people who simply exercise their free speech and their democratic freedoms.
And to hear what people have gone through, Canada is a communist hellhole. Yeah. It is. 2 people around the world realize this. But in fact, it's not just Canada. The abuse do you know what? Everything we've sat and discussed, everything you've been through, I can mirror it. From the solitary confinement to the abuse of power, to the threats, to the intimidation, to all these things, and I think it's a very easy that you find people that just stand in the face of it. I'm so glad I've had the opportunity to relay your message and for people to understand because when I saw you stand up in church that day, I didn't realize your backstory to understand why you're the man that's continued to stand. Fascinating discussion, passed it off, and then I wish you luck. But more than anything, I wish you safety. I think you're gonna need it in this head on collision.
[03:11:18] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. I mean, I I I don't have worry. I think that I think that we have been born for such a time as this. I think that we have been groomed by God himself for such a time as this. I think that we have been prepared. You see me growing up in hell and seeing the abuse of power and and trying to survive absolute insanity because every day was, was chasing after necessities of life. Trying I'll never forget the lineups. There was a rumor. As a kid, I remember there was a rumor that there is coffee that will come to the store in 3 days. So my parents sent me from school, says, you gotta stand in lineup for 3 days 3 nights, and and we're going to exchange for 1 kilo of coffee because of a rumor that coffee might come. It didn't show up. We didn't know if it's going to come, but there is a potential it's going to come. You know, a sugar. The government was telling you how much sugar you can buy a month. Government was telling you. So when you grow up in hell, and I grew up in a very rough neighborhood, very rough.
Coal miners, kids, very tough. You had to be tough to survive. There are fights all the time. And and, when you're growing up in that kind of environment and you survive, and then, of course, Greece, very hard labor, learning language and starting business in a hostile environment, in a very difficult environment with very corrupted politicians and police officers. Police officers were coming to my home for envelopes filled with cash, like, on a regular basis. And I survived that, and then we finally escaped Canada for our heaven, for peace, you know, for freedom, for bread. And, all those things that, happened, you know, when we were growing up, now we can use. You know, I'll survive. People like me will survive what's coming. Economy's coming down. Fiat currency's coming down.
Economy's collapse. Bubble's gonna break. And and people like me, I I I know how to survive in poverty. I know how to survive when you need to barter and and look for things and and get things done. Most of the people are not equipped to survive what's coming. I have friends everywhere now, in government, in police. I have friends in banking system. I hear things. Things are coming to me. And, lots of people came to realize that I was right from the very beginning. Now they're hurting. The government that's supposed to protect them is destroying them. So I think that all of this happened, those evil, these crazy things that happened to us, I think it happened for a purpose, for a bigger purpose than just a cool story.
That's how you can sit and say I was arrested so many times or face courts. No. That's not the story. The story is now I have the answers. I know how to fix the system. I can tell you what to do with homelessness. I can tell you where the problem with the banking system is. I can tell you that there is a problem with education. We were indoctrinated as kids. What we are facing right now is pure indoctrination, brainwashing of our young generation. I can talk about politics because I hang around with politicians all my life. I can tell you their tricks. I can tell you that what they say to you in front of the camera is not what really happens.
I can educate you, tell you what to look for, how the system how how corrupted is the system. Because you gotta know you have to know that there is a problem before you can fix the problem. It's like it's like a doctor. And the doctor looks at you and says, Sir, you have cancer. And in order for you to survive this, in order for us to save you, we need to cut it out. It's a bloody business. You gotta open the patient. You gotta take part of you out and then you gotta sew it back. There is a scar. There is pain, but it's necessary. This pain is necessary to save you. Canada has cancer.
Globe has cancer. Many of our beloved nations, there is a cancer in the lungs, and it's painful, but we gotta cut it out. It will cause even more pain, but it has to happen in order to to heal the lung. So I think what happened to you, you you know intimately the level of corruption. You know you did not read the book. You did not, watch a Hollywood production. You know. I know. If I was ever given an opportunity of, any political power, I'd turn Alberta into Saudi Arabia. It will be the richest province on earth because I know how to do it. I know where the problem is.
Because there's enough money in the coffer. The problem is they're wasting it left and right. They're they're robbing us. They're stealing from us. They gotta cut the beast down. They gotta shave this massive government leech that is sucking the blood of the people and, trim it. The government should never be involved in our affairs. The government should be involved in, you know, building roads and looking for other infrastructure. All those other things always historically were the church's business, community's business. What is the role of the government in my bed?
They want a role in everything now. Right? They're involved in everything because you gotta remember, and we started this interview with this, that this is the biggest attack on the middle class ever attempted in the history of mankind. And this is an an attack not on our rights only but on everything. They're turning us into slaves, literally. And slave has no say. Slave is to obey their masters. They're turning us, all of us, into 2 categories of people, super powerful and enslaved. And if you're okay with that, then I rest my case. Be a good slave and work for, you know, Trudeau's or Biden's or Obama's or whatever the snake there is. But I was born to be free. I don't want If you're not okay with that, be inspired.
Get ready. Yeah. And the last thing I wanna tell you is, look at me, I'm a nobody in the eyes of man, but I'm a somebody in the eyes of God. God is raising faceless, nameless nobodies in the eyes of man that will become somebodies. In the eyes of God, if a man like me with a broken English sometimes I'm thinking like, did I say this word right or I'm inventing new words? It's poor English. If a man like me can do it, I'm telling you, you can do it as well. And that's the story. The story of Artur Polarsky is not the story, look what horrible things the government did to him, but look what amazing things God has done for him. After everything they've done to me, I'm a happy camper, got 3 children, wife, I travel, I inspire, I speak, I have a church, I feed thousands of people, I never stop.
[03:18:52] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Well, that's a beautiful ending to that podcast. Alpha, it's been inspiring, man. It's been a an in a fascinating story. If you're watching this, you're one of the people that give me the opportunity to sit here and hear these stories, I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity. And I think it's a great opportunity to hear people. Joe, you can hear so much common with with every story that we're telling and hearing from. It's happening across the world, in every European country, in every Western nation. The oppression, the attacks, it's all the same. And it relates to your upbringing of communism and slavery. So we need to fight it. But thank you again for your time, pastor. Thank you. I wish you luck, man. Thank you. God bless you, man. Stay strong. You too, brother. Well, I know you ain't gonna back down. It's not like I need to say keep keep fighting. I don't need to say it. I know I don't.
[03:19:42] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. We are we are lions. Lions do not bow before the hyenas. We eat them for breakfast. Remember that. Do you hear that, Trudeau? Thank you, Bob. Thank you. God bless you, Tom. Cheers. Thank you. Carry
[03:19:54] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
on watching for more interesting guests. I'll talk to anyone. I'll debate anyone. I'll hear anyone's story. If you want to help me along that way, it's not free. I need your support. If you can support my family, that gives me my peace of mind. It means I can continue to do the work I do. I appreciate every bit of support as do my children. It gives me the ability to fly them out here to see me so I can stay in constant contact with them. I'm the platform and I'm censored, so I need you. I need you to share this content. And make sure you stay tuned for upcoming weekly guests, interesting guests, exciting guests. I'm Tom Robson, and this has been my podcast, Silence.
In my country, if you were caught with a pamphlet that was not approved by the Communist Party, you could go to prison for 2 years. Communism, socialism, fascism is hell. If we as men, if we as fathers and mothers will not stand up for the children, they have no future. Come and get me. Right? I'm not hiding. I did not come here with security and, you know, probably listening to our conversation. So what? The pastors, the clergy, the priests have betrayed Jesus and sold him, and they said if you go out pack your bags because you're not coming out. So they intended to assassinate Family, God, faith, freedom, those are the things worth fighting for and and and life is not worth living without them. God and family is the most important thing.
[00:00:57] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Information covered up, censorship, corruption, the mainstream media have proven itself to be untrustworthy. I'm here to give a platform for debate, for truth, for open discussion.
[00:01:09] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I'm introducing you to my podcast, Silenced with Tommy Robinson.
[00:01:15] Artur Pawlowski:
Who exactly is Tom Robinson or Steven? Next to Len with the English friendly EDL.
[00:01:22] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Action. The problem was the Islamic way. Far right, lambophobic
[00:01:27] Artur Pawlowski:
act Since then, it's been organized protests across the country. London, Manchester, Leeds, people in their thousands are marching for us to choose. There is no such thing in this country as a Muslim Free, Tommy
[00:01:43] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Welcome to my latest edition of my podcast, silenced. I'm in Canada. And who remembers at the height of COVID tyranny, I remember watching thinking, why is no one standing up when they were closing religious buildings, when they were closing businesses? And then I saw one pastor, a Polish pastor in Canada, not just stand up, but literally chased the police from his church. I remember applauding. And then I saw the full weight of the communist government come down upon him. So it's my privilege today to meet and hear the life story of pastor Arthur Pawlowski.
I've tried that 10 times, by the way. Let's take 10.
[00:02:19] Artur Pawlowski:
Taste. Chest Chindoble. Chest Chindoble. Yeah. Well, it's an honor, to sit with you during craziness. Even before the big lie, as I call it, the past 4 years, I have watched you standing up and fighting, and I was cheering you. The whole church was cheering you. Now go, Tommy. Go, Tommy. So that's what it's going to take. It's going to take a bunch of us encouraging each other to push this great evil that has been unleashed on all of us and especially on our children. I'd say that you, at the height of COVID, probably become one of the most recognized figures
[00:02:54] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
of resistance against it in the world. Your arrest, everything that followed from it. But if we can, I just wanna rewind to to understand who you are? What made you the person to stand up at that time when all other priests weren't standing up? Yeah? They were closing churches. What made you a person? So if I can just ask, where where was you born, Arthur? Well, I was born in Porrant,
[00:03:14] Artur Pawlowski:
behind the iron curtain under the boots of the Soviets. But also I was called, you know, I was born in a very peculiar country, Poland. We have been fighting for our existence since the very beginning. I mean, the history of Poland is history of fighting for freedom. So growing up in that environment, I grew up in a city that had a concentration camp. We played in the bunkers of the SS during the 70s 80s. My grandma was in Auschwitz Birkenau. She was experimented upon by Doctor. Mengele, the angel of death. She lost 2 children.
My family history, my grandfather escaped Siberia. It took him 2 years to come from Siberia to Poland. And of course growing up during that environment you hear stories from the older generation. My other grandfather and my grandma with my great uncle, they escaped, from Soviets from Soviets in Romania. They were captured by the police and my great, uncle lowered my grandma on the road and they came to Poland. So in our DNA, in our bloodstream, if you will, it's this fight for freedom. And of course, I also grew up in the 80s seeing the solidarity movement with my own eyes, seeing the power of the people. You see, that's the message that I have for the masses.
There is more of us than of them. Realize this. The moment you say no so 50,000 communists were ruling over 36,000,000 Poles until the millions said enough is enough, took it to the streets. But how did they do it? They did it peacefully and they were chanting with this huge massive cross. I don't know if you remember that. Michael. We want God. We want God. That was direct attack against the godless evil wicked communists. Because what we are observing right now is the wannabe pharaohs, the wannabe slave masters enslaving the whole humanity.
They are the elites. According to them they are telling you and me you will own nothing and you will be happy. Why? Because they will own everything. They're telling you you will be riding on a bicycle eating crickets and owning nothing while at the same time they are flying private jets to Davos eating the most expensive Japanese steaks and accumulating the biggest amount of land ever. Bill Gates has become the number one landowner in United States of America. So you got to pay attention what is happening. Simply what I'm trying to say to to all of you, this is a repetition of history. We've seen this before. Nothing is new under the sun. So I grew up in a place that simply have seen this before. And what I'm saying to the people is I've watched this movie. You know when you watch a movie you know how it ends? I've watched this movie. I know how it ends. We must change the script.
[00:06:29] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Poland was wiped off the map. Right? There was no Poland. For over a 130 years. For over a 130 years. So for people to understand Polish history, because maybe this is the reason why you're the man standing up. For your generations, for your grandparents, you've all heard the stories of what it's like. That's right. And understand within a generation what it's like to not have freedom. I think the the biggest civil uprising in history was in Warsaw. No? 200,000 with pitchforks to fight against Nazis of of of the people. And I think Polish history, they've never been in every war ever, they've been outnumbered 30 to 1, minimum 30 to 1. So I think so would you say that it's your upbringing and your understanding of what it's like to not have freedom and your family's fight throughout history for freedom,
[00:07:13] Artur Pawlowski:
that you can see what you can see the reminiscence of what's happening now in Canada and in the West. That's right. Also, every year that I go to Europe, I make sure sometimes I take my friends from Canada, sometimes I'll take Americans, my family, of course, my children. I will take the time to go to Auschwitz Birkenau. I'll tell you why. Because every single time I go over there it's a good reminder to what happens when you don't put a check on people's power. Right now, we have a situation where there is no accountability to those lying politicians.
There are no checks and balances. They do whatever they want and there is really nothing we can do about this. The judges are corrupted. The police are just simply following orders. You know, other Polish men, I've heard this before. Nuremberg trials when all those SS people came, those evil wicked monsters I call them, they showed up in front of the whole whole ward and they said, I'm not guilty. I was just following orders. No no no no no. It doesn't work that way and definitely doesn't work that way before God. Every man is accountable for what he has done. You will stand naked before the living God and you will give an account for what you did. Not what your wife did, not what your neighbors did, not what your politician did, but what you did. And if you were a good man you will get a reward.
If you were a wicked man you will also get a wrath of God. You will pay for it. So growing up in this environment, learning history, I think the problem we're facing right now, the most of the children and then, of course, they grow up, this generation doesn't know history. They don't know who they are. They don't know. If you do not know where you came from, you don't know where you're heading. You see, I'm a proud Polish man. I'm not hiding I'm Polish. I mean my accent even, it's not hiding it. I'm a Pole, I was born in Poland. Yes, it was crazy at times. The history of Polish people is is a roller coaster, but that's my history. That's the history of my parents, my grandparents. I'm proud to be a Polish man but I'm also proud to be a Canadian.
My children were born here. My home is here. I am a Canadian. I came to love this land and I'm a very patriotic man. I think we've lost that. Our children do not know in a big scale what patriotism even means, that God has given us this land for a purpose. It's a gift from God Almighty to you and to me and he wants us to take care of the land but also take care of each other. We've lost that and it's by design. What they are doing right now, and again I have to go back to to history, I grew up in hell. Communism, so Communism, socialism, fascism is hell.
I grew up in hell. And when you
[00:10:11] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
grew up in that kind of environment What was it like growing up? Tell me When you So so let people understand. What was it like growing up?
[00:10:19] Artur Pawlowski:
Never ending lineups. What's that mean? What that means is every Saturday, my mom would send me to buy a loaf of bread once a week. And to buy a loaf of bread, I had to stand in a lineup. I could not see the end of it. What it means is that I was 7, 8 years old, and they would send me 3, 400 kilometers from home with luggage that I could not even lift, with meat because we couldn't buy it here. You had to go somewhere else. What it means is that the government controlled everything, what you eat and how much you eat. They were giving you the food stamps. And on the food stamp, I'll never ever forget this, on those little stamps would say 2 kilos of pork or 2 kilos of, you know, sausage.
The government was telling you how much vodka you can drink. The government was telling you how much gasoline you can put into your car. The government was telling you where you can have a house. You can afford it but they were telling you if you can have it or not. The government was telling you if you can buy a car or not. Every single aspect of your life was controlled by wicked evil corrupted to the core bureaucrats. More, what happened also those bureaucrats, because of the briber, lying and cheating and stealing, turned the entire nation into a nation that was run by bribery, cheating, and stealing, not because the Polish people were bad people.
It's the only way you can survive. You gotta survive. I mean in the end of the day, I'm a pastor, I'm a clergy. The Bible is very clear, thy shall not steal. But I'm telling you, Tommy, if I had a situation that I could not eat and my children were starving, I'll probably go and do something to get it. Right? This way or that way. So that's what communism, that's what every ism turns people into. And everyone was afraid of everyone. Everyone was afraid of everyone because they'd made everyone report on everyone? Of course. So you couldn't trust your neighbors? There was no trust in the community because they're the secret police? Because that's the What's the design? You know, why a man like me arose in such a, you know, quick way? Because I was the first Canadian, I don't know if you know that, I became the 1st Canadian to get the big lying ticket 4 years ago. I got this ticket at the beginning of 22 By ticket you mean fine, this massive fine, tens of 1,000 of pounds? Oh, like 1,000,000 of dollars. Okay. I got over 40 citations. My record is and I've never met a man with more the bigger amount of citations and tickets, 360 tickets, a 120 court cases, and 16 arrests. Plus, many times I was detained.
My son has been arrested 5 times already. My brother 12 times. So they're going after family. They're going hard. They are ticketing, harassing, intimidating. My phone has been monitored for the past 20 years. My beginning of resisting this evil did not start with a big life 4 years ago. It started way way way way before when I started to feed the poor. Because you have to understand the system, the mechanism of this, what we are witnessing right now, the the greatest takeover or as I call it the greatest takedown of the middle class. Because right now in front of your eyes they're creating 2 categories of people. The slaves, the super powerful, the rich and slaves, social insurance number. That's it. You'll own nothing, you will be happy and you will have to report to them. They, the masters, will be telling you what you can and cannot have. That's communist, that's Poland that I was growing up. You couldn't talk freely because you were afraid. In my country, if you were caught with a pamphlet that was not approved by the Communist Party, you could go to prison for 2 years.
If you were caught listening to a European radio, you could go to prison for 5 years. But prison was not like you think. Prison is what they send me to now. Canadian prison which is hardcore concrete floor, no water, no washroom. The Solitary confinement. Solitary confinement, metal cages. I'll tell you all about that later on. But the communist socialist fascist, you know, enterprise, if you will, hybrid that we are witnessing in front of our eyes, they have one goal. They need to scare the people and they need to subdue the people. You cannot subdue the middle class because they can hire lawyers. They can push. They can come to the rally. They can come and protest you. Why do you think the Canadian global governments forbid its gatherings?
Because they watched the Polish uprising in 1980. I'm telling you. Tell me what happened in 1980. So you mean you're in Poland? Tell me what happened in 1980. I'm in Poland growing up in hell where the government was controlling everything. Fear was tangible. You could actually cut it with a with a knife. People were depressed. Why do you think so many Polish people turned into vodka, right? The jokes about the Polish people. Right? Because no hope, hopelessness, depression. There was it didn't matter if you were a hardworking man, you couldn't achieve anything unless you were corrupted man, unless you were bribing. I remember as a kid I couldn't pass my driver's license without giving a bribe to the teacher. Just that's how the system was.
Everything was run by bribery. So growing up in that kind of environment where everything was twisted and perverted and evil, of course, the history was manipulated. I remember growing up as a kid and the teachers were telling us about Joseph Stalin. I'm sure you're familiar with the name. And, Joseph Stalin was the savior of Europe. We were told as kids to call him Dierduskas Stalin which means Grandpa Stalin. So that And indoctrinating the children. Right. And and of course you learn later on that this man murdered more people, twice as many people as Hitler. But Hitler was the bad guy at that time. Why does why do we never get taught that now? Why do we never hear about the atrocities of Stalin? Well, because what we are seeing right now is a repetition of history. It's socialism and communism 2.0 or 3.0, whatever you wanna call it. They have been working on this for a very long time. Communism, socialism is a godless system.
And if you were wondering why, first of all, why did they wanted to muzzle you up? Because they were telling you symbolically, they knew that the virus is too small. They knew that the virus at the path pathogen is 1,000 times smaller than the bacteria and this Pampers on your face is not going to stop from coming in and going that. So why wear 1? Because they were telling you symbolically, you have no voice. Your voice doesn't matter. And also your face means nothing. You're a nobody. You're faceless, nameless nobody.
You have no voice. You're a slave, symbolically. Masks were always associated with slavery. They did it to many many tribes and different people through generations. They would put a mask on an individual
[00:17:41] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
telling him To take away his identity. Right? His identity.
[00:17:44] Artur Pawlowski:
Also have you ever wondered why they forbid the church people to gather? Because they learned from history, from the Polish uprising under the solidarity movement, that that's where people gather. That's where there is an exchange of information. I was a businessman before, Tommy. We had this famous saying that information is more powerful than money. You know why? Because if you have the right information, making money it's easy. It's the information that is difficult because if you know where to put your money, money makes money.
So you can do that, but if you don't have the right information, you're going to be poor for the rest of your life. So they know that when people gather, when there is an exchange of information, when 2 individuals are talking, suddenly your eyes will pop up. Wow, I didn't see this. I didn't know that. And also clergy, why they attack the churches? Because historically that's where resistance happens. Why? Because a real Christian and and here we're coming to the whole story that there are not many real Christians anymore. The church has been infiltrated? The pastors, the clergy, the priests have betrayed Jesus and sold him for 30 shekels of silver, for 30 coins.
They sold him because of fear, because of trinkets, before because of money or other things. So when a real Christian comes together, then God is the number 1. Your obedience, allegiance if you will, is to God because he's smarter than all of us combined together. He's the one that created us and government, crooked government hates that because now the government is competing with your thoughts, with your belief system, and if you don't bow before prime minister or president or mayor or police officer or whatever the man is, if you're not bowing to him, why not?
Oh, they're bowing to God, then we have to shut it down. It was fascinating to watch all of that because abortion clinics were open, liquor stores were open When? During the COVID lockdown. Marijuana stores. Liquors stores. Yeah. Yeah. At the biggest lockdowns And they shut gyms. Right? In a in the middle of the biggest lockdowns, I remember my son's bed broke. So we had to go and buy him a new bed and we went to IKEA. I could not believe it that at the front of the entrance to IKEA it had a ride up and it said only 500 people allowed. Only 500 people. I could not have a brother for coffee according to them. And nothing makes sense. Right? But I can take my brother, my mother, my whole family and my whole church to IKEA and that would be perfectly legal. So what I did growing up in hell, you learn, you smell. When it shows up again you you don't have to think.
You know right away this great evil that you escaped has come again. So when they showed up at the beginning of 2020 and told me I have to shut down my soup kitchen, I feed thousands of people on the streets of Calgary. We never stop feeding them. We still feed thousands of people and that's I'm doing this for 25 years right now. So when they said I have to stop feeding the poor because we're in the middle of this crisis, I questioned them. I said, okay let's say we are in the middle of this great crisis. Then my services are now needed more than ever.
You're shutting down shelters, you're shutting down soup kitchens, what do you think is going to happen to 15 to 20000 different individuals facing homelessness? No answer. I said I'll tell you what will happen. They will go to the streets and they will wipe grandma's head for $5. They will break into a car. They will break into a house, into a garage, into a grocery store because people need to eat. If you don't feed them and if you stop us feeding them, then guess what is going to happen? Bad things are going to happen. No reply. I appealed it to the mayor. I appealed it to the premier, Jason Kenyon at the time. And I appealed it to every minister in the province of Alberta. No reply.
0. At that moment I said to my family and to the church, this is all a big lie. This is this is all. I I knew because if they really cared about human lives, if if they truly cared about saving people, then they would reply to me and would give me an explanation why I cannot keep saving lives. By feeding those people they're desperately hungry. But because they didn't reply I knew we are dealing with communist, fascism and socialism combined together because this is a hybrid. It's like they're flipping a page from a book called How to Become a Tyrant, and they are implementing one step after another by the media, shutting down any form of dissent, scaring political opponents, or assassinating them, and in some countries shutting down any town hall meetings, church meetings, any place that people can receive or exchange information.
[00:23:00] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Explain to me what happened in like because that exchanging of information,
[00:23:04] Artur Pawlowski:
explain to me how important that was in 1980 in Poland. What was it that Oh, that was the power. What happened? That was the power because you see the mechanism of the enemy, of the tyrant is isolation, segregation, separation. Why? Because they want you to feel hopeless. You must feel hopeless. You must come to a point in your life that you throw the the hands down and say, there's nothing I can do. I cannot fight them. There's too many of them and they're too big. They're goliaths, right? They're the giants. When we come together, when Art and Tommy comes together, suddenly we exchange the information and we don't feel so alone.
Suddenly I'll say something to you that your heart will leap and you will tell something to me and my heart will leap and suddenly we're better. We are feeling stronger. We are no longer alone.
[00:23:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
We're standing for what's right,
[00:23:57] Artur Pawlowski:
what God is on our side, and if we can find few more people like minded, then we are a power horse. That's how revolution starts and they know that. You see, here's the problem. They know history. Most of the people out there do not know history because if they knew history they would know how to counter attack this attack. I know history. So to me it was okay, how the Polish people did it? I was just a kid. My wife was smuggling pamphlets for solidarity movement in a backpack. What was the solidarity
[00:24:28] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
movement? People understand?
[00:24:30] Artur Pawlowski:
So we have been, let's go to 1939 quickly. Poland was attacked by the Nazis. First nation that was attacked by the Nazis, and the whole hell got unleashed. We've lost about 11,000,000, 12000000 Polish people during the war from 1939 to 1945. You talked about Warsaw Uprising and other there were multiple other uprising. But we've lost our youths, we've lost our young men, the fighting men. So in 1945, the Russians came and just took over our country. We were enslaved by the Soviets because Germans wiped out our young men. There was not many that were able to fight. So the Russians just came in and took over Poland. So we were enslaved. While you in England and in America, in France, when you when you were celebrating the victory over the Nazi, over the Hitler, right, in 1945, we were crying because we were taken over by the Soviets, communists. Polish people were not communists.
We were free. We capitalism was flourishing between the 1st war and the 2nd war. So we were devastated. We were destroyed. Tens of thousands of people are mortared, slaughtered by the Soviets, by Stalinism. So anyway, fast forward, I was They came in and killed all the educated. Oh, they they killed Well, they came in. Yeah. Or they killed 100 of 1000 of people. Tens of 1000, you know, sent to Siberia. My grandfather, of course, even before that. And lots of people imprisoned and tortured for years. And then I was born and I was born already behind the Iron Curtain under the boots of the Soviets. So that's the only thing I knew, slavery. We were slaves.
When you went to school, you couldn't just buy what you kids in England could buy or you could dream about it. You couldn't get necessities. If I had pants and by the way those are jeans. You don't even think about them. Right? Like when was the last time you thought, oh, jeans. Wow. That's an expensive stuff. No. Because it's like $20, $30. You didn't even think about it. Well, that was 1 month. Every single day a man had to work for 1 pair of jeans. So as kids, when you got one, it was like having a Rolls Royce. It's like, wow. It was something so precious.
Everything I remember from my childhood, it was chasing after necessities of life. It was funny thing in the beginning of the big lie in 2020, remember the shortage of toilet paper? Yeah. So I'll tell you a story. My wife doesn't like when I tell the story but you know, it paints a picture. I don't know why during communism, there is always shortage of toilet paper. I have no idea, but that's the reality. So what we did and I remember this for many years in Poland when I was growing up that you had to take their propaganda papers, newspapers, and you had to cut them in pieces like this, like this big and you would break them.
You break them and you you make them straight and you break them again to use as a toilet paper. Because if you didn't do that you would cut your bum. It was craziness. After you were done your thing, your bum was completely black because of the ink. So you've got 36,000,000 Polish people running around with black bombs. You know, now when I look at this, it's kind of hilarious, but at that time it was a horror movie. It was crazy. You could not go and buy a toilet paper. 2020 shows up. Guess what? I'm looking on TV, people fighting for toilet paper. I turned to my wife and said communism has arrived. Just like that. Run away. Because all of those things are symbols.
And you can tell we are repeating a history by watching the symbols being unleashed on all of us. You couldn't just go to a store and buy whatever you need. There were restrictions exactly like growing up under Communism. That's why I say and that's why I call those officers there by their proper pronouns. It's all about pronouns right now. Right? So I call them by the proper pronouns, Gestapo and Nazi. Why? What is Gestapo? People don't even know what that means. It means political police. That's what it means. Gestapo is simply a political police that was, you know, obeying the Nazi regime during the Hitler era. I'll just shut this off.
And, but people don't know that. Nazi. Why did I say Nazis? You have to understand that I have been hunted down by those authorities since 2005.
[00:29:20] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Let's go through that story. 2000 Let's go through so first of all, so people understand, what broke the what broke that in Poland and how old was you when it broke in Poland to free the Poland? When were the Polish people freed? Yeah. So
[00:29:33] Artur Pawlowski:
and what what was the solidarity movement to do that? So people listening understand how did people come together, how did they resist it? So Polish people tried to break away from communism from the very beginning, but they were crushed without mercy. We did not have enough able bodies, men to fight because again, the nineties killed most of them and then 100 of 1,000 were arrested by Stalin. And so we didn't have men to fight and the rest, they were working for the for the communist regime. So in 1965, there was an uprising in Poland. So just few years after after the war, the Polish people took it to the to the streets and they were demanding freedom.
They were brutally destroyed. But out of that fire in a city called Poznan, out of that fire, the, Hungary got free. I don't know if you remember the Hungary revolution in 1965, 66, 67. So that started because of the Polish people in the city of Pulsdne. But the Russians brutally destroyed the Polish uprising. They tried to do the same thing with the Hungary people but they didn't manage to do it. It was too far and, Hungary got freed. Then in 79, I believe, another uprising, so about 10 years later, Polish people rose to get to the streets, fought for the freedom, brutally arrested, murdered, many clergy died, and, and that was over. And then then it came 1980.
And I remember this because I lived through this whole thing. Polish people finally decided enough is enough. And under solidarity movement what is solidarity movement? Solidarity movement started with by the woman. Valentinovic was her name, and she was fired from her job. She had number of kids. And in solidarity with her and other political dissidents that were brutally oppressed by the regime, few people stood. Just few. And then when others heard about those people standing up, they joined in solidarity with her and them, and it grew. And then the word spread. You see, that's what they don't want. You know why there's censorship?
[00:31:53] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
They could say that, they're not working. Because they don't want
[00:31:57] Artur Pawlowski:
us to know what's happening. You see your video with your arrest it was fascinating and I said what a dumb people those people are. They gave you free advertisement around the world, 35,000,000 views of your arrest. I mean it's like brilliant. When they came to to our church, over a 1000000000 views of me kicking them out. So whatever they do works against them because God is helping us. God wants the people to know what's going on. And that's exactly what was happening in 1980. The world of uprising, peaceful uprising, resistance, non compliance, kind of a general strike, if you will, I shall not work for you because you're treating me like a slave and I am nobody's slave, went like a wildfire and more companies started to join.
And soon, it started with literally few people. It was 1,000, then tens of 1,000, then 100 of 1,000, and then 1,000,000. And what the government did, the 1st year, solidarity movement had a 1,000,000 members within the 1st year. So they outlawed solidarity movement. Sounds familiar? They outlawed Solidarity Movement and guess what? The next 2 years it grew to 3,000,000 strong. And in 1989, at the collapse of communism where a Berlin Wall fall down, an iron curtain was broken, we had over 10,000,000 strong. So what happens is, it's it's it's the same mechanism, they are afraid of the truth, but the truth is unstoppable. And the truth went like a wildfire from city to city, from town, from village to village, and people started to join because what it takes what it takes is a spark.
A courageous man that says I'm not going to do it. A spark, you are that spark. When people watch you they say, if Tommy Robinson You know, don't get me wrong, you're no you're no special, you got 2 legs, 2 arms and a hat just like me, but you did something extraordinary when they were looking for someone, when they were looking, waiting for a man, then came Tommy Robinson. And they said to themselves, if he can do it We can. With his funny English accent.
[00:34:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And then when they look at me, if this Polish guy with the broken English Which is why they have to set an example of us. Right? That's why they can't That's right. That's why they won't stop. Of course. To send a message to the rest of them. Because you have to remember
[00:34:29] Artur Pawlowski:
that they are flipping the pages of how to become a tyrant. Tyrants cannot allow Tommy Robinson running around free. They cannot allow clergy preaching the truth that sets the captives free, gives people messages of hope and strength and power that God is bigger than prime minister, God is bigger than president, God is bigger than the elites, the, you know, the psychopaths. That's a very dangerous message. And that's why they came crashing down so hard. But going back to the solidarity movement, it scared them so much that they invoked, they invoked, war measures.
[00:35:10] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Right? Sounds familiar again. And this We'll get on to this. We'll get on to this. The same thing. Same thing. Go on. So,
[00:35:17] Artur Pawlowski:
Polish governments
[00:35:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
invoked that. I see the similarities here is we're gonna get on to we'll get on to what's happening now, but go on, Carol. Of of course. It's all identical. If only people knew history, they would never ever allow this to happen again. You can understand why every Polish person in there who's your age understands because you remember it. Yeah. We don't in Britain. We didn't live under this. Yeah? No. No. You didn't. And Canadians didn't as well. No. We don't understand the fight for communism or identity. We think that it's just we're born into this freedom. Yeah. You're not. No. We don't realize that there's never been freedom like this. We don't realize that. Free freedom is
[00:35:52] Artur Pawlowski:
is that fragile. And it's that close of you losing it if you are not vigilant, if you're not paying attention what those groups are doing. You can lose it during your lifetime. And for Polish people like me, we already lived in hell. We don't wanna endure the same thing again and definitely we don't want our children to endure what we had to endure during the boots of totalitarian regime. So the government outlaws solidarity movement but that did not stop the people. Many people arrested, some murdered, including clergy were murdered. There is this famous famous story of Popi Ushko. He was, tortured for 3 days.
Every bone broken. Like, what they did to this man, I don't wanna even imagine. Because they hate God and they hate hate hate anyone that gives people hope. Hope is a commodity that they cannot allow people to hear. That's why they hate me so much because my messages are not just this is bad bad bad bad bad. Because I always take them through the history, but then I'll tell them the remedy. It's very easy. Actually it's a shockingly easy how to beat those people up. People don't realize that we have the power and that's what the Polish people did. Millions took it to the streets with a very simple message. It was not a complicated message. We are nobody's slaves.
Get out of our lives. We just we just wanna live our lives in peace. And they did it on masses. So the government got scared. They crushed the people brutally. When they were crushing them brutally, more people were rising up there because there was the sympathy with the martyrs during that time. And it took yes, you know, the the problem that we're facing, Tommy, is that it takes a while to break things. It will take a while to fix things, to rebuild. I used to be a builder, in my you know, before I became a a clergy, I was a builder and I'm telling you it's easy to demolish. It's easy to destroy.
It's very difficult to rebuild. It takes time. It takes resources. It takes, you know, thinking, and, it will take a while. It took Polish people 9 years, but as you remember, like Walesa, 1999, 1989, 1989, the Berlin Wall goes down, the Iron Curtain gets broken, Soviet Union collapses, and Poland becomes the freest country on earth at that time. There was this period between, you know, 1980s and 2000 some, you know, before this big lie where Poland was absolutely doing amazing. It was fast growth capitalism, people were, really doing great.
So those villains we're dealing with, they know history and they understand what they cannot allow to happen. In order for them to win, they have to destroy people coming together, town hall meetings, Tommy coming to speak to Calcutta. That's unacceptable. We have to send a message to scare other Tommies from coming. That's what they're doing. And that's why it's up to us to rise up and say, yeah, they've arrested me 16 times. I had I faced over 120 court cases and over 360 citations and here I am laughing in their face. I mean, come and get me. Right? I'm not hiding. I did not come here with security and, you know, probably listening to our conversation. So what? Let them learn some good things. Maybe some of them will be saved.
We have spies in our church. I'm being monitored all the time. I'm in court still. So when when did you come when did you come to Canada then?
[00:39:44] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Poland gets free. When when did you arrive in Canada and why? So my father escaped in 1989
[00:39:51] Artur Pawlowski:
to Greece. And then, he called the family. He says, that's it. I'm done with Poland. I I didn't wanna deal with with communism at that time. That was still before the freedom. He comes to Greece and he calls us to come. So we join him the next year, the whole family, and we started to rebuild our lives. And that's where I started to work, for, you know, rich people building houses. So that's what I did for a living, land development and houses. And then Canadian Embassy called us and they I will never forget this meeting in Canadian Embassy, we spent 5 years in Greece and the officer said because they knew we had money, we had, you know, things and cars and all of that stuff. They said sell everything you have, come to Canada. Canada is the freest country on earth in Canada. No one will ever persecute you for your fate. It's like now it's so ironic that, we heard those words, we decided yeah that's the land we wanna live in and, where we wanna have children, build a house, you know, plant a tree, buy a dog. You know, just hey that's the land I wanna die in, you know, this American dream where a man can work hard, achieve something beautiful, and leave a legacy, a blessing for the next generations. So we arrived here in 1995 and at first I was not involved at all. I went back to business, started building houses for for rich people again, and I knew there's something definitely wrong with this country but didn't I did not really care at that at at that time. I knew it's very corrupted, which is a different corruption than I experienced in Poland. It's a different corruption than I experienced in Greece.
This corruption is what with white gloves. It's hidden. You don't see it, it's not in your face but it's there. You bring bribes just like you did in Poland. You do the same thing. I was bribing police officers, I was bribing politicians. Here. Here, Greece, Poland, you name it, the system is the same. And as a businessman you just do what you need to do to to make a living, right? Of course now they hate me because I went to the other side. I'm exposing them. I can tell you how much a mayor took for which project because I was I was there, I know. They they cannot stomach me because I used to be them. I used to be part of them. I was never a bad man. I I never hurt people. I never I've never stolen from people, but that was part of the system. I was part of the club, elite club. I used to own a magazine and media. I was in the media. I I could eat in any best restaurant I wanted, you know, open doors. I had interviews. I
[00:42:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Was this before you found God? Yeah. Before I got serious. Before you found God? Yeah. So this so so you've come to Canada, you're succeeding. Like most people, your passion is probably making money and succeeding. That's right. And whatever you have to do to make that money and succeed, people do. That's right. And you become part of the club that's that's in that process. When do you find God then? When does that change? Well, I,
[00:43:00] Artur Pawlowski:
I met my wife in Greece. She was a born again Christian. Amazing, fascinating woman that I could not get out of my head. If you know her Is she Greek? No. She was Polish. She's Polish. And, she fascinated me because she have seen the world totally through different glasses. So I was telling her the world is evil. People are like wolves. They're like sharks in the middle of the sea. When they smell your blood, they will just kill you. So I saw people as bad because I've seen so much corruption, so much evil, police beating people, abuse of power. So my worldview was humans are awful. Stay away from them. They're awful people.
If you need to do business to make money, do business and and just withdraw yourself. But she says, no, they're beautiful. I don't I will never forget the moments with her when we went to, you know, to see friends or whatever and she would always look at another man and she would always find something good. I would always find something bad. She would always find something good in that person. I said look what, you know, this guy is. But look how wonderfully he talks to his wife. And, you know, she always looked through those Positive. Positive. And she was telling me about this God. And I said, hey, listen.
I grew up in under Catholicism. I've seen corruption, the priests, girls, poker game, wasting kids. It's it's worse than outside of the church. I don't wanna have anything to do with this God. If those are his representatives, I don't wanna have anything to do with that kind of a God. Of course, I did not read the bible. I thought that because they say they represent god, that that must be about god. But she says, read the bible. God hates the same thing you hate. He hates this hypocrisy. He doesn't stand for it. And so finally I did. It was a process. It took 7 years. What year is this? It was, When did it start? And it started in 92. Yep. And then it ended 7 years later. It took 7 years. I'm a very stubborn man. I I am more stubborn than all the donkeys combined together. I'm tired of eating. I've
[00:45:08] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
noticed.
[00:45:09] Artur Pawlowski:
I've seen. So 99, I finally took the knee, to God and I said, God changed my life. I was a drunkard. I was a very heavy drunkard every day. And we Drinking alcohol? Oh, yeah. Okay. Beer during the week and, heavy liquor whiskey, weekends to a point that, I didn't know what I did many times. Like, it was driving, of course, sport cars and stuff like this. 24050 on the highway, like, bad things. We used to do those, speeding, you know, who's faster and races and stuff like this on the streets. It was horrible. And most of the time I was so drunk I didn't know how I got home.
And, many times I would be awake and holding toilet puking all night long. And I felt horrible. I I did not know why I am behaving this way. And she was fighting for my life, but, it was a process. And, and one day, I took a beer, I didn't open it, and I put it on the table. That was 1999. That's where everything changed for me. And I didn't open, and I look at this beer for 3 days. And my wife, on the second day, came to me and says, should I call a doctor? Because you you look like you lost your mind. And I said to her, I'll never forget that. I said, I don't understand what happened to a man like me. I was supposed to do great things in life, but I'm a loser. I had money, but I was a loser.
And I said to her, I am a slave to a bottle. How that happened? I look at her and say, how did that happen? That man like me becomes a slave to a bottle. I don't wanna be a slave to no one and nothing. I wanna be free. So I never opened it. That was 1999 and I'm telling you I have become free and, 2000 we reconciled with my wife and and you know I stopped doing even business the way I was doing like it was completely clean. Nice. If I had to bribe someone, I would not do the job. Spiritually clean? Completely. I fixed my entire life, got reconciled with my wife, 100%. She got pregnant and then our first son, Nathaniel, was born and that shook me big time because he was born dead with a heart on opposite sides, smashed lines.
A huge huge story. They did a documentary on this. Nathaniel in Hebrew means a gift from God, and our first born son was born the same day I was born. And that shook me big time because at that time, I didn't care about money. I wanted to fix my life completely. I stopped drinking 2,000. So 6 months after I stopped drinking, my son, our son was born with such a huge mess. And what happened was he had a hole in his muscle and through that hole, bowels went up and smashed his whole upper chest. And the doctor said he's not going to survive. There's no way he can live. So they asked us to unplug him. But you see that's where fate of my wife comes in. She says, no way. We'll fight to the death. If God takes this kid, it will be his choice, not the doctors.
And she started to pray. I've never seen more dedicated, focused person on in my life. Every day she called every friend. There was prayer. She read the Bible to this little boy. He was on the machinery, so huge and little tiny baby. It was unbelievable. Anyway, it takes me a couple hours to tell the story. Fast forward, God healed the kid against every expert in the land. They said, they took me to the to the room with my wife, x-ray room. At that time, there were x-ray rooms. And, 24 years ago. And they said, we we cannot explain what happened. It looks like your god held your prayers. We've called your son a star baby because this is a baby that should not be alive but is living. It should not be breathing but is breathing. It's like a baby that came from the star. So we called your son a star baby. What happened was within few hours, a heart went to its natural place and the lung I have a surgeon report the lung was not there at all when they opened him up.
Few hours after our prayer with me and my wife, the the heart moved to its natural place and the lung appeared, and they could not explain it. The machinery was fighting with the body of our son, so they, they removed the pipe just for a split of a second, and they said He breathed. He's breathing. Like, this is a medical impossibility. So, that that I think that moment changed my entire life. I'll tell you what happened at that moment. I realized that there are certain things that are more important than money. That there are certain things that are more important than power, than political friends, and this whole, you know, sport cars, and Hollywood style and palaces and swimming pools and all this garbage.
Family, God, faith, freedom, those are the things worth fighting for and and and life is not worth living without them. God and family is the most important thing. So that changed my entire perspective. I still went to business, I still did business and it was quite successful. I had office in Bunkers Hall. Bunkers Hall is the most prestigious place in the city of Calgary. I, own number of corporations and development company, building company, media, all kinds of different things I was doing. And then 2,005 and part time I was working with the homeless people.
In 2,005, I walked out of the business. Literally, I packed my stuff from the office. I walked out, never went back. I left 1,000,000 of dollars. I lost 1,000,000 of dollars, lost my houses and everything else. I walked out of the business, never went back and I dedicated my entire life to homelessness, to take them off the streets. Because you see I was pretty good at what I was doing. I was pretty good when I was doing this part time. And I thought to myself, what if I just dedicate my entire life saving those people? I'll probably save lots of people instead of doing it part time. So that's what I did. And, within 3 months, I took 600 people off the streets.
Within 3 months. And then guess what happened? Government happened. In 3,005. Wow. 2005, I had my first police officer. What for? Well, I was doing this already for years.
[00:52:14] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So So whilst you're having a successful business, on the side of doing your successful business and successful life, you start hope helping homeless people how? Soup kitchens. Yeah. Soup kitchens, going to the streets, taking them off,
[00:52:26] Artur Pawlowski:
getting them apartments, hiring them into my company. My first homeless person that they took off the streets, I hired him. I rented him a place to live. I even sent him to Europe. He has never seen his grandchildren ever. He was an alcoholic all his life. And then, have them to get out. You gotta remember at that time, I stopped drinking so I had a powerful story
[00:52:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
of you don't need that stuff. Of recovery. Do you think that was part of your recovery? Do you think helping these people was part of helping yourself?
[00:52:59] Artur Pawlowski:
Maybe.
[00:53:00] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
You can look it that way. Because only people who go into recovery, to maintain recovery
[00:53:05] Artur Pawlowski:
they they have to help, are they saying? Yeah. I was I quit cold turkey. So I didn't go through withdrawal. I didn't have to. I prayed and God completely healed me. And right now I have friends that drink alcohol. It means nothing to me. It was just I don't have any oh, I'm scared. I'm around people that are drinking. Not not a nothing. 0. I don't even have thoughts about this. But since 1999, I started to help people. I would take them to dinners. I would organize dinners in the church. I will pay for everything and, you know, just help in that kind of a way. Every week we would go to the streets, we would buy, you know, 100 pizzas and just give it to the people and then cheer them up. I would bring a pickup truck, put speakers on top, play some Christian songs, you know, give a message of hope, tell them, hey, I was once with you and now I'm free and you can be free as well. You know, just positive messages. And, in 2005 I started to do this full time. And as long as we were a small ministry, no one really cared. So you had a church at this time. You're running your own church?
We had our own church. I was a pastor already, part time Okay. Until 2005. 2005, I became a full time, clergy. Okay. And so, when we were a small mission if you will, a small soup kitchen, police was there downtown but they would say hi, he was super friendly, no issues with, Bylo services. No one really cared until we became very, very successful. Of course, I was very naive at that time. I didn't understand. So when, 2005 comes, I'm already I have 250 volunteers at this moment, 7 locations. We're really saving lives. We're we're doing impact in the city of Calgary, and I started to do ministries, in other countries and other cities as well. Started about 40 minutes like this. And 2005 police shows up at our soup kitchen in hell.
It was in hell. It was in a ghetto, American ghetto where on our right was 50 prostitutes with pimps and on our left were 50 drug dealers. People were shooting each other, knives, mortars, rapes Which which is this? Calgary. In Calgary. Okay. Under the bridges, in downtown. It was it was horrible. And, I was told that police refuses to come here because they're afraid. So I said, well, that's perfect. That's where I'm going to, you know, build our church right in the middle of hell because the the darkest the place, the the light shines brighter. I mean it's, you know, so that's what that's what we did. I brought 4 big speakers, huge giant cross and barbecues.
And when you bring food, people start to show up, huge lineups, hundreds of people. And, we gave them a message, very simple message, a repetition of the same message. You don't have to die a slave. You don't have to die a prostitute. You don't have to die a drug dealer. You don't have to die an alcoholic. You don't have to die a hateful, bitter, unforgiving person. You can actually God can turn your life around. He did it for me. He did it for him. He did it for another guy, for, you know, for this lady. And that that was the simplicity of of our mission.
And we end up in the papers, all over the papers. Businessman leaves business and helps poor and, you know, street church because that's the ministry it's called street church grows on the streets and and and they covered very positively, believe it or not. Now now it's a shocker, right, because they hate me. But at that time I was a hero, literally, by the media but not by the politicians. So the politicians got involved. The mayor, Dave Bronconi, I was the mayor at that time. He he got involved and I was labeled as as this person that just disturbs the neighborhoods. Why? Because of the speakers, because of noise, because of, congregating hundreds of homeless. But again You're doing it all on the street? I was doing it on the streets in the places.
That's right. In the places that no other people would would even come. Okay. And, police with the bylaw services showed up and they said, well, there is actual law. Here is a shocker because I read the constitution, and I read the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada, which is part of the constitution that starts with the preamble. And the preamble states, whereas Canada acknowledges the supremacy of God and the rule of law. And it outlines all different things that are fundamentally guarantees, including food.
And they said to me that there is actually a law that was passed in the municipalities that giving free goods and services is illegal. Giving free goods, so your sandwich is illegal. You're breaking the law. And then you're praying for people. So I prayed for people in public, In public parks, well that's against the law as well because you're giving you free services. You're a pastor, therefore you're giving your services for free contrary to the law. It's like I could not believe it. Then they said to me, you also are distributing Bibles, right?
Yeah. It's a church, that's what we do. Well, that's also illegal because there is a law, giving away printed material is prohibited by law. So gospel tracts, Bibles, That's 2,005. So I had a choice. You know why I do what I do and I'm moved and I'm I'm I'm shake a ball, just just keep plowing? Because having faith, being able to resist tyranny, it doesn't start right away. It's a graduate process. If you didn't stand for something good 10, 20, you know, 15 years ago, you would never be able to stand for what happened 4 years ago. Never. It's like
[00:59:34] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
It's good to hear this because we're gonna get on track. It gives us an understanding of why you was the man that stood. So, why do you think they've done that in 2005? Why do you think they wanted to prevent you feeding the homeless, giving the message of the gospel, and turning people's lives around? Why would why would the mayor and the local council not want that? Because they hate competition.
[00:59:55] Artur Pawlowski:
There are a number of things. I told you, a few minutes ago that I was very naive if I thought that the shelters and the government helps the poor. Right? The 1,000,000,000 of dollars. You know how much money is designated to fight homelessness in the province of Alberta every single year? $230,000,000.
[01:00:13] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So they maintain them? So, you know, when I was, imprisoned,
[01:00:18] Artur Pawlowski:
twice a day twice a day, every inmate in a country gets free drugs, Fentanyl, cocaine. Every single day, twice a day, we were offered the most crazy, heaviest addicted,
[01:00:33] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
addictive drugs. People go into prison. I've seen I've been through the prison system in the UK. People come in clean and then they leave on prescription drugs. Yeah. Well, that's the purpose. Why? Because it's a revolving door. It guarantees
[01:00:45] Artur Pawlowski:
you clients. It's a business. Yes. We have people to understand. I've seen it. Yeah. So homelessness is is the same thing. Again, you gotta remember, Tommy, I didn't know that. No. She's not naive to it. I was very naive. I thought the government is good. I mean, I knew they were crooks, but for the personal reasons, but I could not I would not even imagine how evil those people are. They're monsters. They're not humans. They're monsters. And,
[01:01:13] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
so they come to you in 2005 and they tried to stop you doing what you're doing by quoting laws. What's your reaction to that? So,
[01:01:21] Artur Pawlowski:
I had two choices. Are you familiar with the man Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yes. So Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born with all the muscle and he became the superstar. Right? Like, he came out of the mother's womb and he was fit like this. And no. It took him his whole life. He was building, building, building. Actually, if you look at his story, he was a normal boy. No muscle. Nothing. He was quite a fragile young boy. But he had a dream, and he started working things out. With faith, with doing good, it is the same way. 1st, you gotta do the first step, and 2005 was that my first step.
I had a decision to make. Either I will bow before the wishes because they told me shut your shop, that's how they called the church, Or we will ticket you. And I'm thinking, okay. Ticket.
[01:02:12] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I'll fight them. I decided to fight them. So So when you took all your tickets, they first started in 2005? 2005. Okay. I thought all your tickets were due for COVID. It can't count.
[01:02:22] Artur Pawlowski:
2005. And I called the lawyers and, I called the church. I was still part of a big denomination. All of them said to me, you can't win. All of them. The lawyers, the church, a Cherokee, denomination, and they had 1,000,000, tens of 1,000,000 of dollars and they said no you cannot win with with the government, so quit. But they're telling me to stop saving lives. How can I do this as a Christian? Those people rely on me. I'm the only source of their food. I feed those people every single week. If I stop feeding them, they will die and it's on me, not on government because I'm scared.
And, they said, well, you can't win. So I'll never forget this moment because it's a moment that leads you to a bigger moment and that bigger moment leads you to today, why I do what I do. Well, first of all, I love God and and second, I I love the people, but also it was a process that made me the man I am today. And, I called the media. And remember, at that time, they liked me. So they showed up, all the media. I became international story in 2005. Russians were writing about this. Okay. It was all over all over the world. Koreans were writing about this story that this ex businessman is being hunted down for feeding the poor, for doing good in Canada out of all the nations.
And, I did a big splash. I hit it hard, as hard as I could. And so I'll never stop. They'll have to shoot me dead, but I'll keep feeding the poor.
[01:03:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Period. And I'll keep preaching the gospel. Where did you get the money to feed the poor?
[01:03:59] Artur Pawlowski:
Oh, well time as a child? At that time, I was still, you know, I was in a business. I just left business. So I had using your own money? I was using I used everything I had. You're using your own money? I was using my own money. And then, when people started to learn what I do, I mean, right now, it's a machinery, truckload every day. Every day, we're feeding people in the city of Calgary every day. Businessmen support you? Business people, grocery stores. Oh, wow. Organizations, private people who bring stuff. It's it's it's a huge endeavor right now that feeds thousands of people. But at that time, I was, I was using my own funds and I, did a press conference and they said I'll fight them until Jesus comes back. And so that enraged them, and they took me to court.
And you know who took me to court? Mayor, the politicians, and shelters.
[01:04:56] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
The other shelters. The other shelters. Who were the other shelters controlled by?
[01:05:00] Artur Pawlowski:
Drop in center and master seat. Who were they controlled by? Government. Government because you gotta remember how the you know, you have to keep it in mind how the system works. $230,000,000 every year designated to fight fight homelessness. Where is the money? If they are coming forming a lineup in our soup kitchen outdoors, why they're not being fed indoors? Why they're coming to me because everything is stolen from them? Literally, everything is being they've been raped. Homelessness is one big corrupt business. It's a huge cow.
It's a it's a milk cow. For every local council. So here is how the system works. For every homeless, there is an allocated amount of money being given by the government. More heads, it's like cattle. More cattle, more money. Less cattle, less money. And here comes Arturo Polowski with volunteers. I don't take any money from the government. I'm doing this for free, and I'm very successful. So I took 600 people off the streets. That's 600 people's less money for the council. Not only that. There is 600 people less for drugs.
[01:06:15] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Drugs is a minority system. $1,000,000,000
[01:06:18] Artur Pawlowski:
business. So every, homeless person on average, okay, on average uses a 100 to a $1,000 a day worth of drugs. That's why there are drug pushers as well. They they they they become addicts and then they become drug dealers because they need to support their addiction. Now multiply this by 600. It gives you 1,000,000 of dollars every single month that someone somewhere was losing because of my activity. So they activated the politicians. Politicians came cracking. Politicians activated the police. By law services, they came to scare me. But here is the problem. I am a Polish immigrant, and I used to be a martial art expert, of course, when I was young. I black belt, and I used to train police officers, martial art. I, I used to be a professional boxer, when I was young. Okay? I wouldn't fight right now, unless I have to.
So I'm a fighter in heart, in spirit, in mind. So I said I'll fight you. I have no means and I have no political friends anymore, but I'll fight you. And I did the press conference and unleashed absolute craziness. So I, got tickets after citation after citation after citation. So now we're in court, but I'm still doing what I'm, being told I cannot do. So the arrest came. You know, I became the 1st Canadian in the history of this country to be arrested for publicly reading Bible in a park without amplification. You know that? No, really? 2,006. 2,006 was domestic for preaching the gospel. For reading the Bible. For reading the gospel. Not even preaching. Just reading it to 6 of our parishioners in the public park, Tom King's Park. So I, 7 police officers came.
I was arrested. The officers told me, we don't want you to read the Bible here and it's a public park. I said, why not? Well, because we want you to go to another park. I said, well, if you wanna go to another park, you go to another park. I like this park. I'm staying here. They don't like that. So so they said if you don't go then you will be arrested. I said fine. That's okay. And this is gone in 2,006? 2,006. So I got arrested. And, you can still watch the videos on YouTube of my arrest. The officer forced me to walk backwards. They he he pushed me backwards. So I'm walking backwards. I didn't know why. Later in the court, proceedings, I learned that that's what you do to the most dangerous terrorists. You either bend them or you force them walk backwards. So that was my introduction to the justice system.
And, I faced the year of imprisonment for reading the bible in Canada. I won
[01:09:00] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
and that You would have faced so they took you through the courts where the possible outcome was a year of imprisonment. Yeah. You won the Seven criminal charges. Seven criminal charges. And you won the case? I won the case,
[01:09:10] Artur Pawlowski:
and it went viral around the world. 2006. It was crazy. And they're not gonna be happy about that? No. So now I have powerful enemies. Not only they couldn't shut me up, now I have become kind of a celebrity in a circus, you know, in certain circus, you know, churches and and other places. And also, I'm still fighting them in a court for feeding the poor and I'm not stopping. So they unleashed everything at their disposal, over a 100 court cases, a 3 over at that time, 320 citations, tickets, and I have been charged with everything you can imagine. I was charged with distribution of printed material. I was charged with giving free goods and services. Stunning. They said when I feed the poor, I am distracting motor vehicles. I was charged with a disturbing peace. I was charged with having illegal signage. Illegal signage was Jesus loves you.
That was the illegal sign sign. I said, why? Well, it's offensive now. In Canada, the name of Jesus is offensive, and we are considering this as, you know, disturbing peace and having an offensive signage. I was charged with placing material on the ground. I didn't even know
[01:10:26] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
there are laws like this. There are made up stuff. But there's when you say there's law, this is how they're implemented. Because would those laws be implemented now against Muslims giving out grants?
[01:10:37] Artur Pawlowski:
No. No. No. So at the same time So it's politicalization. Every other community so so here's what I said to them and during the trials as well. I said, I don't mind laws. I'm a law abiding citizen. I immigrated to this country because of law. I just was sick and tired of corruption. I didn't wanna live in a country that's corrupted, where a cop can come and force you to pay him. So I came to Canada because I believe this is a country of law and order. And freedom. So I am all for law, but I am for equal application of that law. So if you're telling me I cannot do this, but you're allowing others to do the same thing, I'm going to oppose you. I'll fight you. Because law should be equally applied to everyone or there is no law. It's lawlessness.
Now you're telling me that those people are better than me. There are elites that can't do this and I cannot because I'm peasant, I'm a slave. That's unacceptable in any democratic society. So I reasoned with them, but they had an agenda and I had a target already. 2005 to 2015, 10 years, I faced over a 100 court cases. I was in a criminal court. I was in a QB Queen's Bench. I was in Provincial. I was even in the courts of appeal. I faced attorney general. I faced multiple mayors, multiple premiers. I faced multiple counselors. Sometimes I fought 7 lawyers, in a trial. My longest trial, 3 weeks for feeding the poor.
I have faced so many trials and meetings, pre trial conferences and appearances in the court, that I spend literally more time in court I know. Than in my home or in the church as a pastor. And they drained me completely from my resources. 1,000,000 of dollars, my properties I had to sell. And, they ruined me financially to a point that the city of Calgary sent me a letter that they're going to foreclosure my home because I could not afford to pay taxes. So that's what they do. The process is the punishment. They take you to the ringer hoping that you quit. But you see, again, I am a Polish immigrant, And I don't think there are more stubborn people on earth than the Polish immigrants that live through this hell.
And I have vowed that I will fight them until Jesus comes back. So 2015, I win. How? Shoot story. Court of Appeal. The judges sided with me. They said I have right to feed the poor, and I have right win all the historic cases, you've you've won against that, all of them? Hundred cases. Okay. So you've lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, got it? No. No. No. No. I I I pretty much won all of them Okay. Except few. Okay. And, those few that I lost in the lower
[01:13:40] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
court, I won in the court of appeal. Explain to people though who are watching this, because what's it like spending that much time in court? What's the drain like? What's it you're rather than concentrating on feeding the homeless and saving lives, what are you concentrating on?
[01:13:55] Artur Pawlowski:
Surviving. That's what it is. It's just you're constantly thinking, because the arrest is with you everywhere, everywhere you go. I was hunted down, literally hunted down. I had officers following me. I had undercover following me. I had reporters following me. I was, constantly on edge, never knowing. So imagine this, Tommy, you have a 5 year old kid, the one that survived, 5 years later and he looks through the window, I go to feed the poor. I'm not going to sell drugs or, you know, buy guns and sell them or, you know, do a robbery or steal something. I go to feed the poor to save lives and he turns to my wife, to his mom and says, Will daddy be arrested again?
You know, you live with this constant
[01:14:48] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And your family can't. And your family.
[01:14:51] Artur Pawlowski:
You never know if you're going out, if you're coming. You gotta remember also I was dealing with gangsters, I was dealing with drug traffickers. They put price on my house multiple times. I was physically attacked. Guns, pistols,
[01:15:06] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
knives. Who was physically attacking you onboard?
[01:15:09] Artur Pawlowski:
So when the message of freedom, the message of Christianity is a message of freedom. So when a man like me comes, and not just me because I had, you know, others with me And the drug dealers aren't happy because you're taking people away from the drugs. That's right. So they put a price on my head. The drug dealers want those people hooked on the drugs. You're getting them off the drugs. They're not happy. They're making money off the I'm interfering with the business. So I'm not only interfering with the government's business. I'm also interfering with the with with the bad people's business. So I'm interfering with, prostitution because, of course, my message is very clear. Stop doing what you're doing because you will die. They die of AIDS or you will die, you know, they will use you and will throw you like a filthy rag.
Stop using alcohol, because when you're drunk, you do stupid things. Don't don't use drugs because then you completely lose control. And we were very successful, very successful. So they put a price on my head. And I'll never forget this one time. So I have I'm under the bridge, about 7 of them come, knives out already, and they told me they told me that I'm going to be assassinated. And so they come and do what they wanted to do. And they move, and I'm thinking, oh my god. How I'm going to get out of this this mess? I mean, it's a serious situation, 7 people with with weapons. And, suddenly police shows up, and they block the entire street. They bring German shepherds.
They command them to bark so it's like huge noise. Police everywhere, everywhere. And I'm right there with the barbecue feeding the poor and I was on the back of my pickup truck preaching to the people. Police comes and they say, if you don't stop feeding the people you're going to be arrested. And they say, I cannot do that. I look, there is a huge lineup of people that are hungry. And you're telling me I cannot yeah, that's illegal. You cannot do this. It's against the law. And I said, well, then you'll have to arrest me because I'm not stopping. So I was arrested. That's what saved me actually. In a weird way, I was arrested in front of those gangsters in a very spectacular way. I was arrested. My brother David was arrested because he was filming the police. He didn't do anything. He was just filming there And, and, ex drug dealer, ex drug dealer that used to be part of the gang, I got him off the streets and he stood between me and the police and said, you're not arresting my pastor unless you go through me. So they went through him very quickly, slammed him on the hoodie of the police car and, and we got arrested, taken to police, charged, criminally charged.
[01:17:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And, This is unthinkable. A
[01:17:59] Artur Pawlowski:
couple hours later we were released on bond and, Sunday the gangsters came. So that was Friday. We were arrested on Friday. Sunday the gang came and the leader of the gang came and I said, oh my God, he's going to kill me now. And he comes to me and gives me a bear hug. And he's like, what's going on here? And he says, we watched what the cops did to you. If they hate you so much, you must be a good guy. I could not believe it. Because they respect? I got their respect, like I could not believe it that actually what they did, this evil that was done to us actually saved my life. So, fast forward, the officer in charge of this sting operation became my friend. They're like the high up cop. Become your friend? Because he was coming to our church for 8 months to listen to me. So for 8 months, undercover, he comes to the church to listen to me preach.
[01:18:54] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Working. So he's there as a police officer. He's there. They send him as an undercover police officer to infiltrate your church to find something against you.
[01:19:01] Artur Pawlowski:
And and, yeah, hate or whatever. And 8 months later, he comes to me, and he says, if I knew who you really are, how amazing you are, I'll never ever arrest you. And there's more to the story. He became our undercover cop within the police, and he was telling us everything for years, what the cops were planning against me. Every everything that because he was so high up, he had access to the meetings and the memos and everything. He would be sending them to our lawyers and, or tell me, and we would go to the lawyers. And, I survived for years thanks to his
[01:19:40] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
intel. Intel. But this whole this you're not a gangster. You're not a drug lord. You're a pastor
[01:19:48] Artur Pawlowski:
feeding vulnerable people and trying to save vulnerable people. Yeah. But I'm interfering. Now I know this. Of course, at that time, I didn't. I'm interfering with 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars business. This is just a business that the government that that the government allocates to $230,000,000 every year to fight homelessness. Now add drug trafficking business. Add that to to this whole thing. We're talking about lots of lots of money that, suddenly those people got scared. So fast forward, I win a spectacular case.
It was all over the news. I'll never forget the reporters because at that time they were working for the government and they were spinning. I'm the troublemaker. I'm the lawbreaker. I'm the bad guy. I was the hero. Now I'm a 0 because I dared to oppose them. I'm this troublemaker. And I will never forget the face of the reporters when the judge scolded the government, set me free with a huge total victory, their faces turned white, like, literally white. They everyone expected I'm going to lose. There's no way I can win, but I won. So from 2015 to 2020, they leave me be. And then 2020 comes, and they are the same people there.
[01:21:03] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Tell me what happens in 2020 because I had no idea of this history. I saw you. I had no idea of the history before this. So tell me what happens. Tell tell me what happens in 2020. So 2020 shows up and, of course,
[01:21:15] Artur Pawlowski:
I'm I'm a happy camper. The government left me a lawn. I got all my permits. The police You carried on feeding the homeless all this time? All this time and actually, since 2015,
[01:21:25] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I won all kinds of awards. You won awards for recognition around the world, I believe. Around awards,
[01:21:31] Artur Pawlowski:
from Israel, from political, places, from Caribbean, United States, Poland. I was invited to meet cool people, presidential policies, you you you name it. I started orphanage, orphanages in Kenya. Kenya. Churches. I started, all kinds of medical clinics. I'm working now everywhere because you see the money that was designated to hire lawyers and fight was freed. I was able to concentrate on the mission which is giving people hope and saving as many lives as possible. And, so I was able to do the I started about 40 ministries. I traveled around the world and, I did my best to inspire people to help others because that's what the whole thing is all about. You've got a sandwich, share it with a hungry person. It's not that difficult. You don't have to have a church, you don't have to have a facility, just be a human. And if you see a little need, just just address it. And if you can do it on a bigger scale, then do it on a bigger scale. But it starts with 1 sandwich.
With 1 sandwich with a hurting person. And just tell him, you know what? Your tomorrow will be better than today. That's the message. Your yesterday was horrible. Your today is unbearable. But you know what? Tomorrow can be good. It's up to you. And I can help you if you want it. It's because in the end of the day, it's their choice. If they wanna stay in hell, that's up to them. No one is forcing them. They can come to our lineups. They don't have to. It's open. Anyone can come in, anyone can go. I never forced anyone to do anything. You're welcome to come, grab your foot and go, but they stay because they wanna hear the message.
They wanna hear the music. They wanna see, this positivity. They they wanna be touched by by the messages of life because that's Christianity is a message of life. God was dead. He's alive, and he give you that life as well. He can set you free. So 20 for 20 shows up, the 5 years was amazing because I was able to do a lot of cool stuff. I was able to 100% focus on saving lives, and and I saved lots of people, lots of people in different continents, different cities, different countries. And then 2020 shows up, I I knew there is something going on. I've heard there's some kind of a virus going on, but, you know, when you work with the homeless people, when you work with prostitutes, with drug addicts, with with drug dealers, most of them have diseases. Most of them are messed up, and they have things. So you first, you're conscious.
After so many after 25 years, you don't even think about it anymore. You just you just do your job. Like like a soldier, like like a nurse, like a doctor. Not those nurses and doctors that we've seen in the past 4 years, but before that. Yeah. You know, they used to be the good people. So 2020 shows up and, I got this letter from the from the mayor. I have to stop feeding the poor and I already explained why I didn't because I send a reply to them and they said, you people do not make any sense. I am working with the homeless people, my all adult life right now. And I'm telling you, if you don't feed them and if I will not feed them, they're going to hurt other people.
Because not because they're bad because they need food. Because they have to get the necessity supply. How are you going to provide them food if you're going to shut down shelters and soup kitchens? No reply. So I kept feeding them. And guess what happened? I became the 1st Canadian to get a cover ticket. Because you see, they saw me doing this, and they said, now we can destroy him. We couldn't succeed in the past 15 years. This is an opportunity. And they 12 officers showed up. Winter, minus 25 or minus 30. Very cold. At your soup kitchen. They turned showed up at your soup kitchen. They came and, health inspector, Bylo Services, Calgary Police.
Big force. And they announced that I have to stop doing what I'm doing, and if I don't, I'll be arrested, and I will get 1,000,000 of dollars worth of tickets. And here's the first one.
[01:25:55] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
How much was the first one? 1200. 1200 tickets. So they turned up, here's a fine because you're not supposed to be having this Right. Gathering. They call it a gathering. Yes.
[01:26:06] Artur Pawlowski:
And I said okay, fine, I'll fight you. I fought you before, I'll fight you again. And, well, you will be arrested. Okay. Not the first time and not the last time, I'm sure of it. That's what I said. So they don't like they don't know how to deal with that kind of an attitude because most people are scared. But here is a Polish guy and, has been arrested so many times, ticket have you ever Tommy, have you ever met a guy with more tickets than I? I've never met a man with 360 citations, 120 court cases. I'm an expert in law right now. I probably would pass the bar myself after spending years in court.
[01:26:47] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
For nothing. For nothing though. For feeding the poor. For feeding the poor. And giving people message of hope. Message of love. So I kept feeding the people. Didn't stop.
[01:26:56] Artur Pawlowski:
So from the beginning of 2020 to December of 2020, I had police officers at every church service. Intimidation, harassment, tickets. So you have Threats of harassment. Even at indoor church services? Because this is No. Outdoor. Outdoor. So I pastor 2 churches. Yep. I pastor one that is called Street Church, streetchurch.ca. If people are interested, you can see it what we do. Oh, we feed people. We feed people. And then I also pastor a church in a building. That's the get out video.
[01:27:26] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
The steps This is the one with that went worldwide. Yeah? Yeah.
[01:27:31] Artur Pawlowski:
From 2020 to December of 2020, they were only harassing me every single week, multiple times a week on the streets, street change. Intimidation, harassment, threats, threats of tickets, many I got and then arrests. But I I I stood my ground, kept feeding people. The police were showing up, sometimes 8, sometimes 20, 30 police. We were surrounded by cops. Sometimes more police than the than the people we're helping because they got scared. And then December of 2020 showed up and I don't know I don't think in your country was as crazy as here, but the Canadian government, all levels, municipal, provincial, and federal came on television and we just had Halloween.
And the same people said kids have fun, be safe, enjoy your life, right? Few weeks later we have Christmas and all of those people, politicians went on television and they said we're cancelling Christmas. You're not allowed to have Christmas, no dinners, you cannot even have your brother in your home for coffee, no family coming together, we're canceling Christmas. So I went on television too and I invited people to the biggest Christmas celebration in the country. And I said, Triple A Steaks, gifts, and we're going to have just great time. And thousands. Calgary, December.
Christmas celebration. And a week before that, we had a family dinner. So I took a picture. I invited my whole family and friends, took a picture of huge table and I sent it to them and I said come and get me. Because the chief of police said that, they're going to send police officers to monitor driveways. If they will see extra cars, then they will break the doors and arrest people that had, you know, coffee with their family. It was completely canceled. Also, this crazy insane government declared that holy communion is also outlawed. You're not allowed to break bread. Holy communion outlawed. Church on Sundays. Also they said you're not allowed to sing.
Singing was outlawed in an entire nation. Canada? In Canada you were not allowed by law to sing. So what I did, you know, that's how I fight. I, had Lord's supper every single time we met and was live, you know, it was a live streaming. So you live streamed to a church event? Everything where you live streamed. And, we had a holy communion every single time. And also I told the
[01:30:11] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
If every church done this, they would have buckled straight away. If everyone done what you're doing Oh, they would be over. It would have been over. If everyone just stood up like It would be over within a week. Within a week. This is the message. This is the message. Within a week. And I was not hiding. I was live streaming.
[01:30:26] Artur Pawlowski:
I was sending, I was talking, I was telling them I'm not bowing. You wanna come and get me, come and get me but I'm not bowing. I want you to know I'm not going to play this Mappet show. It's a Mappet show, you're bloody liars and I'm not going to buy it. You're 6 feet apart is a big fat lie. I mean, I know biology. I I sit I organized
[01:30:48] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
not wearing a mask event, did you? I never wore that studio. Did you organize an event not where where you told people not to? Of course. Yeah. Of course I said,
[01:30:58] Artur Pawlowski:
you see Tommy I have children. I have 3 children and, there was situations The first one was Nathaniel? Then Gabriel, second son and I have a daughter Maya. Two boys. Yeah. And, having children, here's what I learned. I've learned that sometimes the most horrible thing happens. They do unthinkable. They poop and Pay more poop? They poop. It's a it's it's an attack. It's it's a biological attack. I'm telling you, I was scared to death when they did it. And most of the time, my wife was taking care of this horrible situation. But sometimes they would go shopping, she would go somewhere. And so first I would call.
And you notice right away, it's a disaster in a land. So I'll call my wife, where are you honey? And if she said, you know, 20 minutes, half hour, I would turn to the kids like we shall live. We'll survive this. If she said couple hours, I said that's the word doomed. We're not going to survive this attack. I have to deal with you, right? And, so you know what happens? You have to change and you gotta wash the kit and everything else. But, of course, the Pampers is not stopping you from smelling this biological attack on your life.
So I told the people, listen, you have to be brainless or have no brain whatsoever at all. If you believe that this is going to stop you from getting this thing in or out, it's 1,000 times smaller than the bacteria.
[01:32:31] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
This thing cannot stop it. Yeah, the mask and they told us it couldn't stop it at the start, so it can't stop it, then it can stop it. So,
[01:32:38] Artur Pawlowski:
I went everywhere without that stupid thing. In our church no one was wearing this. All our events was no one was wearing it except Antifa police and you know crazy people. But our Christians didn't. So what I did, I invited people to the biggest Christmas celebration in the land. Thousands of people showed up, media showed up And, I broke my record. 120 police officers, 52 police cars, anti terrorist SWAT team, chief of police, and a special, unit on bicycles. So they all came as well. And I was told that I did the untinkable. You you gotta remember, during that time, singing was prohibited, and I hired carollers, Christmas carollers, who were singing loud through the speakers for a whole downtown to hear.
And I end up with 15 COVID tickets for that single day. Took me 2 years to fight them, but I won. I won every single COVID ticket. Every single one. So that enraged them. Because now they've unleashed everything they had at their disposal, including anti terrorist, chief of police, tickets, intimidation, harassment, threats following me, intimidating my family, my children, taking pictures of my wife, my children with the telescopic cameras. They've unleashed everything. So what they decided to do, they decided to destroy my church because that's where my backing comes from. Right? That's where the resources are coming from. And they started to show up at our church building because I don't charge a penny from the homeless. We show up. We don't ask for anything. There's no collection plate. There's nothing.
We just do it. We feed them. We help them, and then we have a building. And in the building, you have collection plate, and you you ask people to to chip in to support you. And, it's live streaming. And so they blocked the driveway to our church. That's the beginning of 2021. So they took a whole year harassing, intimidation, and and trying to scare us. It didn't work, so they started to show up in our church building. They blocked the driveway, preventing the parishioners from coming to the church. So I went over there and I unleashed Artur Polozki on them. I was super hard, and I filmed it. Is this the footage is this the footage that went viral worldwide? No. No. No. No. It it went viral, but not in millions. It was it was big but, not that big.
And, it took me about hour to fend off those hyenas. Finally, they go. They come back a few weeks later and they were taking pictures of everyone that comes in and goes out, children, women.
[01:35:19] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So Let's have it right here. People are just coming to church on a Sunday here Yeah. For their communion. And that's all this is about.
[01:35:27] Artur Pawlowski:
And I was at that time, you gotta also remember we became very, very popular. We had thousands of people at our or rallies. Super popular. I was everywhere. I was doing shows and telling people to stand against this and I was reminding them about solidarity, how we did it in Poland. And I said we can copy paste and do the same thing here because we're dealing with the same psychopathic entities. And then April of 2021 shows up. And, in the morning, I turn to my left and I see masked people. You see, you gotta remember, I was puzzled, I froze for a second because in our church no one wears a mask, no one. And even if someone would come visiting with a mask, within the second song the mask would be gone because no one wears a mask in our church.
So they would take it off as well. And I see all of those people muzzled up like monkeys. And so I went to the pulpit, I had my phone at the pulpit so I took it and I hit play and I recorded it. And that was April. It was a Passover celebration, Saturday. And, because we have Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday church services indoor, and we have 3 times outdoor services as well. Plus, we do festivals and marches and other things. A baptisms every week in a river as well. So, I went to them, and during that time, I was preparing a message from the story of Exodus, let my people go, the Moses story, the Red Sea, you know, the plagues and so I that's what I had in my heart. I was just like, get out.
That's what I said, just get out. So this is the police invading your church? The police.
[01:37:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
This is the police. In 2021?
[01:37:20] Artur Pawlowski:
Yes. Police and health inspectors all masked up. They've come into your church building. Bylo services and some undercover people, which I do not know who they were. The health inspector was the top, like the top boss. She is a supervisor of all the Nazis. But you know people, have to understand why I call them those names. What did you call them? Tell us tell tell the people what you said to them. Yeah. I told them I, I told them first please get out. I was very nice but firm. Please get out. And they would not move. So I was a little bit more aggressive and I was walking towards them. Get out. It took me over 30 times to tell them get out. And eventually I told them that they are Nazis because they're acting just like Nazis, Gestapo of today.
And I told I called them communists. Why? Because they're unleashed. They already unleashed the same tactics that I saw when I was growing up. Fear, intimidation, propaganda. I'm telling you, I grew up under propaganda, but I have never seen a bigger propaganda than Canadian news right now. Because at least the communists were not pretending you don't exist. Those people right now pretend we don't exist. I just came from a big huge conference in Victoria and, there was some opposition. They only covered the opposition and they ignored everybody
[01:38:45] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
else. It's only one side. They're only given one side to the public. Just like COVID, they're only given one medical advice, not the counter.
[01:38:53] Artur Pawlowski:
Because they're only interested in lie. So I told them to get out. Eventually they leave and I told them don't you dare ever come back without the warrant. Because you have you gotta remember, they broke the law. They are the lawbreakers. Everything they did to us was against the law, against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, against the Criminal Code of Canada, especially section 176 which is 12 that that says they're not allowed to do this. You know you cannot harass, intimidate, or prevent a clergy while he's on his way to perform his duty, in the middle of performing his duty, or coming from.
You can go to prison for 2 years if you do that. And they did all of this. They broke every law in the land. Criminal court, charter rights, Constitution, you name it. They broke it but they were not happy. So what I did, it was just a few minutes. That was before I was ready to preach and what I did, I uploaded it to some of my channel channels. And I tell you, Tommy, I did not even think about this video.
[01:39:59] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I did my sermon. I was happy that they left and they didn't come back. I put my phone on and I was like By the end of your this is what I saw. And I think people generally, you hit a moment when the public were waiting. I was waiting. Everyone was waiting and watching, thinking, how are they doing this? And I think your fire and what you and how you've reacted to them probably was the feeling that everyone was waiting for.
[01:40:21] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. I asked a friend of mine, my member of parliament, why this video I've done some amazing things, I think. You know, I've saved lots of lives and I've done big things like 26,000 people events and stuff like this. And, why this? I mean, I was not super proud of me yelling at the coppers, you know. Like, that's not what I do. I don't wanna do this. Actually, Tommy, many times, I said to the authorities, please leave me alone, and you will never hear about Artopoulosky because I don't care. I only care about saving lives. That's my mission. That's my life's mission.
Leave me alone. You can think I'm crazy that I have wasted my life on the homeless, but that's what I wanna do. I'll feed them and I'll give them messages of hope and you will never hear about me. No. They would not. They would not. So when Can they help your message go global? They, they, the the media started to contact me. I mean, it's like the top, the biggest media outlets on earth started to bombard me to do interviews. So for the next month, outside of doing what I always do, feeding people, preaching in churches and stuff like this, I gave about 10 to 15 shows or interviews a day to the biggest outlets. Millions of views. It turned out that that weekend, this was the number one video played on earth. Over a 1000000000 views within the 1st weekend. It was the most popular video on earth at that time. Me
[01:42:02] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
with my funny accent. Now mate, if you think you've pissed him off from 2,005 to 2015, you've really done it now.
[01:42:10] Artur Pawlowski:
You're actually absolutely right because I called my friend It's international humiliation. And and I said I said to him, so what do you think? And he says You're a trouble If I was them no. If I was them, I'll just leave you alone. I'll pretend you don't even live. Just forget about him. They can't do that. But, I don't think they're going to do that. But if they will arrest you, this will be their biggest mistake. So I had lawyers of course. All this time I had lawyers on standby because I got tickets. And thanks to Ezra, Ezra Levant from Rebel News. Ezra
[01:42:44] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
just helped me out again. Go on, tell me what Ezra done. Yeah so
[01:42:48] Artur Pawlowski:
remember the first ticket I got for feeding the poor at the soup kitchen? I published this or I send it to someone. I don't know if I send it to Ezra or not but he got a hold of it. And he says, well, would you be willing to be part of raising funds for the legal fees for this experiment. At that time, it was an experiment of, fighting those funds. Fight the fines. Fight the fines. I was their first client. Okay. I was the first man They won 3,000. Because I was the first Canadian to be charged with this. And Ezra says, we'll do it. Let's do it together. So, we did. We ploughed together, and we raised 1,000,000, 1,000,000 upon 1,000,000 of dollars. And I'm super proud of this because so many Canadians were helped because So they won all of them pretty much. Right. 3,000 people who would find
[01:43:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
for going to parks, find for seeing their family, and then because the average person can't find these fines. No. The average if if the average person's left alone, you're you're screwed. You can't. You can't. Because you're gonna lose your property. You're you're in you're in trouble, but then when someone come to give us, that's how you 2 combined,
[01:43:53] Artur Pawlowski:
raise money, and then get people to So Ezra had the platform. I had the popularity. I was known everywhere. And the I mean at that point I was all over the place. I did tours and I was more popular than the Premier. When I was showing up it was a lot more people than the Premier would master to to bring. So I've done 10,000 people, rallies, con conferences, and, so it worked really really well, but of course that enraged the government. So 3 weeks later, guess what happened? What happened? The SWAT team shows up, anti terrorists. They know I have lawyers. The only thing they need to do is send a memo to my lawyer. And then you could hand yourself in, but then it's about sending a message out to the rest of the world. For people for for you have to understand how simple the system is, because I have been accused just like you that we're doing this for popularity stunt, you know, it's theater. No no no. If there is any theater, it's from the other side not from us. Because I'm telling you being arrested, at least being Arturo Polozki being arrested is no fun. They they they did so much damage to me that to this day I'm facing with the physical problems because what they did to me And your children have to watch you? Yeah. Your children have to see their father being dragged, but Yes. The weapon 3 weeks later. So, the only thing they needed to do is contact our lawyers, which they had already. They knew because they're they were dealing with tickets already with the citations, and they they could say, there's a warrant for your client's arrest. Can you arrange for your client to turn himself in? That's it. Simple. Right? I do my media outside of the police station, you know, my whatever, and then I walk peacefully to the police. No one sees anything. No one knows anything. I go in and I deal with my trouble, whatever this is. But they have chosen to bring anti terrorists to the church. Anti terrorists to the church, to the peaceful church assembly with zero violence history. We've never been charged with assault.
0. Nothing. The only charges I have is with me feeding the poor. All associated with me being a pastor. No criminality, no violence, no risk. No, 0. Anyway, SWAT team shows up, I'm already preaching, packed house, standing room only in a church, and someone yells, I'm already at the pulpit, I'm already preaching. And someone yells, Gestapo is here. So I'm thinking, okay, that's it. This is my day. I'm going down. And then I look at the man and this I was so proud of my Canadian brothers and it was just I've never seen something like this before. The you know what they would do? The the men in the floor front rows, they would take their keys, their wallets, their phones, and they will hang it hand hand those things to their wives.
And they said, if they come to arrest you, we all men will all go with you. 100 of men. That's power. That's how you beat those devils. That's what they don't like. Standing together as one. If one goes down we all go down. 1 is elevated, we all are elevated. That's the solidarity message. And, but they didn't. They realized they wanted to. But they realized it's just too many people, too many people. Hundreds of people inside, hundreds outside. This is going to be gun show. So what they did, they dropped something on the ground. They would not even serve me. They would not even serve me. Nothing. They dropped it on the ground and they left.
What did they drop on the ground? So they dropped later on because I was not served. According then to them, I was served but I wasn't served. You have to legally be served. They have to hand it to you. They didn't. They just dropped it on the ground because they got, you know, scared that there's too many people. It's going to be a gong show. It turned out it was a general Rube the crook, I call him, a court order that was done ex parte in a close court meeting without our knowledge
[01:47:52] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
We had a close court meeting about you and this was them serving you the paper for it. Hence, they didn't notify our lawyers
[01:48:00] Artur Pawlowski:
and they subjected me to this crooked judge's court order. His name is John Rook, the crook. I have given him the The big name. The the nickname. And, it turned out that if I will not stop, and again my crime is church, if I will not stop doing this horrible crime, I'll be arrested.
[01:48:19] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And I will be found in contempt of court, which is 6 months Then it's prison. Prison. Because they've gave you the court order. Okay. So I'm going through this now. So because they've managed to get the court order already, then if you breach the court order That's right. Then you're in contempt. That's right. So then they've got that, so then they can imprison you. So now now they've it's gone from civil to criminal. That's right. That's right. So, I'm facing this now. So so now,
[01:48:42] Artur Pawlowski:
I was not served. They said I was. And, people went home and I went, to a friend's car because I was told that the cops are everywhere. So I wanted you see, here is the thing. I wanted to avoid my arrest. I was not looking to be arrested. Being arrested and being Artopouloski is no fun because they always they always manhandle me. They always torture me. They always do bad things to me. So I was not looking forward to be arrested. And, I went into my friend's car, my brother David as well, and we took a different route to avoid, just in case. Okay. If they're waiting for me, but no, they catch up. So it's the footage of you on the motorway? And I was, in the middle of the highway stopped by anti terrorists. Anti terrorists came, I don't know how many, a lot.
[01:49:31] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And I was, This is this this the images of this look like it's a terror raid swap move. Swat swap teams. Swat teams. You're a priest.
[01:49:40] Artur Pawlowski:
You're a pastor. So they came to the window. They said, there's a warrant for for my arrest. I will be arrested. They turned to my brother David. My brother David was innocent. He didn't do anything. He's just my brother. And they turned to him, you're under arrest as well. So they arrested me and my brother David in the middle of the highway on my knees and with my with my hands like this. And they carried me because I said, if you're playing this game, how to become a Nazi, then do the Nazi style. I'm not going to help you. You have to carry me. So they did, but for that I paid dearly. They they handcuffed me in such a way
[01:50:17] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
there was brutal pain. So now they need to bend you a little way. They don't know what they're doing. They they it was a,
[01:50:23] Artur Pawlowski:
and again, I I used to be a professional boxer. I'm accustomed to pain. I was a martial art expert. Pain, it was every day. But the amount of pain that they inflicted me, I've never faced in my entire life. So what they did, they pushed me around, manhandled me, and they put me in a little paddy wagon upside down. So I was taken for a ride all around downtown in places upside down. So they placed me, my head on the ground Where are your hands? Behind your back? So my hands my hands like this. Handcuffed? Handcuffed, twisted.
[01:51:03] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I had Even just just so people understand, even if you got your handcuffs here and they put you in a wagon, it's because because of how they've twisted your hands. Yeah. It's all. Oh, it's it's it's unbelievable. And I'm And they can just one thing that they know if they bend if they bend your arm that way, it's agony. I'm over a 100,
[01:51:18] Artur Pawlowski:
kilos. Right? You know, when I was younger, I was not as big, but now a 100 kilos on my wrist, it caused over a 1 month of scars. Yeah. Yeah. Pain and blood all around it. So what they did, they pushed me to the panty wagon head down but my feet were sticking out. And, you know, I'm not a small guy. So they pushed, they pushed, but they couldn't fit my feet because I was upside down. And they said, one to another, we're going to charge you with assault. We will say that he kicked us and stuff like this. So we'll keep piling up and I say, oh, god. How am I going to get out of this if they will lie that our poor soldiers making accusations. Yeah. There's so many of them and they always say, yeah, he was kicking us. So I have them to put so I travel to the police, first to downtown for coffee. I mean not coffee for me, coffee for the officers. They took me for a ride. They stopped downtown.
I could see it because it was the high rises and, and they were multiple officers coming to the window. To have a look. Just have a look and laugh and and I'm I'm I'm I'm like this on the ground, my feet sticking to the to the roof. So that's how I was taken to the police custody and then, and then to the Remond. 3 days, 2 nights on concrete. Lights so bright that even if you And they leave the lights on? They leave the lights on at night? Yeah. On purpose. So 3 days 2 nights, I I could not sleep. I was taken to with my brother David shackled. Have you ever been subjected to the penguin march? So penguin march is Well, hands hands and feet both Yeah. And you've got shackled feet and you walk small steps like a penguin. So we're taken to the judge. The judge starts proceedings. His name is, Adam Germain.
So you've got John the Rooke, John Rooke the crook, and then you've got Adam Germain. Adam Germain starts the proceedings and says we're in the middle of pandemic and he recites CNN, CBC. And I turned to my brother David, we're doomed. The the this is a show trial. For for some of you This is a show because all of these actions are to send a message to them. It's a show trial. But for you, if you don't know what show trial means, it's where the accused is guilty before even tried, that the government decided that you're already finished, you're done. It doesn't matter what is your defense, it means nothing. You're already guilty according to the government. Judge or a jury?
It doesn't matter. We were before the judge, but it doesn't matter. It's all decided. Okay. So I was right. I went to the States. I, spent 4 months in the United States touring around telling Americans what's coming their way. So you spend 3 days in Vermont, what happens when you get to court? So the judge released us on bail. Okay. And, we faced, all those nonsense, charges. The charges were I've never even heard that you can be charged with something like this, but inciting people to come to church, officiating in illegal gathering, and participating in illegal gathering. The wording pay I always tell the people, pay attention to the words because those are identical words that the Nazis were using and the Soviets were using. Illegal gathering, gangsters, lawbreakers, troublemakers, bandits.
Right? During the Nazi era and during the Soviet era, people like me were called bandits. We were the bandits. We were the bad guys. No. No. No. We were patriots fighting for our land. No. No. We were the law breakers. We were the bandits. So identical, modus operandi, if you will. Fast forward, we were found guilty on all charges, and the judge gave us something that has never been done in the history of this country. He gave us a compelled court order. What's that mean? What that means is that every time we were to speak to another human being, either electronically in a church or between another human being, we were commanded by court to recite
[01:55:27] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
government approved script about COVID 19. So that any time you spoke publicly against the mandated vaccines or against the masks or against any of that, you had to give the government's give the government's narrative first? 1st. Yeah. So there was no other narrative because you were legally bound to give their propaganda I was bound upon my brother. Or given any evidence that count as it. Yeah. So,
[01:55:54] Artur Pawlowski:
if I didn't do it, I would be sent to prison for, disobeying a court order. Right? So here's what we did to my brother David. There was a press conference. Rebel was there and other media outlets, and we just heard, the sentencing. Right? A lots of money. We had to give up a lots of money.
[01:56:13] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Do you mind if I ask how much you spent legally fighting this?
[01:56:17] Artur Pawlowski:
1,000,000.
[01:56:19] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
1,000,000 of dollars already. The process is the punishment? Yeah. 1,000,000 of dollars. Understand this. I've lost properties. I've lost houses. I used to be very successful. I'm going from country to country here. And from anyone who stands up, this lawfare Yep. This lawfare, which is what it is, is the same everywhere. But I want you to know I don't regret a thing.
[01:56:36] Artur Pawlowski:
I did what my God was telling me to do and I did it for you and I did it for my children because, if we as men, if we as fathers and mothers will not stand up for the children, they have no future. So I don't regret a penny. Okay. In my heart, I'm completely clean. I know that if God wants me to have something, he's going to give it to me or he's going to touch, somebody's heart, and, they will send it to me. But I did what I know I was supposed to do. If I was to do it again, I'll do it gladly. I would not even think twice. So, here's what we did. That one?
Court, media, recordings, the whole 9 yards. I grabbed the microphone and I said, judge, I want you to know I'll never ever obey your order. Yes. I will never obey your order because I'm not a liar, and I'm a pastor, and I'm not going to lie to my people. So send your sheriffs. I'm here if you want, and you can arrest me. But I want you to know I'll never obey you or not once. My brother David grabs a mic and he says, Judge, I hope you're listening to me. You can take your order. You can shove it where the sun doesn't shine. And I turned to him. He's like, you just finished us off. And Oh, look at the problem. I did it the fastest way. You did it the Polish way. I think we're now doomed. But they didn't come. So it was all intimidation?
[01:57:59] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I never,
[01:58:01] Artur Pawlowski:
never obeyed
[01:58:02] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
the order. The order. And they never implemented the punishment.
[01:58:05] Artur Pawlowski:
Never. So it was all show trial to try and scare people because you stood up to it and challenged it. Yeah. Actually, the first thing I did right at the court, I breached the court order right away. And right there, I mean, they could snatch me, They could imprison you straight away if you vote in court. Yeah. But I said I can't. The world's watching at this point. As a as a pastor, I couldn't. Yes. He's like, I mean, am I a professional liar? Do I work for CNN or CBC right now? No. I do my best to tell people the truth, and this crook wants me to lie to the people. I cannot do that. At this time,
[01:58:41] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
how many people are watching this? Is is this blown up? Is this Oh, millions. The world are watching? Millions. So you've how do you do you think, like, they weaponized the the courts against you? Did you weaponize the public against them? Oh, every single time, every single ticket, every single court, every appearance,
[01:58:56] Artur Pawlowski:
I already went, and I streamed it. And I talked to the people. Public opinions with you? Fox News was millions upon millions of views. I was everywhere. War Room, Bannon, Sky, Australia. Everywhere that they have big massive outlets I was speaking So the public opinion was on your side? Our side was on my side. Yeah, yeah. If it comes to a general public, they were scared. They were completely scared. Now there's more people on our side than Now they're seeing the light. 2 years or 3 years ago. People aren't sure. Yeah. They still many believe that this is real and I'm a grandma's killer and all that stuff. So fast forward, I was charged multiple times with my brother David for attending a rally for, showing up. At that time, we had thousands upon thousands of people coming every week. We had 10, 15,000 people on the streets of Calgary during the protests.
And, I have become Canada's pastor. They called me Canada's pastor. I was traveling everywhere. I was all over Canada. I was travel I was in Ottawa, Canada. They did 5,000 people sermon. I was in Saskatchewan. I was in Manitoba. I was British Columbia. I was back and forth. Calgary, you know, cities around Edmonton. I did a huge rally in the legislature, which end up on the news for 3 months. 3 months they were talking about it. So I'm like getting out there in their face openly resisting, like openly. No muzzles, no social distancing, no, a I think every country needed a pass to offer. Everything they were telling us to do, I did the opposite. If they told me not to sing, I hired more singers. When they told me no all songs was the solution to it. Yeah. That's all the solution was. You cannot, have a dinner. I invited a whole city for a dinner. Like, literally, I invited a whole city to come, free food, barbecue for everyone. Oh, so many people showed up.
So that that was my way of dealing with this lie. I call it the head on collision. You know, when I see the devil telling me something, I I I I fight a head on collision. Bring it on. You wanna fight me? Fight me. Fight me. You know, I'm here. I'm not running. I'm not hiding. If you Google my name, my home address pops up. I'm not hiding. I have the same cell phone since business. 20 years, the same cell phone. I'm not hiding. If you wanna get me I remember the Muslims called me once and they said they're going to chop my head off. Before? You know, just because I'm a Christian and I'm vocal and they hated it. And they said you're going to die today and we're going to chop your head off and they said, today? Yeah. Okay. So I gave them my home address and I said I'll see you in 15 minutes.
And they never showed up. That's how I fight. You will not intimidate me, because I'll face you and then see what happens. Who knows what happened? Because, you know, they think that, I'm just a a regular Christian, a regular pastor, but I'm a fighter. I was trained to fight and, I'm not going to allow any weasel or hyena or wolf to intimidate me. I'm a lion. You know, when I was young, I'll just show it to you. So here is a here is a picture when I was young. You know now, of course, I lost a lot of hair and you know what I mean? It's like, come on.
I'm not going to be intimidated by, by, you know, like, I had a lot more hair at that time. But just lions do not bow before the hyenas. We eat them for breakfast. That's why I was, you know, I have been eating very well. But going back to the story, we were getting momentum. They were losing grip on the narration. They were losing grip on the story, on on everything, and we were really getting momentum. We were scaring them. Truck convoy comes.
[02:03:01] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
So all of this is before the truck convoy. Yeah. Do you think This is like just Do you think this built pie? Do you think this played the part into into
[02:03:10] Artur Pawlowski:
Oh, 100%. The truck convoy I don't I don't wanna sound arrogant, but I'm telling you It wouldn't have happened without this. I think that all of this This inspired people. It was a lost award. This story was everything is marvelous for months. Okay. Not days, for For months, they were talking about. If you Google my name, it's like thousands upon thousands. Canada was the Canada broke COVID. Canada broke the vaccine mandates.
[02:03:35] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
The Canadian public Yeah. With which went on to the truck has gone for it. Okay. So bring us up to where we're at now. You've lost the court case. They've gave you the court order. You've defied it and defied it and defied it. And I appealed it. And appealed it. So I just And I won. You won the appeal. Okay. I won the whole appeal, and they had to give me all my money back. Okay. And when when was when was this? That was about the year after. So 2021,
[02:03:58] Artur Pawlowski:
we lose the the court. Yep. And then, 2022, we win the appeal a 100%. Vaccine mandate come in from Trudeau? Yeah. They came 2021. Okay. This was unleashed in 2021, and then more and more people started to rise up. And at that time, I was called Canada's pastor or freedom pastor. Sometimes they refer to me. And again I'm doing shows every single day, multiple times a day, big outlets. So this is just getting momentum. More and more people are joining. You know I didn't hear about some of those people, that now are very well known. They were not activated, after a few years. We were already fighting a few years when I started to see others. I wanted to tell you something because sometimes when people watch those crazy videos of me yelling at the police, and I've done it many times because they attacked me, attacked my family, attacked our church. They have attacked the people that I was called to protect.
And that's why I did what I did. I told them to get out. I called them names because I was doing everything in my power to shake them as well. Here is a crazy part of the story. In the city of Calgary, we get about 1,300,000 people and over 2,000 police officers. Just over 2,000 police officers. Now imagine, Tony, tell me if just over 2,000 people would say no. That's it. That's it. What would the mayor do? Excuse me. Those Not the best 3,000 people. Those people are a bunch of cowards. Those politicians are cowards. I know them. I know them by name. I used to hang around with them with prime minister many times, I was always on other barbecues. I know those people, they're cowards. Without the help of the police they are would not do anything. So just 2,000 people. If those 2,000 people would simply say I'm not following illegal orders. I'm not going to hurt other people. That's insane. I'm not doing it. It would be over. That's it. And this is how this is how simply we could have all stood up against the whole city. That's certainly it would be all over. We would win and so many lives, countless lives would be would be protected. So, going back to to the story, at that time we have a momentum. Canadians are rising up and the more the Trudeau's government, the globalist government is pushing, the more people are rising up. The more they are arresting us, us, the more they are making as a spectacle.
In other words they were making an example out of us. God was making an example out of them. The more they were doing crazy things, the more our, our views, our, you know, story was getting out, our validation for what we were doing was being explained in in this weird way of by what the government was doing against us, which because it didn't make any sense. It did not make any sense that you could go to a restaurant and you can eat, but you have to walk muzzled up. And when you are sitting, then you can take it off, and that's perfectly okay. It just doesn't make any sense. The virus doesn't work that way. It just it's not just flowing here. It goes It was just about controlling and letting you know we're controlling. All of it. It was just Going to a swimming pool in Tenerife where you had to wear a mask Yeah. To walk across the swimming pool. Which which is insane, especially if you know, how this whole thing works is that moisture is creating bacteria That's what you used, don't you? And fungus and all other crazy things that are really dangerous to the human body. So they're arresting us left and right. I got arrested with my brother David in the middle of the highway. Arrested coming from a rally with my wife by RCMP. RCMP is like American FBI. I was arrested by With your wife, did you just say? You was arrested with your wife? My wife was there with me. We attended the rally. I was arrested and charged with criminal harassment.
They charged me criminal harassment. And, I attended a rally, peaceful peaceful rally, with my brother David and my son, Nathaniel. And, on the way home, got arrested in the middle of the highway. Again, me and my brother David charged with criminal insanity. Again, participating in legal gathering. Mischief? Not mischief yet. I was charged with criminal harassment. I was charged with, participating in legal gathering and not having, you know, distance and not wearing a muzzle. I went to United States for 4 months, called my lawyers from Montana, and I said, is there any warrants for my arrest? So just psychologically, I would like to know what I'm, heading into. No. Nothing. It's clean, everything. So I boarded a plane In the middle of the in the middle of, of coming here to Calgary, they activated 2 warrants.
Have you ever Tommy, have you ever seen anyone being arrested on the tarmac? Of an aeroplane coming off the plane? I've never seen anyone being arrested on the tarmac except Hollywood productions, movies. Never. So when you landed here from America, they were waiting on the tarmac of the plane? So they were waiting. I stepped out of the plane. Right in the middle of the tarmac, I got arrested on my knees, taken to the customs where the Calgary police, the finest, were waiting like rats. You were arrested by the immigration, the same people who arrested me, don't they? Yeah. Customs. They arrested me and, paraded me through the whole tarmac, the plane here. See, they don't understand. See, when they do this, because they they made that public. Yeah? They they think they're sending a message to everyone, but they're not. I think that has the adverse effect. Yeah. But they don't get that because what they wanna do, they wanna make an example out of you to scare others, but they don't understand how It's a fine line between making example and making a martyr. That's right. So they were turning me into a martyr, international martyr. And, I was taken to the customs.
They were going through my staff. I I I'll never forget is they look at me as I was being searched, and they said, well, look everywhere. It's like they thought I was smuggling something. And I told them, I'm not smuggling Donald Trump Trump. He's too big. He would not fit into the luggage. Well, I wish I could, but you know. I wish I'd bring him to sort out Justin Trudeau. So, I was taken to to,
[02:10:28] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
jail and, charged. Charged with what? Criminally.
[02:10:32] Artur Pawlowski:
Criminally charged? This time, charged criminally with not wearing a muzzle. I was charged criminally for, inciting people to come to an illegal gathering. I was charged criminally for officiating an illegal gathering and participating in illegal gathering and baptizing my daughter. So my daughter at that time, she was 13, and I baptized her in a public river, in a public park outside. They charged me criminally for having a church service, illegal gathering. So this was piling up many over 4
[02:11:07] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
years. Was that you provoking
[02:11:09] Artur Pawlowski:
them? No. I was just living my life. Good. I was just so listen,
[02:11:14] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I would not allow them What I mean is, I don't mean that in a negative way because I think it's great. What I mean is No. No. I I I understand what you mean. You're pushing their buttons. Or you don't know, you're testing the boundaries to prove to people we should be free to do this. I I simply
[02:11:30] Artur Pawlowski:
was saying to everyone, I'm not going to bow Yeah. Before this insanity. This is insane. If this was a real crisis, then I would do everything. I would do my part. But when you're telling me that in the name of health I cannot save lives then you're just fat big liar. And I'm gonna test you. And I'm not going to obey this because obviously you're lying to me. If this was real, Tommy, if this was a real emergency, then I would be highly respected by the government and helped because I was doing what the government is supposed to be doing. I was feeding people, I was helping lives, I was making sure that they are fed properly so they would not get sick. I should get a medal from them, not the ticket.
So fast forward, I get in and out of jail, in and out of a court. This whole machinery is just really really moving forward. They're piling up charges more and more and more, hoping that one day I will not get on get out on bail. And then the truck convoy comes. At this moment, I'm really very well known. They called me and they said, pastor, would you become our pastor for the truck? For the truck For the truck convoy. And I mean, I'm telling you they didn't have to ask. It was a great honor for me to be part of this movement. And, they came to Calgary. And, I did officiate, church service in the evening and activated my whole church community.
We fed them, we brought truckloads of food, and we loaded loaded them into Ottawa. They went with stuff and food and water and everything else we could master.
[02:13:12] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
My wife with the with the ladies cooked amazing chili for them. And so we did a church service in the evening and I did another one in the morning. So people don't understand. So the truck convoy, they they put in a mandate that truckers are gonna have to be vaccinated as well. And then there was a massive truck convoy from across the whole of Canada joining together heading to the Ottawa. Yes. And and they come in their 1,000. So they want you to be their pastor. This is happening at the height of COVID, at the height of restrictions. This is the resistance. And this become the resistance January of 2022. January 2022. And this becomes symbolic to the world. This was this was stand up and the Canadians are standing up. The whole world is watching Canada. So here's what I saw, because in my trials, this was popping up all the time. The crown prosecutors
[02:13:57] Artur Pawlowski:
like Stephen Johnston, and I'm naming those devils. Good. Those pathological liars. Stephen Johnston is a liar, and he's in charge of prosecuting all the prisoners, the political prisoners, to this day. Yesterday, I was with, 2 boys from Coutts that are still subjected. 2 years in prison already from that era because they dared to stand against the mandate. Stephen Johnston and all those crooked judges and,
[02:14:24] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
so These people are heroes that stood up. These people who you may not know their names, you may not know their stories, but they've lost their houses, they've lost their Tanya O'Lanig and Chris Carbot
[02:14:35] Artur Pawlowski:
are still imprisoned, by Trudeau's government and conservative government here, that keeps them in prison. Pedophiles, bank robbers, drug dealers, human traffickers are let out on bail. Violent criminals are the next day on bail. Those men have no criminal record. They have no, violent, prior convictions or even allegations. Nothing. 0. And they were denied Dale multiple times because they were charged with, conspiracy to commit murder. They were charged with conspiracy to murder police officers at the truck convoy, which is insanity. Insane. But going back to the story, I did church services.
They started to roll to Ottawa. I came home and I said to my wife, I'm, I'm flying there. I'm going to Ottawa. And you know, thank God for wise women. We need them. My wife always laughs and says, you know why more men are born? Because you just kill each other. You're just stupid. You go into places that you shouldn't go and you do stuff that you shouldn't be doing, and god knows that. And she said to me, if all men will go to Ottawa, who's going to stay here and organize stuff here? The resistance here. You've got 15,000 people regularly coming to the protest. Who's going to be here with them, for them? Who's going to lead them?
If you go and everyone else goes to Ottawa, what is going to happen here? Here we got the momentum, here it's huge and it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And you know what, I really wanted to go to Ottawa but she made sense and I stayed and I organized rallies and participated in big gatherings and then the Coutts happened. Coutts is a border between Montana and Alberta. It's a point of entry. And some farmers with few truckers decided to block it. To go over there and send a message to to draw to to those government and conservative government here that they're going the American border? Yes. Okay. That they're not going to put up with, with the mandates anymore because the mandates were demanding an experimental injection of something that has not been tested
[02:16:50] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
into their body. It's not being unreasonable. No one's being unreasonable.
[02:16:55] Artur Pawlowski:
Apart from the government. So I was okay to drive the truck for 2 years under COVID. Everything was fine. And I remember they were viewed as heroes, the truckers were heroes. And suddenly I'm the villain. Nothing changed. I'm alone in my track. Alone. But now I need to be vaccinated. And now I need to put this in. Why? Why? Right? So those were valid questions. So they decided to to do a slow roll and eventually stop. And I received a phone call that, there is a lots of them, like, thousands of them, and they are really desperate because the police showed up with machine guns and are pointing machine guns at children playing hockey, street hockey. And it's like you could see the tensions. And so they called their pastor and they said, would you come and just cheer us up? Because they know I always bring music, I bring musicians, I bring food, you know speakers, and you know I'm not just preaching, I'm you know, I'm bringing the whole entourage of things. A beautiful atmosphere. And we're always joyful and we always sing happy songs and it's not like It's a real church service and we have Lord's supper and people really feel the energy, the power.
So I I said, sure, I'll come. I took my son, Nathaniel, took our worshipper, took speakers, brought food, and, went to Milk River. Milk River is about 15 kilometers from Cootes, and RCMP officers decided to block this whole street so we could not enter Cudz. So we did a church service in Milk River. It was great, thousands of people, We had a great time. Our worshiper was singing hymns. We did a national anthem. I did a sermon. RCMP was videotaping me, taking pictures. I don't care. I always, all my trials were my own evidence because I live stream everything. So most of the things that they were accusing me of, they took it from my YouTube channel, which later on government took it down and other places. So anyway, I did the church service in Milk Reaver, and I went straight to the RCMP officers, and I said, listen. I would really like to go to Kutz. Will you open the barricade?
And they said, like, okay. Sure. I was shocked. I'll tell you why I was shocked because I was already prepared. I had a helicopter waiting for me, and I had a big combine. I had a huge rig. I already had another, route to go to Kutz. I would enter there, this way or that way, but I was really surprised that the RCMP opened the barricade for us and I went to Coutts. Coutts is a little village and has one restaurant, Smugglers Inn it's called, and that's where all the trackers and farmers were gathering. So I entered there and we set up speakers. We did Lord's Supper. We did national anthem. We were singing hymns, and I delivered 90 minute sermon.
Ninety minute sermon. During that sermon, I told, the people to stand for god instead given rights. I told them to do it peacefully, no guns, no swords. I told them to do it for their children, for the future of their children. I told them what I saw under solidarity movement with Lake Walesa. I told them we have the power, they don't have enough police officers to stop millions of people. I mean the moment you decide it's over, it's over. Give me enough Canadians and I will give you liberty. Give me enough Albertans and I'll bring back the sanity. I mean, it's so easy if we are all coming together. Unified. That was the message. Oh, I didn't know that simple message is going to end up, for me in this crazy way.
Police was there. Undercover were there. Not a big deal. I have nothing to hide. Filmed the event, published it, and, called few of my politician friends, good guys, and I told them, well, can you help me to facilitate a sit down with the provincial government and the truckers to validate the protest? Because you need to force them kind of in a peaceful way And let's solve the problem. Yeah. So they can listen. But they wanted to crush them instead. No. They They don't wanna listen. They don't wanna They don't wanna come and validate the message. So what they did, when I announced I'm coming back to the to the border with politicians this time, a friendly politicians, I step out of my house and Tommy, I'm telling you I've never seen something like this before. There were so many police cars stopped, blocked the entire street.
Police officers are running towards me yelling, Artur Polaskar, under arrest. That was RCMP. That's like American FBI. That was undercover Calgary police, uniformed Calgary police, detectives, special anti terrorism unit, special SWAT team with cameras. There are whole 9 yards. Every force in the land except soldiers at your home? Came to my house to arrest me. And, I was charged with inciting mischief which has 10 years, criminal offence. And I was charged with terrorism. So they charged me with terrorism but they did it in a, clever way. They charged me with this new law that they invented which is interfering with the crucial infrastructure under the Defence Act, which is like blowing up pipes or, you know, doing crazy things like this. Well, I have never blocked the street.
I came to Coutts, the roads were open. I left the Coutts, the roads were open. Never once I told them to block anything. I was there in a capacity of a clergy, and I did my job. I cheered them up, and I told them that god is on our side. Stand strong. Don't quit. Don't give up. Have hope. And stay stick together. Hold the line. And, interrogated for hours, and then the shocker came, stripped naked, taken to prison, solitary confinement.
[02:22:52] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
You was from this? And, no water.
[02:22:55] Artur Pawlowski:
And the next day, they placed me in metal cages. I didn't even know the Canadian prison system has metal cages. The metal cage is no bigger than a guy sitting like this. Literally, like like this. You're sitting in a metal cage and you can't you can't move. I'm a pastor. My cry was opening my big mouth and saying, phew. What is really? To the people, and I end up in a metal cage like an animal in Canadian prison. In Canada. And just do people understand this? And if this was not good enough, I was, I was forced to go to the washroom, watched by officers. Is it to humiliate you? Yeah. I've not Then I was stripped naked again. I've been there. Did you have to squat? Then, squat over. Then of course then, they took me to the x-ray machine and, multiple times and then back into the metal cage. So that was going on for hours and hours and hours. I was kept there suffocating like, you know, you were passing out because you're in a very small place, extremely hot. You're sweating, no air, and you're passing out, in and out of consciousness.
So eventually they put me in another cell and I spent in isolation 40 40 some days. Every night, they would take me from my cell to a concrete cell. No water, no washroom, no bed. Just a concrete floor? Just concrete. It was hard. It was hard. 1st pew is not bad, but after a while, your body aches because of the heart. Even just laying. I know Yeah. And you know when you lay on this side, it's like you've bruised it from laying harder. And it's like you can't lay on that side, and you can't lay on that side. You can't lay on your side. You walk a lot in a circle. You can't lay down. And, there were so many stories. I was, the the good thing that happened is I was really treated like a hero by inmates. But we have testimonies already of 5 different inmates that testify to our lawyers that the guards were giving them incentives to murder me in prison. Yeah. They're encouraging. So our price is put on your head in the prison system. They'll allow them. It gets rid of the problem for the for the system. So you're lucky. Yeah. You're lucky. So, but You're lucky that you probably earned their respect previous to landing in there. So the the they would come to my cell and they would I hope you didn't have jihadists in there. And and they said, they they were Muslims. I'll tell you a cool story with Muslims.
And they, they said, aren't you that pastor that gets arrested all the time? I said, yeah, guilty as charged. Well, you're a hero, man. Good that you stood against those, you know, and they call them names and all that stuff. So immediately when the word got around that I am in solitary confinement because I'm this pastor that it's on the news all the time cause they have newspapers, right? They I was in a you know my face was all over the news all the time. So I was literally, I became a prison hero. When I was being escorted from my solitary cell to a concrete cell, they were banging on the doors every single day. Free pastor art.
Free pastor art. And you got a whole prison system yelling and screaming at the guards. Free pastor art. So that freaked them out because the inmates said, watch your back. Anything happens to this man, watch your back. That's good. They signed they signed a petition to the director of prison, and they said, if you don't release this man from solitary, you're going to have a problem. Next day, I was released from isolation. So I How long did you do on isolation? 40
[02:26:41] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
tell people what it's like, just so people understand. What's it like to be solitary confined for 40 days? So how was like coming in there? What's it like how how long are the days? When does day become night? When does night become day?
[02:26:52] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. So you you don't know because there's no watch. There is the time is I can describe it this way. On this side of prison, time is your worst enemy, and inside, time is your worst enemy. So here, because we're always trying to catch up, there's never enough. Right? We do so many things and the time goes so fast. Over there, it drags its feet. You there's nothing to do. I was locked in a small little room and, they would not give me my reading glasses,
[02:27:27] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
and they confiscated my bibles. Was it cold? Warm? Hot or cold?
[02:27:32] Artur Pawlowski:
I was extremely hot in Calgary. Just bad. So hot that we were half naked. Like You're just sitting in your pants all the time. It's just sweating. You're sitting and you're sweating because it's so hot. We were told, for all this time that air conditioning is broken. But then I got another treatment, but I'll get into it. So finally when they released me from isolation and I was able to have interactions
[02:27:59] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
with other inmates. And this just to confirm quickly, they locked you up at the start of the convoy. This is when the convoy is going on. So they want you out of the way. So here is the funny part. They want you gone? I was
[02:28:10] Artur Pawlowski:
the first person the first to be arrested for truck highway. Okay. So that so you, as a pivotal figure, they needed GONE. I was the first one to be arrested before Tamara, before Chris Carr. They got rid of all the top people straight away. Everybody else would they started Taurus a week after. Okay. They got rid of me first. Okay. And, I could not understand this at first, what was going on, but then it clicked. I was giving people hope to keep going. They needed to get that out and because of the international attention. So when I was driving to Coutts, while I was driving, I was on 50 radio stations That's why they let you go there.
[02:28:51] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Do you think this is why they let you into Coutts? Probably too. Because they had someone to get you on. That's probably open the gates. Probably,
[02:28:57] Artur Pawlowski:
probably this was already planned. And again, I don't regret. What I saw what I saw over there was absolutely beautiful people loving each other, hugging. There was no color. Color didn't matter. Background didn't matter. It didn't matter where you came from. We were Canadians. People are bringing their cats, their dogs, their horses, feeding each other, praying with each other, crying with each other, singing. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen on Canadian soil. I am so super proud that I was able to taste at least a little bit of that feeling, that being proud, of being a Canadian. I think for the first time in my life, I look at the Canadian flag and I said, I love you.
You're awesome. Canada, you're amazing. As long as you have people like this, this land will not perish. It was absolutely amazing thing. So, I'm I'm in prison and, finally, the they released me from isolation. I was able to do church services for the for the inmates. I think I broke some kind of a record because I had every single inmate at my church service. The church is usually empty in prison. In, including, Muslims and, atheists, drug dealers, men for hire. You're dangerous. You're dangerous. Everyone was there. And, it was so funny because God gave me this authority that I was scolding them when they were not behaving. I would come to them and they're hardcore criminals, gangsters, tattoos, you know, stuff. And I was like stop this immediately. I mean I'm not going to allow something like this happening. And they're like and they look at me into my eyes and they could not figure it out.
But but but they did They respected it? They respected what what I did and they respected that I'm not afraid of them. You know, it's like they met someone that that stands his ground no matter what. And they loved me for it. So after a few days, I had all of them coming to myself for prayers, for words of encouragement, and I had Muslims coming to me. And here's a funny part of the story. He said, we are being tormented in ourselves. We had demons, and we cannot sleep. We're tormented. Can you pastor? Can you come and pray and cast all those demons out? And of course, if you have been in prison, in Canadian prison, you're not allowed to go to another image cell.
But I mean, I said, what are you going to do to me? Lock me in solitary or prison? I was already in prison. So I went, I prayed in their cells, I casted out the demons, and the next day they would come and said, wow, this is the first time that we had a great night sleep. Thank you. Those Muslims were actually giving me their time on the phone and if you know what I'm talking about. You get so unlimited time span in the We had 2 phones working for the entire unit. Phone is a commodity that is precious. People are killed over it. So I walked out of prison, cell because I was locked.
The moment I walked out, they would call me and said, here's your phone. I mean like I was I I felt sometimes like I'm some kind of a El Chapo, Al Capone in prison, like this high ranking
[02:32:16] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
gangster. It shows a level of respect that people They had because there's people who respect someone who stands up. Even if they don't agree with them on
[02:32:22] Artur Pawlowski:
politically or They had huge respect for me. I was able to lead some of them to the Lord. And how long did you I was able to try with them and How long did you spend in prison? 50 days. But this is not the end of the story. I was so successful with those inmates. I had every one of them on my tables, bible studies, talks, church services, that one day they come the guards came and they said, you have to follow us. I said, what for? There's someone waiting for you. And so I had no choice as you know how it is. I followed the guy and they took me to admission and there were sheriffs waiting for me. I was shackled right on the spot, kidnapped by the sheriffs. I was kidnapped by the Canadian government and taken to Maxpot. You know what the Maxpot is? Maxpot is a prison for the most dangerous terrorist community. Security prison because because of the influence you was having in the jail. Yeah. They couldn't have you having that influence and they had to separate you from I had, I had such a huge influence on them that Positive influence. Entire prison was banging on the doors when I was being transferred, when I walked everywhere. It was like, boom, like you see in the Hollywood movies. Also, my son and my wife and my brother, David, were staging the longest ongoing protest outside of the prison in the history of Canadian prison outside. So I was preaching on the inside. They were preaching on outside, the whole church, sometimes hundreds of people, big rake, big pickup trucks. And, and then they know those semi trucks would come honking.
My wife would rent 4 huge massive speakers and would blast the speakers on the entire prison. And the prisoners were jumping, dancing, singing. We turned this whole thing into something that they have never seen before. A massive positive from a negative. And a 100 You're gonna be in there isolated, feeling terrible. You're in there living living. So we're helping helping it. She wouldn't have. Sometimes when I was released, for I I was allowed half hour to 1 hour out and, of isolation. So I would grab the phone and sometimes the timing was so perfect that I would call my wife. She would put me on speakerphone. You talked to the people outside the jail. I was I was preaching, telling what is happening to me, to the guards. There was 100 of them. Police, sheriffs, Calgary police, guards. They unleashed everyone. Everyone was there. They were so scared. Also, they did Jericho marches around the prison which has never been done before. Children, coming, families. It was incredible.
So every time they were doing this, I would be taken to ice isolation on concrete, so I would not see it. Twice during this time, the crown prosecutor came and offered me a plea deal. If you plead guilty to just the slow the the little just the you can go home, you can go home. Just the lowest charge, you can go home. Because then they justify
[02:35:22] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
you accepted that you've done wrong. They wanted front page out of Polarcin. This is why you said plead
[02:35:29] Artur Pawlowski:
plead guilty. That's what you say. Guilty. That's I said absolutely not. You know? There's no way you're going to force me to I I I not only that, I did interviews, media interviews from jail. So they shut off my, phone. So the Muslims came to my aid, and they were giving me their forms. Because there's an ORCA number, which is the inmate's number. You use that number with your voice activation and takes you to a different form. We have messed up their entire system. They never knew which inmate is going to give me a form so they started to beat them up. They were actually beating the inmates. If you give him a form, you're going to get a treatment. And they never stopped.
Never stopped giving me their forms. It was incredible to see this, the courage, courage of those prisoners. Because it's no fun, you know, being in the system. It's like the beast. So they kidnapped me because I had great influence. The church was on the outside. I was on the inside. I was the most popular inmate in the country probably. So they took me to Edmonton, which is 100 of kilometers from Calgary, and they locked me up by myself in the entire Max spot prison. Unit. There was no one. Hundreds of empty cells. Just you. And just me. It was matrix.
I've never seen something like this Freezing cold. It's minus 28 outside, and I'm sitting there. This you I don't know how to describe this unit. It was iron and a bulletproof helixi glass or or some kind of a glass. And you're sitting there and you're shivering nonstop. It's so crazy cold. So you're not allowed to talk to a guard. I was I received a letter that I am the most dangerous inmate in the country, and I am not allowed to have any interaction with another human being. No interactions. So I only could communicate, could not see a face. They didn't wanted me to see any human face. So I was only allowed to communicate with, guards through the intercom.
And they were, of course, watching me on camera, like, 24 hours. And I said, I'm freezing here. I'm I'm shout shivering. I cannot sleep. I'm freezing. I'm going to get sick. And, he laughed. And he said, at least you have fresh air. I was allowed out of the freezing isolation only for 30 minutes. Shower, a phone call. So I called my wife and I said my goodbyes. I think this was the first time in my life I realized I'm not coming out. I think they're going to murder me here. And they're going to say I had a heart attack or I froze to death or whatever. They're going to find something. I think it has been decided that I'm not coming out. So my wife my wife is brave and she's a real fighter.
Remember, she fought for me for 7 years, and she survived. That tells you everything. She unleashed everything she could and the lawyers sent a letter to the judge and they said everything I was saying. What is happening to me? And that freaked them out because the prison system is privately owned institution. It's a business. It's a privately owned business. So that scared them. And you won't believe what happened next. There is you that's why I wrote a book. It's called the lions lions do not bow. I wrote a book about this because it's so insane and so complex. So many things happened that I had to sit down and put this whole thing in the form of a book. Next day, I was taken by multiple, multiple, officers and they paraded me through the prison in Edmonton and they took me to a psych ward.
When they opened the doors
[02:39:18] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Psychotic as in healthcare?
[02:39:20] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. Medical work? No. No. No. No. Not medical. The psychology. It's a mental institution. Mental party. So I saw people jumping up and down, walking in circles. I asked officers, where am I? And they start to laugh. They said, you're in the wild, wild west. I said, what that even means? You're in a psych ward. So here is what happened. They broke every load that there is. They are not allowed to put a sane person without the evaluation of the insane people. They they care for the insane people. They cannot put the same person with insane people because the same person can take advantage of the insane people. That's the reasoning. So I spent a week in a psych ward against the law illegally.
And, it was quite funny because, in a mental institution, you have the biggest amount of time outside of yourself. So that was a good thing. The good thing was there were 2 TVs. In other places, no TV, for a few minutes only. Here we can watch entire movies. So I was super happy, I said okay, at least the time will pass, I'll watch some movies, you know, somehow survive this. Well I didn't know that, in psych ward you don't watch movies, you watch only 10 minutes. So 10 minutes and someone would jump out from the because they were laying on the ground and switch a channel. And then you watch another movie.
10 minutes, someone would jump and change. So I was there for a week and I watched maybe about 60, 70 portions of movie. Not even one full one. And it was crazy. They locked me with a schizophrenic, that chopped his brother with a macheti. They put you in a pussy. And they put him put me there so he would jump from time to time.
[02:41:23] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
He had some visions. Yeah. He's psychotic so he might think you're gonna kill him or you're a danger to him. So what do you mean?
[02:41:30] Artur Pawlowski:
During that time I was considered the most dangerous inmate in a country so I would not, I was not allowed to have a pen. Because you see, I was writing a book on the pieces of paper and my lawyer was smuggling the papers. So they decided they will turn me into the most dangerous inmate so I will not be able to write because they refused to give me a paper and a pen. So I was writing on the pieces of, of of prison papers. And, I walked to this cell with this guy and I see he has about 10 pens. And I said to him, you know, according to them, I'm so dangerous I'm not allowed to have a pen. And he jumps and says, oh, you can have mine.
So he gave me his old pen and I kept writing and I wrote a book in jail and thanks to our brave lawyers, she smuggled it out of the prison, and it's going to be published in August, beginning of September. It's already with the American publisher. Okay. And I'm telling you, I'm naming everything and everyone. During that time, I was released eventually on bail, and I spent a year and a half on house arrest. I was on house arrest for a year and a half. During that time, I had the Canadian government coming to me about 10 times with bribery. Trying to get you I had the offer of $2,000,000, before that even. I had offer of a guaranteed seat at the legislature.
So this conservative government that we have right now in the province of Alberta offered me if I keep my mouth shut, they offered me a guaranteed seat at the legislature. I could be a politician if I keep my mouth shut because I was You joined the club? Then I was offered a government job, $250,000, a year. I was offered all kinds of things, all kinds of things. When finally about that was going on for about 8 months to 10 months before the trial. When they finally realized that I'm not for sale because I told them I'm not for sale. I have been already bought by the precious blood of Jesus. I'm not for sale. I'm not gonna sell Jesus, my family for silver coins.
We've know we know how the store ends. Judas hanged himself. I'm not doing this. When they realize I'm not taking the offers, then I'm familiar with political fixers term. So political fixers are the people, very powerful, huge names that are doing deals behind closed doors for politicians. So they will see you, they will meet you, and they will bring you offers or they will bring you So the politicians stay clean? Yeah. So there is no connection. Yeah. You have to stop the politician but they will You cannot record them. Yeah. At that time I had a, premier herself called me and we had a conversation and stuff like this. I was offered all kinds of different things. Well, finally, when they realized I'm not for sale, they started to unleash the political fixers.
And the fixer's job is to fix the problem the politicians have. And they have all kinds of tools at their disposals. If you're not taking bribes, they will have compromised material. You know, you with kids or if you're married with some girl, you know, whatever. Whatever works for you. It's a honeypot, they call it. Or maybe you took something you shouldn't, whatever. But the problem they had, they have nothing on me because I don't do stuff like this. So there is no dirt. They couldn't find anything. They froze my bank account and they looked into my finances. So they tried everything, they couldn't find anything.
So then they went into blackmail and the coercion and threats. You know, during that time they lit my house on fire. In the middle of the night, they lit our house on fire. Your family's your family's house was set fire to you? 3 kids in the house sleeping. I'm sleeping. My wife comes and says, I think you're going to be arrested. I I what's happening, I come out of the bedroom 12 at night or 1 in the morning. There's so much police lights everywhere. So I look out and say, but this is weird. Normally, when they come to arrest me, because they came to my house multiple times, many times. Detectives, police, bylaws services, everyone was in my house.
Before I said I'm going to be arrested. But I said they're firefighters. Usually when they come to arrest me, there's no need for ambulances or firefighters. So I went out to check it out. And then I saw smoke, you know, fire. I saw I think the neighbor's house is on fire. And then I went back, it was our house. Someone lit our house on fire in the middle of the night. They vandalized our church for 3 months. They lit our church on fire. They burned our children's bus to the ground. They unscrew tires in my pickup truck. And, a friend of mine at that day was driving and the tire just took off on its own. I was physically attacked. I was threatened multiple times. I had Antifa coming to our home,
[02:46:39] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
dressed in black. Why would Antifa be against you? Antifa works for the government. I just I know this. Yeah. Just so people understand, Antifa The brown shirts. I'll take for the brown shirts of the government. You come out against any of the government narratives, and they are ordered to attack. Yeah. Finally attack, finally scare, intimidate.
[02:46:55] Artur Pawlowski:
You know, some people will say this is, Farfetched. This is crazy. Well, if you are in Alberta, you will know that, NDP was a government before this one, And, the head security for the premier, Rachel Notley, is the head of Antifa in Alberta. You can't make this stuff up. But they're not even hiding this whole thing. It's it's craziness. So it was a scary time, Tommy. It was scary time. I had to look.
[02:47:24] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
It's a scary time because what have you actually done? See, I You stood up. I just said I just said no. Yeah. Yeah. And that and they have to send what happens next then, Arthur?
[02:47:35] Artur Pawlowski:
And, the fixers were scary, I have to admit. Because, if I tell you their names, your hair would stand up. They're the most powerful, vicious people in the country. They are the ones that work for, Putin, making deals with between Putin and Canadian government with oil and, what is Putin owns, the oil company, the Gazprom. The biggest gas company in the country. Right. So they they were the ones that are making deals between, Prime Minister's office and Putin. I mean those are bad people. They are very wealthy, vicious, very powerful people. So I started to receive phone calls from from them. And they said, listen, there has been a meeting between From Russians?
[02:48:22] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Yeah. Well You've got Russians threatening a Canadian citizen
[02:48:27] Artur Pawlowski:
on behalf of the Canadian government. So so they said, there has been a meeting between Stephen Harper. Stephen Harper, is our ex prime minister. Jason Kenney, the premier of Alberta at that time. And there was a meeting between, Pierre Polioff. Pierre Polioff is the future prime minister. It has already been decided. We already know that it doesn't matter if you vote or not. He has been chosen by the elites to be the next prime minister. So there is no free elections. And, I said what Because Pierre is being viewed as as the new hero as the female. He blew up as a good guy. Yeah. Seems like a good guy. Yeah. The the one that, threw Christine Anderson under the bus and said she's vile, evil, and, the one that didn't stand for us during the COVID at all threw us under the bus. The same one that his sister made 1,000,000 of dollars selling COVID tests. That's the same family. I mean, I agree to you. But most people don't know this. No. Most people just see the And they wanna image portrayed to the family. And they don't wanna know because it's not convenient. They see this big bad Trudeau as the villain, and they see another person as the hero.
And they think that if they choose the lesser of 2 evils or that hero, their problems are going to be fixed. But they're all the same. All the ruling parties, the NDP, the conservatives, and, liberals are all part of this evil that was unleashed on the Canadian people. So, for example, during the arrest, conservative government arrested more people, more pastors than the Chinese government during the COVID era. Conservative government, not the liberal. Conservative government arrested more pastors than the Chinese government during this time. Crazy, Yeah. It's crazy. It is crazy because you look at them and say, well those are the good guys.
And it turns out they're all bad guys. If you're in power at this moment and if you're not standing up for the people, you're part of the problem. But anyway, going back to the fixers, I asked them why Pierre Polyakov is part of this. And they said, well, because you are talking about the conservative party in Alberta, and you're exposing things that might hurt his next election. Because we have election next year. And this jeopardizes his, election. So they have decided to eliminate you from the board. That's what they use. They said we they they have decided to eliminate you from the board, and you have to pay.
They came with a solution. You give $100,000 to me, $50,000 to the char charity of their choice, and you withdraw yourself from public life for 2 years, and we will fix your problem with the judge because the judge is bought and paid for. The judge work the judge works for us. Gordon Krenke is his name, the judge. He works for us. And, that was going on for 3 months, and I've got all the recordings and everything of this. And, 3 months of coercion, blackmail, threats, and they said if you go out, pack your bags because you're not coming out. So they intended to assassinate me in prisons. That was a serious threat from very powerful people. And, and I am telling you, I prayed and I prayed and I said, God, do not allow them to kill me like this. I mean, come on. This is horrible, you know, to die like this. And, I faced the judge. And guess what? They were right. The judge was bought and paid for. And what happened? He found me guilty of everything. And? And he said that every person that took part of the truck convoy is a criminal as well. And because I encourage them, I'm a criminal as well. I have been found guilty of terrorism.
I have been found guilty of inciting mischief. He found me guilty of breach of federal disorder. I faced decades of imprisonment. So that was, I think that was March, or May of last year. And, we appealed it. So so this is not the end of the story. And I've decided to do what I always do. I started to talk as hard as possible. I activated every friend I knew, every person that was interested in my story before, and I begged them to help me. Please spread the word around. Please let the people know that Artur Plask is still fighting, and he's not taking any. I'm not bowing. And I might die. So this is your, last opportunity to interview me. So I did interviews after interviews after interviews, and the American politicians got involved.
And they passed a resolution in Ohio, for example, to put Canada on a watch list as one of the nations that persecutes Christians. It was unbelievable. Congress people started to talk. Senators started to talk. Put pressure on Chen puts a big light on Canada. On Trudeau. I became an American hero, literally. And, I got a standing ovation in, American, capital, like, standing ovation. I just came back from Washington DC. Had a meeting with senators, congresspeople. I was treated like an American hero. It was incredible. Everywhere I go right now, I got invited to Republican party conventions and stuff like this. So they helped me. They activated whatever they could, and they, unleashed this, you know, rage, for justice against this injustice.
And, I faced the sentence in September last year. Yep. I received the last phone call from the fixers and they said, it's all arranged. Pack your bags. You're not coming out. You're going to prison. So I said my goodbyes to my wife. The whole family came, whole church. Hundreds of people showed up at the courts. We filled the courts inside, outside. It was incredible. And you know what I did? I summarized everything that I did so far that enraged the government, and I said it again. On live television, on cameras, to the media, live streaming, I said everything I could think of that they were upset with me. And I said, if I am to go down, I'll go down with a big splash.
And I said, I want you to know, I want the whole world to know, I'm not sorry for what I did. I'm super proud of what I did. And I encourage everyone, every man, every woman on earth to do the same thing. Rise up, stand up and do not be afraid. And if this is my goodbye, say goodbye and do the right thing. And I walk into the courtroom. Packed house, media, everyone was there. Gordon Krenke comes in and says, I can lock you. Oh, and by the way, after my after me being found guilty, they withdraw the terrorism charge. So they took me to the ringer and convicted me. And then pulled up. And then a month later, they withdraw the terrorism charge because we challenge validity, constitutional validity of this charge. So that scared them and they withdraw it, but they kept the other ones. And I faced at that time, I I faced 12 and a half years of imprisonment for my 19 minute sermon to the truckers.
When I said to the Canadian people, stand for God instead, give my rights, but do it peacefully. No guns, no swords, do it this solidarity style. And, he looked at me and says, I can send you to prison for 12 twelve and a half years. The lawyers were going back and forth and then he stops everything. I've never seen something like this before. I'm telling you, this is like a Hollywood movie. He stops everything and says I have to go and I have to consult this with others. He leaves us there in a court with all the media, with packed house, with lawyers, Crown prosecutors, the whole 9 yards, and he goes.
We don't know who he consulted with. We don't know who he called or who was in that room. He comes back and says time served, you're free to go. I was sentenced to 61 days of The days is the days you've already served in jail. But I already served in solitary confinement which is like one and a half days. Okay. And I walked out. Immediately, we have appealed the decision and was accepted. And September 10th is my appeal before the court of appealings. Is September 10th? Yes. And there's more. They really ticked me off at this moment. So I filed the biggest lawsuit in the history of this country. I'm suing attorney general of Canada. I'm suing chief of police. I'm suing Calgary police officers. I'm suing RCMP.
I'm suing prison. We served the prison. 2 days later, the prison, the director of prison resigned. We already took down the premier of Alberta, resigned. We took down the minister of justice.
[02:57:16] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
I was voted out. We took down You're suing them all for the unlawful detention, unlawful arrest, unlawful behavior, unlawful imprisonment? More more than that. If this was just for the monetary compensation,
[02:57:28] Artur Pawlowski:
they would not be scared. I'm alleging conspiracy to commit crime. What I'm doing is it's a lot more bigger. That's why they're so scared, because what I'm doing is I'm tying all those organizations together, and I'm alleging that they all comply criminally against me and my family. And, I'm going after Alberta Health Services. I'm going after hundreds of people within the government, and I'm telling you they're already freaking out. They hired the most expensive and vicious lawyers in the country and guess what they did? They all are conspiring together, unifying together to fight me. So next month we are in a court because they are saying that this is outrageous, it should not happen, and they're all coming together with the same, doc documents proving my point that they all conspired against me in the first place. I'm super super happy about this because, people, I and I received a phone call from the government saying, this will cost you 1,000,000 of dollars and we will drag this for 10 years. I said, listen. Tell your bosses this. You're dealing with Artur Polovsky and I'll fight you until Jesus comes back. And I don't care how much this will cost. I'll dedicate my rest of my life fighting you.
And I I want you to know, I'll never stop until this is solved. Why? Because Canadian people deserve to know who did this to them and why. And civil litigation gives me more power than a criminal litigation because now I can Actually look at every storm. I can look at everywhere.
[02:59:09] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
And that's what they're afraid of. Because you can you can get all their communications. That's right. That's what I'm after. System. You wanna see who was who was talking to who, what emails were sent. And the people really understand the levels that because there was total cons the government's conspired well 100%. To oppress people, to essentially kill people 100%. During the pandemic, to not give them the right medication to scare and intimidate them. And I guess you will one of the people in the way in Canada of that.
[02:59:39] Artur Pawlowski:
So, this lawsuit is giving me the ability to,
[02:59:47] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
get get the truth out. That's what I'm after. Even if That's what you hope if you're still here off or if I'm honest.
[02:59:53] Artur Pawlowski:
You know, if, if this cost me let's say this will cost me $2,000,000 and of course I cannot do this by myself, but, people You have support here? People chip in here and there. Still through Rebel? No. No. No. No. So you're gonna you you have people Privately. Privately trying to raise the funds. I'm doing shows. I'm talking about it. People can go to streetchurch.ca. There is legal fight. Here's an interesting part of this. I did a press conference with our lawyers, and every media outlet showed up. I mean, everyone. Everyone was there. And they listened to the allegations. They saw the documents, freaked them out so much that they put a cap on the story. No mainstream media will talk about this. They will talk about other litigations. No problem. But this this particular one scared them so much because this is not simply, you've done wrong. I want money because you hurt me. Now you're gonna pay. That's not what I'm after. I'm after information.
Again, remember we started this interview. Information is more valuable than money. Because if you have the right information, you can change a nation. You can put people in prison if you have the right information. I'm looking for the information, and I'm willing to give that information to the Canadian people. So they would know who did this to them and most importantly, why this was unleashed on them. I know of bribery. I know whether those people received some trick trinkets. And, imagine all those different, departments communicating, following me. I had police helicopters following me. I had undercover police following me. All of them, they were not doing this because they woke up in the morning and said, well, I miss Arthur Pawlowski's face. Someone was sending them there.
And the health inspectors and the politicians, the memos, the the the letters, the phone calls, texts, I will have access to all of that. Imagine in my hands, in knowing me now, I'm fighting those doubles for 19 years, and they've they've tried everything to stop me. Imagine if I get this information, what is going to happen? Imagine if a man like me gets this information. I'm going to unleash that on everyone. Do you think they're gonna allow you to get that information? Well, they still can assassinate me, I guess. They still can try that. They've tried it before, but so far so good. God, obviously has a plan for my life. He's not allowing them. I mean, I had pistols. I had knives. I had gangsters. I had I was in their custody in solitary confinement. Once they left the doors open and, I, I was already because I was so much liked in prison, the prisoners came to me and said, if this happens, watch because they will come. They will come to hurt you. And don't go with them to washroom. If they push you, fight to the dead because they're going to really hurt you or kill you or rape you. So I already knew this and, I had a pencil.
So I took a pencil with me and I was in a concrete cell and they opened the door and the officer picked, if you know where I am, and they left the door open. I mean this never happens, never happens. Door never left is left open and officer picking and leaving it open. So I, I said my goodbyes and submitted myself to the loving hands of my god. And I said, whoever comes, dies first. Whoever comes first through those doors is the first one to go. And who knows, with my training, ma'am, maybe I'll be able to take another one or maybe another one. I I I used to be pretty good at what I was doing. So I was ready. I was ready to fight to the death. And then officer picked again and saw me, like, I'm ready.
Like, I'm ready. And, you know, pencil sticking. Like, I'm ready. And then they closed the door. So they and then, of course, I talked about this the moment I was allowed to to get a phone call. So every single day that I was allowed, but sometimes they kept me for a long time not allowing me to leave the the solitary. But every time I had a phone, every time, every I'll tell everyone and my wife was recording. As possible. My son was recording every conversation. And I said, publish it. Yeah. But they will hurt you. I don't care. Publish it. Let the whole world knows what is happening to me. That's the only that's the only hope we have. And the more pressure, the better, and that was that was all over the place. And here I am, and you you see me scared, terrified, you know, watching, you know, my back.
If they wanna kill you, they will kill you. There's no way to stop an assassination unless God stops it. I mean, no one is safe. President of United States of America is not safe. If you really wanna take someone down, you will take the person down if you want to. So I had so many meetings with, with prime minister, and and, I'm telling you, it's very easy. If you wanna hurt another human being, it's very easy. So my only hope is the truth, standing for the truth, let the truth be my shield, my covering, sticking with God is my only option. And keep pushing, keep fighting.
[03:05:34] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Where can people watch this, continue to follow you to see what happens next, Harf?
[03:05:39] Artur Pawlowski:
Well the book is coming out and in the book, the book is already with the publisher. So even if they would take me down now and it's already there, it's being published, I'm naming them. I'm telling about the coercion. I'm telling about the conversations with politicians, including the premier. The offers that they had, everything is there. What they did to me in prison, the background story of the get out video and, you know, different arrests, track convo, my involvement, my intentions. You know, as much as I could. I mean, it would have to be thousands of pages. It will be about 400 pages book. Lions do not bow. So that's coming out, end of August, beginning of September.
And if you wanna follow our story, go to streetchurch.ca. I'm all over the social media. They took my big multimillion, you know, views channel, YouTube. They killed it. And I'm the most shadow banned in Canada right now. It's insane. It's totally insane. But you still can see it, it's just it will not show me that you have seen it. So I can have 10,000 views and the next day a 100, you know, to to play those games with me. But I'm on X, I'm on Facebook still, Rumble, Facebook, you know. You're back in court in September? I'm back in court this month, next month. Every month? And September is my appeal.
So that will be done by the panel of 3 judges, and they will look into this case again. I am very confident that I'm going to win this again because this was the first time in the history of Canada that the pastor's sermon was on trial. You know, I have not said a word in court. I was not allowed to say a word. I'm sitting over there, and there is a crown prosecutors and special unit for crown prosecutors from, this unit is a unit that does gangs, mafia, you know, organized crime. It's a special formed unit in the province of Alberta. Stephen Johnstone is part of that unit. So they, they were going back and forth and my sermon, word by word, was on trial. And I'm sitting over there as accused facing 12 and a half years, Actually, at that time it was more because the terrorism was still attached to it.
And they're arguing what I meant when I said this. So they're talking about The meaning of Right. Also, he said, solidarity. What did he mean? Obviously, your morons, I meant what I've seen when I was growing up. Solidarity movements that I saw with my own eyes. The civil disobedience, uprising, peaceful demonstrations of the Polish people. No, no, no, no. He meant violent. I said during my sermon that this is our Alamo. So my lawyer said rightly so that what I meant, this is the fight that we're willing to pay the ultimate price for the children to die if needs be. No, no, no, no. He was willing to murder. He was willing to kill people. Yeah. They wanna change the context of what you said. Right? So this has never been done before. I was the first case that my words, my sermon was on trial back and forth and I was convicted of everything.
And, I know that the real judges are going to look into this and they'll say, no, this is insane. Because if I'm convicted, then everyone You're not convicted. Is not safe in this country, including politicians. Politicians are yapping all the time and, they can be liable right now for everything they are saying because it can be, inciting mischief. Because what is inciting mischief? I have become the 1st Canadian ever to be convicted of this crime. Has never been done before. Inciting mischief is like when you have nothing. Mischief is when you have nothing. Me anything. But inciting, like, how you incite mischief.
[03:09:58] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Do you know what I do you know what I think after sitting on this discussion with you? Because I was arrested this week. I think I'm lucky I got my passport back today, and I just wanna get out of Canada. I'm gone, bruv. I'm out of here, mate. Because I I when I got arrested this week, they said I may be here months and I didn't really I just but after hearing your story, Tamara Leach's story, after hearing the the absolute abuse of power for people who simply exercise their free speech and their democratic freedoms.
And to hear what people have gone through, Canada is a communist hellhole. Yeah. It is. 2 people around the world realize this. But in fact, it's not just Canada. The abuse do you know what? Everything we've sat and discussed, everything you've been through, I can mirror it. From the solitary confinement to the abuse of power, to the threats, to the intimidation, to all these things, and I think it's a very easy that you find people that just stand in the face of it. I'm so glad I've had the opportunity to relay your message and for people to understand because when I saw you stand up in church that day, I didn't realize your backstory to understand why you're the man that's continued to stand. Fascinating discussion, passed it off, and then I wish you luck. But more than anything, I wish you safety. I think you're gonna need it in this head on collision.
[03:11:18] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. I mean, I I I don't have worry. I think that I think that we have been born for such a time as this. I think that we have been groomed by God himself for such a time as this. I think that we have been prepared. You see me growing up in hell and seeing the abuse of power and and trying to survive absolute insanity because every day was, was chasing after necessities of life. Trying I'll never forget the lineups. There was a rumor. As a kid, I remember there was a rumor that there is coffee that will come to the store in 3 days. So my parents sent me from school, says, you gotta stand in lineup for 3 days 3 nights, and and we're going to exchange for 1 kilo of coffee because of a rumor that coffee might come. It didn't show up. We didn't know if it's going to come, but there is a potential it's going to come. You know, a sugar. The government was telling you how much sugar you can buy a month. Government was telling you. So when you grow up in hell, and I grew up in a very rough neighborhood, very rough.
Coal miners, kids, very tough. You had to be tough to survive. There are fights all the time. And and, when you're growing up in that kind of environment and you survive, and then, of course, Greece, very hard labor, learning language and starting business in a hostile environment, in a very difficult environment with very corrupted politicians and police officers. Police officers were coming to my home for envelopes filled with cash, like, on a regular basis. And I survived that, and then we finally escaped Canada for our heaven, for peace, you know, for freedom, for bread. And, all those things that, happened, you know, when we were growing up, now we can use. You know, I'll survive. People like me will survive what's coming. Economy's coming down. Fiat currency's coming down.
Economy's collapse. Bubble's gonna break. And and people like me, I I I know how to survive in poverty. I know how to survive when you need to barter and and look for things and and get things done. Most of the people are not equipped to survive what's coming. I have friends everywhere now, in government, in police. I have friends in banking system. I hear things. Things are coming to me. And, lots of people came to realize that I was right from the very beginning. Now they're hurting. The government that's supposed to protect them is destroying them. So I think that all of this happened, those evil, these crazy things that happened to us, I think it happened for a purpose, for a bigger purpose than just a cool story.
That's how you can sit and say I was arrested so many times or face courts. No. That's not the story. The story is now I have the answers. I know how to fix the system. I can tell you what to do with homelessness. I can tell you where the problem with the banking system is. I can tell you that there is a problem with education. We were indoctrinated as kids. What we are facing right now is pure indoctrination, brainwashing of our young generation. I can talk about politics because I hang around with politicians all my life. I can tell you their tricks. I can tell you that what they say to you in front of the camera is not what really happens.
I can educate you, tell you what to look for, how the system how how corrupted is the system. Because you gotta know you have to know that there is a problem before you can fix the problem. It's like it's like a doctor. And the doctor looks at you and says, Sir, you have cancer. And in order for you to survive this, in order for us to save you, we need to cut it out. It's a bloody business. You gotta open the patient. You gotta take part of you out and then you gotta sew it back. There is a scar. There is pain, but it's necessary. This pain is necessary to save you. Canada has cancer.
Globe has cancer. Many of our beloved nations, there is a cancer in the lungs, and it's painful, but we gotta cut it out. It will cause even more pain, but it has to happen in order to to heal the lung. So I think what happened to you, you you know intimately the level of corruption. You know you did not read the book. You did not, watch a Hollywood production. You know. I know. If I was ever given an opportunity of, any political power, I'd turn Alberta into Saudi Arabia. It will be the richest province on earth because I know how to do it. I know where the problem is.
Because there's enough money in the coffer. The problem is they're wasting it left and right. They're they're robbing us. They're stealing from us. They gotta cut the beast down. They gotta shave this massive government leech that is sucking the blood of the people and, trim it. The government should never be involved in our affairs. The government should be involved in, you know, building roads and looking for other infrastructure. All those other things always historically were the church's business, community's business. What is the role of the government in my bed?
They want a role in everything now. Right? They're involved in everything because you gotta remember, and we started this interview with this, that this is the biggest attack on the middle class ever attempted in the history of mankind. And this is an an attack not on our rights only but on everything. They're turning us into slaves, literally. And slave has no say. Slave is to obey their masters. They're turning us, all of us, into 2 categories of people, super powerful and enslaved. And if you're okay with that, then I rest my case. Be a good slave and work for, you know, Trudeau's or Biden's or Obama's or whatever the snake there is. But I was born to be free. I don't want If you're not okay with that, be inspired.
Get ready. Yeah. And the last thing I wanna tell you is, look at me, I'm a nobody in the eyes of man, but I'm a somebody in the eyes of God. God is raising faceless, nameless nobodies in the eyes of man that will become somebodies. In the eyes of God, if a man like me with a broken English sometimes I'm thinking like, did I say this word right or I'm inventing new words? It's poor English. If a man like me can do it, I'm telling you, you can do it as well. And that's the story. The story of Artur Polarsky is not the story, look what horrible things the government did to him, but look what amazing things God has done for him. After everything they've done to me, I'm a happy camper, got 3 children, wife, I travel, I inspire, I speak, I have a church, I feed thousands of people, I never stop.
[03:18:52] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
Well, that's a beautiful ending to that podcast. Alpha, it's been inspiring, man. It's been a an in a fascinating story. If you're watching this, you're one of the people that give me the opportunity to sit here and hear these stories, I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity. And I think it's a great opportunity to hear people. Joe, you can hear so much common with with every story that we're telling and hearing from. It's happening across the world, in every European country, in every Western nation. The oppression, the attacks, it's all the same. And it relates to your upbringing of communism and slavery. So we need to fight it. But thank you again for your time, pastor. Thank you. I wish you luck, man. Thank you. God bless you, man. Stay strong. You too, brother. Well, I know you ain't gonna back down. It's not like I need to say keep keep fighting. I don't need to say it. I know I don't.
[03:19:42] Artur Pawlowski:
Yeah. We are we are lions. Lions do not bow before the hyenas. We eat them for breakfast. Remember that. Do you hear that, Trudeau? Thank you, Bob. Thank you. God bless you, Tom. Cheers. Thank you. Carry
[03:19:54] Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧:
on watching for more interesting guests. I'll talk to anyone. I'll debate anyone. I'll hear anyone's story. If you want to help me along that way, it's not free. I need your support. If you can support my family, that gives me my peace of mind. It means I can continue to do the work I do. I appreciate every bit of support as do my children. It gives me the ability to fly them out here to see me so I can stay in constant contact with them. I'm the platform and I'm censored, so I need you. I need you to share this content. And make sure you stay tuned for upcoming weekly guests, interesting guests, exciting guests. I'm Tom Robson, and this has been my podcast, Silence.
Introduction and Background
COVID-19 and Government Overreach
Polish History and Fight for Freedom
Life Under Communism
Solidarity Movement and Resistance
Journey to Canada
Helping the Homeless and Legal Battles
COVID-19 Pandemic and Legal Challenges
Truck Convoy and Arrest
Imprisonment and Influence in Jail
Lawsuit and Fight for Justice
Reflections and Future Plans
